Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
According to Faisal's calculations the other day, $0.05/GB works out to $23 and some change per fully utilized mbit/s. That's actually pretty poor for someone with Amazon's scale. $0.01/GB should still earn a healthy profit for someone like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Frank Crawford" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:42 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > I want a piece of the 5 cent a Gig bandwidth, if I don't have to carry > it in a bucket. > > Josh Luthman wrote: >> Ok where's my stupid stick. Some of these people need to be knocked out. >> >> I like this post: >> >> "...and so begins the war... >> between companies like netflix and ISPs. Both making contrary claims on >> the >> cost of bandwidth." >> >> Who knows the price of bandwidth (to the last mile) more - ISPs or >> Netflix? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." >> --- Albert Einstein >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Frank Crawford wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/105483 >>> >>> sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: >>> Hmm great comcast plans on launching there own on demand service now... " >>> http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Comcast-On-Demand-Online-live-next-month-111309.aspx >>> " >>> John Buwa Michiana Wireless >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
*sigh* http://www.ubnt.com/wiki/index.php/FCC - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Michael Baird" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:24 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > Ubiquity does not have any licensed 3.65 gear for the US, they have > XR3/Nano3's but they are for overseas customers. > > They have announced they will be coming out with 3.65/900 mhz airmax > gear 2nd Quarterish next year. > > Regards > Michael Baird >> UBNT has fully licensed and approved 3.65 gear. >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Ralph" >> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:34 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Cc: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and >> youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. >> >> >>> What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not >>> on US channels. What country are you in? >>> >>> On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "MDK" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
XR3s can be used in the US, though you have to get the right card. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Ralph" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:34 PM To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not > on US channels. What country are you in? > > On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "MDK" wrote: > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
I'm a big 802.11 fan, but I'm thinking Moto 900 is really the only way to go until N hits 900 MHz. Just can't get enough capacity in the air any other way. That said, I don't own any Moto. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "jp" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:29 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:15:41AM -0800, MDK wrote: >> In some places, we do 900 gear, and that's still a $300+ install cost. >> Or, >> we eat most of it if the customer will pay a year in advance. 900 is >> reserved to the "absolutely nothing else will work" locations, as it's >> such >> a finicky and persnickety beast.Channel changes due to weather or >> temperature or humidity changes, and all sorts of other grief, as well, >> including a lot of SR9 failures. (use xr9's now) > > You're taking the finicky and persnickety approach to 900. > > We don't have that grief with Alvarion/Trango, and Canopy people > probably don't have the same grief. > > We still reserve 900 as a last option, as it's slower and more expensive > than line-of-sight options. > > > >> >> -- >> From: "jp" >> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... >> increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. >> >> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote: >> >> I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good >> >> rates. >> >> >> >> I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give >> >> me >> >> a >> >> break for doubling my commit. >> > >> > Continued business with you should be important. If you offer to pay >> > the >> > same and get more bandwidth, that should work for everyone. >> > >> >> We're also looking at deploying either Ubnt's M based equipment or >> >> someone >> >> else's if anyone ever comes up with something workable and affordable, >> >> as >> >> an >> >> addition to our already deployed network. >> > >> > I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp >> > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work >> > around in that the automatic distance setting does not work, you need >> > to >> > manually set it, plus 15%. I can get 100mbit no problem with 20mhz >> > spectrum. >> > >> > This is serious praise, as I generally prefer midrange or higher end >> > stuff like Alvarion, Trango, and I generally have serious reservations >> > about the cheap stuff for honest calculated reasons. >> > >> >> We initially had a bandwidth cost of of about $6/customer, it reached >> >> a >> >> low >> >> of about $3.3 a year or two after starting, and now it's back up to a >> >> little >> >> less than $5 / customer. We've raised our rates 50 cents, cut our >> >> administrative costs by $.70 for most customers by changing to EFT >> >> payments, >> >> and now we're trying to figure out how to keep up with our expected 3X >> >> use >> >> of data transfer and still keep our bandwidth costs within our planned >> >> maximum of $8 over the next 3 years. >> > >> > I've never raised rates in 15 years and use that as a differentiator >> > between us and the standard practices of the duopoly cable/telephone >> > competition. (We keep rates a little higher to begin with) >> > >> >> We have some strategies to help with this, one of them is to offer a >> >> premium >> >> service to residences that has higher than cable or dsl speeds for >> >> around >> >> $225-250 / mo, and it appears we can deliver this to over 90% of our >> >> service >> >> area at a moderate investment. >> >> >> >> Also, we're liscensing up big time for deploying 3.65 in a PtMP scheme >> >> over >> >> a sizeable area, as well. >> >> >> >> About a year ago, my biggest competitor began deploying stuff that >> >> looks >> >> identical to mine, though I know that it's Mikrotik inside instead of >> >> Star-OS. It's time to make that big step up and be ahead again for a >> >> while. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> From: "Butch Evans" >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:44 PM >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased >> >> data >> >> delivery is here to stay. >> >> >> >> >> At 03:09 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: >> >> >> >I've been watching the thread about it with great interest. >> >> >> >Partly >> >> >> >because I was wondering if anyone was going to try "my solution", >> >> >> >which >> >> >> >is, >> >> >> >to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who >> >> >> >want >> >> >> >to >> >> >> >use >> >> >> >these, and have them work fine. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, >>
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
LOL!Never tell that to the guy with the stuff you say doesn't exist and doing the things you say can't be done, 'cause he's already got it and using it. -- From: "Michael Baird" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:24 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > Ubiquity does not have any licensed 3.65 gear for the US, they have > XR3/Nano3's but they are for overseas customers. > > They have announced they will be coming out with 3.65/900 mhz airmax > gear 2nd Quarterish next year. > > Regards > Michael Baird >> UBNT has fully licensed and approved 3.65 gear. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
The XR3 has FCC compliance. * Michael Baird wrote, On 11/14/2009 12:24 AM: > Ubiquity does not have any licensed 3.65 gear for the US, they have > XR3/Nano3's but they are for overseas customers. > > They have announced they will be coming out with 3.65/900 mhz airmax > gear 2nd Quarterish next year. > > Regards > Michael Baird > >> UBNT has fully licensed and approved 3.65 gear. >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Ralph" >> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:34 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Cc: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and >> youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. >> >> >> >>> What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not >>> on US channels. What country are you in? >>> >>> On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "MDK" wrote: >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
Ubiquity does not have any licensed 3.65 gear for the US, they have XR3/Nano3's but they are for overseas customers. They have announced they will be coming out with 3.65/900 mhz airmax gear 2nd Quarterish next year. Regards Michael Baird > UBNT has fully licensed and approved 3.65 gear. > > > > -- > From: "Ralph" > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:34 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and > youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > > >> What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not >> on US channels. What country are you in? >> >> On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "MDK" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
UBNT has fully licensed and approved 3.65 gear. -- From: "Ralph" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:34 PM To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not > on US channels. What country are you in? > > On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "MDK" wrote: > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
I want a piece of the 5 cent a Gig bandwidth, if I don't have to carry it in a bucket. Josh Luthman wrote: > Ok where's my stupid stick. Some of these people need to be knocked out. > > I like this post: > > "...and so begins the war... > between companies like netflix and ISPs. Both making contrary claims on the > cost of bandwidth." > > Who knows the price of bandwidth (to the last mile) more - ISPs or Netflix? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." > --- Albert Einstein > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Frank Crawford wrote: > > >> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/105483 >> >> sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: >> >>> Hmm great comcast plans on launching there own on demand service now... >>> >>> " >>> >> http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Comcast-On-Demand-Online-live-next-month-111309.aspx >> " >> >>> John Buwa >>> Michiana Wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
Ok where's my stupid stick. Some of these people need to be knocked out. I like this post: "...and so begins the war... between companies like netflix and ISPs. Both making contrary claims on the cost of bandwidth." Who knows the price of bandwidth (to the last mile) more - ISPs or Netflix? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Frank Crawford wrote: > http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/105483 > > sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: > > Hmm great comcast plans on launching there own on demand service now... > > > > " > http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Comcast-On-Demand-Online-live-next-month-111309.aspx > " > > > > John Buwa > > Michiana Wireless > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/105483 sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: > Hmm great comcast plans on launching there own on demand service now... > > "http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Comcast-On-Demand-Online-live-next-month-111309.aspx"; > > John Buwa > Michiana Wireless > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
Hmm great comcast plans on launching there own on demand service now... "http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Comcast-On-Demand-Online-live-next-month-111309.aspx"; John Buwa Michiana Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
Not sure what "US channels" are but the xr3 has three channels/sizes within the US spectrum. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Ralph wrote: > What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not > on US channels. What country are you in? > > On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "MDK" wrote: > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not on US channels. What country are you in? On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "MDK" wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
We're currently in major talks also for metered service. It's only about 1-2% that will even be affected but that 1-2% is using about 70-120gb per month of download data PER customer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay. The truth of the matter is this: We are all selling bandwidth for a living. The more I sale - the more I make. I don't want to short anyone and I like the "hogs" on my service and cater to these folks since I make more money per month off these folks. If you aren't "metering" and charging by the gig - - you will miss the boat since you must actually have an all you can eat buffet for $35.00 - - - Good luck! Mac > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of MDK > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:09 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data > delivery is here to stay. > > I've been watching the thread about it with great interest.Partly > because I was wondering if anyone was going to try "my solution", which > is, > to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who want > to use > these, and have them work fine. > > Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, which > puts > video ahead of surfing, etc. > > I'm just talking about how we're going to keep up with the future... > In > 2004 when I started, we used between 1 and and 1.5 gigs of data per > customer > per month. The last time I measured it, which was a year ago, we > were > up to more than 7. > > We're thinking about how we're going to meet the demands of the near > future... not managing a shortage of bandwidth delivery. I'm nowhere > near > as leveraged as some of my competitors in terms of oversubscription, > but > that's not an excuse. > > I'm thinking of planning on a future delivery of 4 to 6 meg per > customer, > oversubscribed to around 4 to 6 to one. > > What is everyone else planning? > > > > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.61/2498 - Release Date: > 11/12/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
I'd agree... 900MHz is in general a little bit more black magic because it is non line of site usually... but comparing Canopy 900MHz and SR9/XR9 900MHz seems to be two different worlds. For equipment, you can do less than $300 per client for Canopy 900MHz... although AP's will be more than the M-tik AP's Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:15:41AM -0800, MDK wrote: > In some places, we do 900 gear, and that's still a $300+ install cost. Or, > we eat most of it if the customer will pay a year in advance. 900 is > reserved to the "absolutely nothing else will work" locations, as it's such > a finicky and persnickety beast.Channel changes due to weather or > temperature or humidity changes, and all sorts of other grief, as well, > including a lot of SR9 failures. (use xr9's now) You're taking the finicky and persnickety approach to 900. We don't have that grief with Alvarion/Trango, and Canopy people probably don't have the same grief. We still reserve 900 as a last option, as it's slower and more expensive than line-of-sight options. > > -- > From: "jp" > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote: > >> I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good > >> rates. > >> > >> I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me > >> a > >> break for doubling my commit. > > > > Continued business with you should be important. If you offer to pay the > > same and get more bandwidth, that should work for everyone. > > > >> We're also looking at deploying either Ubnt's M based equipment or > >> someone > >> else's if anyone ever comes up with something workable and affordable, as > >> an > >> addition to our already deployed network. > > > > I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp > > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work > > around in that the automatic distance setting does not work, you need to > > manually set it, plus 15%. I can get 100mbit no problem with 20mhz > > spectrum. > > > > This is serious praise, as I generally prefer midrange or higher end > > stuff like Alvarion, Trango, and I generally have serious reservations > > about the cheap stuff for honest calculated reasons. > > > >> We initially had a bandwidth cost of of about $6/customer, it reached a > >> low > >> of about $3.3 a year or two after starting, and now it's back up to a > >> little > >> less than $5 / customer. We've raised our rates 50 cents, cut our > >> administrative costs by $.70 for most customers by changing to EFT > >> payments, > >> and now we're trying to figure out how to keep up with our expected 3X > >> use > >> of data transfer and still keep our bandwidth costs within our planned > >> maximum of $8 over the next 3 years. > > > > I've never raised rates in 15 years and use that as a differentiator > > between us and the standard practices of the duopoly cable/telephone > > competition. (We keep rates a little higher to begin with) > > > >> We have some strategies to help with this, one of them is to offer a > >> premium > >> service to residences that has higher than cable or dsl speeds for around > >> $225-250 / mo, and it appears we can deliver this to over 90% of our > >> service > >> area at a moderate investment. > >> > >> Also, we're liscensing up big time for deploying 3.65 in a PtMP scheme > >> over > >> a sizeable area, as well. > >> > >> About a year ago, my biggest competitor began deploying stuff that looks > >> identical to mine, though I know that it's Mikrotik inside instead of > >> Star-OS. It's time to make that big step up and be ahead again for a > >> while. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fr
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:15:41AM -0800, MDK wrote: > In some places, we do 900 gear, and that's still a $300+ install cost. Or, > we eat most of it if the customer will pay a year in advance. 900 is > reserved to the "absolutely nothing else will work" locations, as it's such > a finicky and persnickety beast.Channel changes due to weather or > temperature or humidity changes, and all sorts of other grief, as well, > including a lot of SR9 failures. (use xr9's now) You're taking the finicky and persnickety approach to 900. We don't have that grief with Alvarion/Trango, and Canopy people probably don't have the same grief. We still reserve 900 as a last option, as it's slower and more expensive than line-of-sight options. > > -- > From: "jp" > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... > increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote: > >> I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good > >> rates. > >> > >> I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me > >> a > >> break for doubling my commit. > > > > Continued business with you should be important. If you offer to pay the > > same and get more bandwidth, that should work for everyone. > > > >> We're also looking at deploying either Ubnt's M based equipment or > >> someone > >> else's if anyone ever comes up with something workable and affordable, as > >> an > >> addition to our already deployed network. > > > > I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp > > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work > > around in that the automatic distance setting does not work, you need to > > manually set it, plus 15%. I can get 100mbit no problem with 20mhz > > spectrum. > > > > This is serious praise, as I generally prefer midrange or higher end > > stuff like Alvarion, Trango, and I generally have serious reservations > > about the cheap stuff for honest calculated reasons. > > > >> We initially had a bandwidth cost of of about $6/customer, it reached a > >> low > >> of about $3.3 a year or two after starting, and now it's back up to a > >> little > >> less than $5 / customer. We've raised our rates 50 cents, cut our > >> administrative costs by $.70 for most customers by changing to EFT > >> payments, > >> and now we're trying to figure out how to keep up with our expected 3X > >> use > >> of data transfer and still keep our bandwidth costs within our planned > >> maximum of $8 over the next 3 years. > > > > I've never raised rates in 15 years and use that as a differentiator > > between us and the standard practices of the duopoly cable/telephone > > competition. (We keep rates a little higher to begin with) > > > >> We have some strategies to help with this, one of them is to offer a > >> premium > >> service to residences that has higher than cable or dsl speeds for around > >> $225-250 / mo, and it appears we can deliver this to over 90% of our > >> service > >> area at a moderate investment. > >> > >> Also, we're liscensing up big time for deploying 3.65 in a PtMP scheme > >> over > >> a sizeable area, as well. > >> > >> About a year ago, my biggest competitor began deploying stuff that looks > >> identical to mine, though I know that it's Mikrotik inside instead of > >> Star-OS. It's time to make that big step up and be ahead again for a > >> while. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From: "Butch Evans" > >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:44 PM > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data > >> delivery is here to stay. > >> > >> >> At 03:09 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: > >> >> >I've been watching the thread about it with great interest.Partly > >> >> >because I was wondering if anyone was going to try "my solution", > >> >> >which > >> >> >is, > >> >> >to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who want > >> >> >to > >> >> >use > >> >> >these, and have them work fine. > >> >> > > >> >> >Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, which > >> >> >puts > >> >> >video ahead of surfing, etc. > >> > > >> > This is a good point. The fact is, that a GOOD bandwidth manager will > >> > allow traffic to flow as fast as possible. One thing to bear in mind, > >> > with regard to my QOS system, is that I don't speed limit ANYTHING. I > >> > simply prioritize traffic so that the time sensitive stuff gets out > >> > first. There is no reason to limit even P2P if there is available > >> > bandwidth. Every class that I give that covers QOS, I restate this one > >> > maxim: "QOS is not simply LIMITING bandwidth. Rather, QOS is about > >> > MANAGING the available bandwidth resources." There is an im
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
Well, our rates are 38.50 for 2M/2M and 25.50 for 300kb/300kb I think I have around 10 of the 300kb customers. We had considered dropping rates, but the analysis last year that showed the data use growth convinced us to do otherwise. I'm glad to hear the the M stuff works well.Our first deployment is going to be something other than backhaul in a critical spot. We made that mistake with UBNT's 3.65 and it turned out to be a disaster that ended up costing us something like nearly $4k while we kept our old provider and the new provider online and waited for replacement hardware and the chance to get to our colo site...We then stuck the 3.65 gear into redundant locations, and sure enough, all the original shipment has failed. The replacements have been fine, however. I don't think there'll be many takers for a 10m pipe at 175 and a 20m pipe at 230.However, if we do sell a handful, it will fully fund our much larger commit.I'm pondering the notion of putting a gigabye limit on those accounts, however. We're still a cash based company, as in nothing is financed... Our current offer is that standard broadband installs for $165, which includes 3 months of service. That works out to about a $50 install fee. But we get the majority of our costs to install back immediately.Sometimes it's a little over, depending on what equipment we have to use. In some places, we do 900 gear, and that's still a $300+ install cost. Or, we eat most of it if the customer will pay a year in advance. 900 is reserved to the "absolutely nothing else will work" locations, as it's such a finicky and persnickety beast.Channel changes due to weather or temperature or humidity changes, and all sorts of other grief, as well, including a lot of SR9 failures. (use xr9's now) We've been doing this since we started and this is actually the first time we've been able to actually catch up, in terms of cash flow. Probably because it's been a slow year.Spring was good, which has never happened before, but fall was slow, which again, has bucked the trend. We don't require a long term commitment, we provide low cost pc help and we do "to you" customer service calls to help with routers and stuff gone wrong with your pc.Every customer is entitled to at least one call a year at no charge. Yeah, it's an old fashioned way to do business, but I have no idea what "churn" is, either. I think they mean the guys that died or moved away. I've lost less than 15 customers over the 5.5 years I've been in business, the majority of which died or moved. -- From: "jp" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote: >> I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good >> rates. >> >> I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me >> a >> break for doubling my commit. > > Continued business with you should be important. If you offer to pay the > same and get more bandwidth, that should work for everyone. > >> We're also looking at deploying either Ubnt's M based equipment or >> someone >> else's if anyone ever comes up with something workable and affordable, as >> an >> addition to our already deployed network. > > I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work > around in that the automatic distance setting does not work, you need to > manually set it, plus 15%. I can get 100mbit no problem with 20mhz > spectrum. > > This is serious praise, as I generally prefer midrange or higher end > stuff like Alvarion, Trango, and I generally have serious reservations > about the cheap stuff for honest calculated reasons. > >> We initially had a bandwidth cost of of about $6/customer, it reached a >> low >> of about $3.3 a year or two after starting, and now it's back up to a >> little >> less than $5 / customer. We've raised our rates 50 cents, cut our >> administrative costs by $.70 for most customers by changing to EFT >> payments, >> and now we're trying to figure out how to keep up with our expected 3X >> use >> of data transfer and still keep our bandwidth costs within our planned >> maximum of $8 over the next 3 years. > > I've never raised rates in 15 years and use that as a differentiator > between us and the standard practices of the duopoly cable/telephone > competition. (We keep rates a little higher to begin with) > >> We have some strategies to help with this, one of them is to offer a >> premium >> service to residences that has higher than cable or dsl speeds for around >> $225-250 / mo, and it appears we can deliver this to over 90% of our >> service >> area at a moderate investment. >> >> Also, we're liscensin
