Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution
This is what I use for the powersupply/charger http://batterytender.com/product_info.php?products_id=9osCsid=e1daeca8cf776 f6910ccb22e8bf49e49 been running fine since last summer, don't ever have to do anything to them just set and forget. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution That sounds great. What part numbers do you use? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution I am starting to put everything on a 24v setup of the APC 7/13ah batteries with a Battery Tender (batterytender.com) The battery tender acts like a constant power source and charge controller all in one. This works really well as I can set up a site for around $175 and get 6-24 hours runtime depending on what I have hooked to it. Way better than any UPS. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A good battery solution Any ideas on an inexpensive but effective battery solution for remote tower location... would like to keep equipment powered 6-8 hours w/o electric. Equipment includes 1 mikrotik, 1 trango Link45 and 1 trango M900AP Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution
How do you know when power is out? How do you know how much run-time you have left? Travis Scott Reed wrote: Because for the cost I get 14 hours on my MeanWell/battery combination and about 4 on a UPS with the same batteries. UPS/inverter uses a lot of the power to make the 120VAC. Then I need a power supply to make it 24VDC, which wastes more. Using the MeanWell, or the unit Kurt mentions, allows 1 power supply to provide the DC I need without wasteful conversions. The monitoring is nice and I have that at a couple of sites, but this has been working great for me. Travis Johnson wrote: Why not use an actual APC UPS and extra batteries? That way you can monitor the power, have an estimate of run-time when the power goes out, and get email alerts. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I am starting to put everything on a 24v setup of the APC 7/13ah batteries with a Battery Tender (batterytender.com) The battery tender acts like a constant power source and charge controller all in one. This works really well as I can set up a site for around $175 and get 6-24 hours runtime depending on what I have hooked to it. Way better than any UPS. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A good battery solution Any ideas on an inexpensive but effective battery solution for remote tower location... would like to keep equipment powered 6-8 hours w/o electric. Equipment includes 1 mikrotik, 1 trango Link45 and 1 trango M900AP Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution
MeanWell AD-155B (24VDC) or AD155C(48VDC) and some batteries from Interstate Battery. I use the batteries that would go in a APC 1400, not sure of the rating right now. With a AD-155B I run 3 RB333s 2 radios per board. 1 XR5, 1 XR2. 1 XR5, 1 XR2. 1XR5, 1 SR9. Ran for 14 hours before going live. Ran 8 hours in production. The power came back up after 8, so don't know how long it would have run. Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Any ideas on an inexpensive but effective battery solution for remote tower location... would like to keep equipment powered 6-8 hours w/o electric. Equipment includes 1 mikrotik, 1 trango Link45 and 1 trango M900AP Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution
This was my first thought how do you add the extra batteries though, I read that it is not good to daisy chain the ups units together. And the cost of batteries that support external batteries aren't cheap. Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions (800) 638-2614 http://www.cnetworksolutions.com E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. === - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu Apr 24 22:23:01 2008 Subject: Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution Why not use an actual APC UPS and extra batteries? That way you can monitor the power, have an estimate of run-time when the power goes out, and get email alerts. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I am starting to put everything on a 24v setup of the APC 7/13ah batteries with a Battery Tender (batterytender.com) The battery tender acts like a constant power source and charge controller all in one. This works really well as I can set up a site for around $175 and get 6-24 hours runtime depending on what I have hooked to it. Way better than any UPS. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A good battery solution Any ideas on an inexpensive but effective battery solution for remote tower location... would like to keep equipment powered 6-8 hours w/o electric. Equipment includes 1 mikrotik, 1 trango Link45 and 1 trango M900AP Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution
Hi, We do the same, but we use AGM batteries. We found the Walmart (or any deep cycle battery) requires too much maintenance. The water levels usually needed re-filled every 3-4 months. We found 110aH (real aH, not the over-rated numbers on the deep cycle batteries) AGM on ebay for $100 each. They are maintenance free, should last 8-10 years, and can withstand temperature swings much better. These are heavy duty, UPS class batteries. Each battery weighs 95 pounds and isn't any bigger than a normal car battery. Travis Microserv Wallace L. Walcher wrote: We purchase used APC UPS's on Ebay for around $50. Search for Item 160231636080 to see an example. We remove the batteries that come with it (if there are any). We create a couple of cables to go from the UPS battery inputs to the external battery pack that we assemble. For the external battery pack, we purchase Deep Cycle (Trolling, not Starting) batteries from Sams Club or Wal-Mart. We usually get the 125 amp hour ones. Since the UPS's are 24 volt, you need to purchase them in groups of two, since the batteries are 12 volt. These are not maintenance free, like AGM batteries, but that also cost less than 1/2 of AGM. We create cables to go from the positive terminal of one battery to the negative terminal of the second battery. This creates a 24 volt battery pack. Then you run a cable from the open positive terminal of the battery pack to the positive connection on the UPS. Same with the negative side. So, for less than $300, you have a 24volt, 125 amp hour UPS system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A good battery solution Any ideas on an inexpensive but effective battery solution for remote tower location... would like to keep equipment powered 6-8 hours w/o electric. Equipment includes 1 mikrotik, 1 trango Link45 and 1 trango M900AP Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution
This is what I do, but I will add that we get the APC SmartUPS models that can take an SNMP card. The SU700 or SU1000. We put an AP9617 in it (has more features than the AP9605). This emails you to notify you of a power event. Then you have your *howevermany* hours to deal with the outage. You can also reboot the site remotely. Where we have alot of equipment we'll add a PDU to be able to power off items selectively instead of the whole site. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution Hi, We do the same, but we use AGM batteries. We found the Walmart (or any deep cycle battery) requires too much maintenance. The water levels usually needed re-filled every 3-4 months. We found 110aH (real aH, not the over-rated numbers on the deep cycle batteries) AGM on ebay for $100 each. They are maintenance free, should last 8-10 years, and can withstand temperature swings much better. These are heavy duty, UPS class batteries. Each battery weighs 95 pounds and isn't any bigger than a normal car battery. Travis Microserv Wallace L. Walcher wrote: We purchase used APC UPS's on Ebay for around $50. Search for Item 160231636080 to see an example. We remove the batteries that come with it (if there are any). We create a couple of cables to go from the UPS battery inputs to the external battery pack that we assemble. For the external battery pack, we purchase Deep Cycle (Trolling, not Starting) batteries from Sams Club or Wal-Mart. We usually get the 125 amp hour ones. Since the UPS's are 24 volt, you need to purchase them in groups of two, since the batteries are 12 volt. These are not maintenance free, like AGM batteries, but that also cost less than 1/2 of AGM. We create cables to go from the positive terminal of one battery to the negative terminal of the second battery. This creates a 24 volt battery pack. Then you run a cable from the open positive terminal of the battery pack to the positive connection on the UPS. Same with the negative side. So, for less than $300, you have a 24volt, 125 amp hour UPS system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A good battery solution Any ideas on an inexpensive but effective battery solution for remote tower location... would like to keep equipment powered 6-8 hours w/o electric. Equipment includes 1 mikrotik, 1 trango Link45 and 1 trango M900AP Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution
We use decent marine deep cycle batteries with an Iota charger. A large part of battery life is the quality of the charger. Just using DC for all the power needs, so don't need the extra load of inverting/transforming to get back to dc. The way to go if you are able to. The RB333 has built in voltage monitoring available via snmp. Steve -- Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Any ideas on an inexpensive but effective battery solution for remote tower location... would like to keep equipment powered 6-8 hours w/o electric. Equipment includes 1 mikrotik, 1 trango Link45 and 1 trango M900AP Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
