Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Jon Auer wrote: http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog Also join Cisco-NSP if you are interested in Cisco gear: http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp And the Outages list occasionally informative: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages Ditto on both lists. I've been on them both for a few months now and have found them very helpful. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
I think highly of Matt's advise when it comes to matters like this, so Juniper it is! (I refuse to buy anything Cisco.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: mlio...@r337.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:12 AM To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Hey Matt, You're back? Or do you just need a break from changing diapers? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of mlio...@r337.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:13 AM To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Matt Where could one subscribe to such a list? NaNog List Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of mlio...@r337.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:13 AM To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
http://nanog.org/mailinglist/ Gino Villarini wrote: Matt Where could one subscribe to such a list? NaNog List Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of mlio...@r337.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:13 AM To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Gino...Google is your friend...grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Matt Where could one subscribe to such a list? NaNog List Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of mlio...@r337.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:13 AM To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog Also join Cisco-NSP if you are interested in Cisco gear: http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp And the Outages list occasionally informative: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Matt Where could one subscribe to such a list? NaNog List Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of mlio...@r337.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:13 AM To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Over the years, I've done a lot of work for Fortune 1000 companies. One time, as an alternative to Cisco, I suggested another product and was laughed out of the room. -RickG On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM, mlio...@r337.com wrote: All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Was it Netgear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:11 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Over the years, I've done a lot of work for Fortune 1000 companies. One time, as an alternative to Cisco, I suggested another product and was laughed out of the room. -RickG On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM, mlio...@r337.com wrote: All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Isn't there an old saying that goes something like; whether it works or not, nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Over the years, I've done a lot of work for Fortune 1000 companies. One time, as an alternative to Cisco, I suggested another product and was laughed out of the room. -RickG On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM, mlio...@r337.com wrote: All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
mikrotik Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Over the years, I've done a lot of work for Fortune 1000 companies. One time, as an alternative to Cisco, I suggested another product and was laughed out of the room. -RickG On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM, mlio...@r337.com wrote: All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Mike, If you can set your application up to be more switching than routing based you could consider the new Arista switches. Very high 10 GbE port density with low cost. You don't specify what kind of routing you are doing but if it is BGP they have that in Beta now. I have no idea what the routing throughput numbers will be. I don't have any personal experience or financial interest in the company. http://www.aristanetworks.com/en/Index Best, leb At 12:22 PM -0500 4/9/09, Mike Hammett wrote: Any recommendations for routers that have multiple 10 GigE interfaces? I believe the PowerRouter can only do 3 and I'm looking for at least 4, even up to 8 or 10. I didn't see anything from ImageStream that went that high. I don't need to do 100 Gigs of throughput, but if you need 1 GigE of commit, you really need a 10 GigE for bursting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
No but they can go broke :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Isn't there an old saying that goes something like; whether it works or not, nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Over the years, I've done a lot of work for Fortune 1000 companies. One time, as an alternative to Cisco, I suggested another product and was laughed out of the room. -RickG On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM, mlio...@r337.com wrote: All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
No, it was Imagestream. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Was it Netgear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:11 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Over the years, I've done a lot of work for Fortune 1000 companies. One time, as an alternative to Cisco, I suggested another product and was laughed out of the room. -RickG On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM, mlio...@r337.com wrote: All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Question that comes to mind, What size processor or machine is needed to do 10GigE's? Mike Hammett wrote: Any recommendations for routers that have multiple 10 GigE interfaces? I believe the PowerRouter can only do 3 and I'm looking for at least 4, even up to 8 or 10. I didn't see anything from ImageStream that went that high. I don't need to do 100 Gigs of throughput, but if you need 1 GigE of commit, you really need a 10 GigE for bursting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Ya... I'm not sure an X86 based system is going to handle 10 GigE x 4 you are probably looking at Cisco, etc. where the switching can happen in dedicated hardware rather than software. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: Question that comes to mind, What size processor or machine is needed to do 10GigE's? Mike Hammett wrote: Any recommendations for routers that have multiple 10 GigE interfaces? I believe the PowerRouter can only do 3 and I'm looking for at least 4, even up to 8 or 10. I didn't see anything from ImageStream that went that high. I don't need to do 100 Gigs of throughput, but if you need 1 GigE of commit, you really need a 10 GigE for bursting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Hi Mike, Depends on packet size. We have 10 Gig cards that we can put in our routers, but we can't run one full out yet. About the best we've seen in the lab is 7 Gigs full duplex, in optimal conditions. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 10 GigE Any recommendations for routers that have multiple 10 GigE interfaces? I believe the PowerRouter can only do 3 and I'm looking for at least 4, even up to 8 or 10. I didn't see anything from ImageStream that went that high. I don't need to do 100 Gigs of throughput, but if you need 1 GigE of commit, you really need a 10 GigE for bursting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
You aren't going to find any PC based system able to accomplish that. Its because of the Bus speed limits. Also don't plan on doing Bandwdith management on it with connections of dissimlar speed, if selecting X86 type systems because of the clock speed limit. Using NAPI, Quad processor, and PCI-Express, systems can support a 10GB card, and be capable of reaching 10Gig throughput. But that is totally pushing the technology to its max. You may find some interesting reading exploring Vyatta's trials w/ 10GB. Note that once you are at teh GB range for a port, there becomes an advantage to have a processor dedicated for each bus (card slot). It can be misleading because its not jsut teh PCI-E bus speed but also of Ram and CPU. If cost is an issue, it may still be possible to achieve what you want understanding that everybody won't be using the full speed at the same time. For example, you could install qty4 10GB cards, with the understanding that you'd probably only get 2GB max out of each card if they were all active at once, but you could burst higher when others weren't in use. You could make that PC for $1000 + NIC card cost, in a 3U case. Beats spending $100K on a Cisco, unless you truely need 10GB speeds. You also may want to consider a split archetecture design. For example, to buy a lower cost 10 Gb multi-port Switch, and then branch off of it to two seperate routers, to split the router load, to two high end PC boxes.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Question that comes to mind, What size processor or machine is needed to do 10GigE's? Mike Hammett wrote: Any recommendations for routers that have multiple 10 GigE interfaces? I believe the PowerRouter can only do 3 and I'm looking for at least 4, even up to 8 or 10. I didn't see anything from ImageStream that went that high. I don't need to do 100 Gigs of throughput, but if you need 1 GigE of commit, you really need a 10 GigE for bursting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
And that is not likely an Imagestream specific limit, but a general PC archetecture limit. A lot of high end gear will max out by then or before. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Hi Mike, Depends on packet size. We have 10 Gig cards that we can put in our routers, but we can't run one full out yet. About the best we've seen in the lab is 7 Gigs full duplex, in optimal conditions. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 10 GigE Any recommendations for routers that have multiple 10 GigE interfaces? I believe the PowerRouter can only do 3 and I'm looking for at least 4, even up to 8 or 10. I didn't see anything from ImageStream that went that high. I don't need to do 100 Gigs of throughput, but if you need 1 GigE of commit, you really need a 10 GigE for bursting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Hi Tom, We think we will eventually be able to saturate a 10 Gig link (PCIe), but you aren't going to go much higher than that. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE And that is not likely an Imagestream specific limit, but a general PC archetecture limit. A lot of high end gear will max out by then or before. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Hi Mike, Depends on packet size. We have 10 Gig cards that we can put in our routers, but we can't run one full out yet. About the best we've seen in the lab is 7 Gigs full duplex, in optimal conditions. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 10 GigE Any recommendations for routers that have multiple 10 GigE interfaces? I believe the PowerRouter can only do 3 and I'm looking for at least 4, even up to 8 or 10. I didn't see anything from ImageStream that went that high. I don't need to do 100 Gigs of throughput, but if you need 1 GigE of commit, you really need a 10 GigE for bursting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Travis Johnson wrote: Ya... I'm not sure an X86 based system is going to handle 10 GigE x 4 you are probably looking at Cisco, etc. where the switching can happen in dedicated hardware rather than software. I'd take a serious look at Juniper. e.g. http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/ All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
