I'm a big 802.11 fan, but I'm thinking Moto 900 is really the only way to go until N hits 900 MHz. Just can't get enough capacity in the air any other way. That said, I don't own any Moto.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "jp" <j...@saucer.midcoast.com> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:29 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:15:41AM -0800, MDK wrote: >> In some places, we do 900 gear, and that's still a $300+ install cost. >> Or, >> we eat most of it if the customer will pay a year in advance. 900 is >> reserved to the "absolutely nothing else will work" locations, as it's >> such >> a finicky and persnickety beast. Channel changes due to weather or >> temperature or humidity changes, and all sorts of other grief, as well, >> including a lot of SR9 failures. (use xr9's now) > > You're taking the finicky and persnickety approach to 900. > > We don't have that grief with Alvarion/Trango, and Canopy people > probably don't have the same grief. > > We still reserve 900 as a last option, as it's slower and more expensive > than line-of-sight options. > > > >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "jp" <j...@saucer.midcoast.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... >> increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. >> >> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote: >> >> I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good >> >> rates. >> >> >> >> I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give >> >> me >> >> a >> >> break for doubling my commit. >> > >> > Continued business with you should be important. If you offer to pay >> > the >> > same and get more bandwidth, that should work for everyone. >> > >> >> We're also looking at deploying either Ubnt's M based equipment or >> >> someone >> >> else's if anyone ever comes up with something workable and affordable, >> >> as >> >> an >> >> addition to our already deployed network. >> > >> > I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp >> > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work >> > around in that the automatic distance setting does not work, you need >> > to >> > manually set it, plus 15%. I can get 100mbit no problem with 20mhz >> > spectrum. >> > >> > This is serious praise, as I generally prefer midrange or higher end >> > stuff like Alvarion, Trango, and I generally have serious reservations >> > about the cheap stuff for honest calculated reasons. >> > >> >> We initially had a bandwidth cost of of about $6/customer, it reached >> >> a >> >> low >> >> of about $3.3 a year or two after starting, and now it's back up to a >> >> little >> >> less than $5 / customer. We've raised our rates 50 cents, cut our >> >> administrative costs by $.70 for most customers by changing to EFT >> >> payments, >> >> and now we're trying to figure out how to keep up with our expected 3X >> >> use >> >> of data transfer and still keep our bandwidth costs within our planned >> >> maximum of $8 over the next 3 years. >> > >> > I've never raised rates in 15 years and use that as a differentiator >> > between us and the standard practices of the duopoly cable/telephone >> > competition. (We keep rates a little higher to begin with) >> > >> >> We have some strategies to help with this, one of them is to offer a >> >> premium >> >> service to residences that has higher than cable or dsl speeds for >> >> around >> >> $225-250 / mo, and it appears we can deliver this to over 90% of our >> >> service >> >> area at a moderate investment. >> >> >> >> Also, we're liscensing up big time for deploying 3.65 in a PtMP scheme >> >> over >> >> a sizeable area, as well. >> >> >> >> About a year ago, my biggest competitor began deploying stuff that >> >> looks >> >> identical to mine, though I know that it's Mikrotik inside instead of >> >> Star-OS. It's time to make that big step up and be ahead again for a >> >> while. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Butch Evans" <but...@butchevans.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:44 PM >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased >> >> data >> >> delivery is here to stay. >> >> >> >> >> At 03:09 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: >> >> >> >I've been watching the thread about it with great interest. >> >> >> >Partly >> >> >> >because I was wondering if anyone was going to try "my solution", >> >> >> >which >> >> >> >is, >> >> >> >to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who >> >> >> >want >> >> >> >to >> >> >> >use >> >> >> >these, and have them work fine. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, >> >> >> >which >> >> >> >puts >> >> >> >video ahead of surfing, etc. >> >> > >> >> > This is a good point. The fact is, that a GOOD bandwidth manager >> >> > will >> >> > allow traffic to flow as fast as possible. One thing to bear in >> >> > mind, >> >> > with regard to my QOS system, is that I don't speed limit ANYTHING. >> >> > I >> >> > simply prioritize traffic so that the time sensitive stuff gets out >> >> > first. There is no reason to limit even P2P if there is available >> >> > bandwidth. Every class that I give that covers QOS, I restate this >> >> > one >> >> > maxim: "QOS is not simply LIMITING bandwidth. Rather, QOS is about >> >> > MANAGING the available bandwidth resources." There is an important >> >> > distinction there that your comments don't take into account. >> >> > >> >> >> >We're thinking about how we're going to meet the demands of the >> >> >> >near >> >> >> >future... not managing a shortage of bandwidth delivery. >> >> > >> >> > Even with sufficient bandwidth available, there are links and >> >> > network >> >> > infrastructure where a good QOS mechanism will benefit the network. >> >> > >> >> >> >I'm thinking of planning on a future delivery of 4 to 6 meg per >> >> >> >customer, >> >> >> >oversubscribed to around 4 to 6 to one. >> >> > >> >> > For many, 4:1 would mean out of business. Even at 10:1, many would >> >> > not >> >> > survive. There are places in this country where bandwidth is still >> >> > quite expensive ($200/Meg would sound GOOD to some people). Even at >> >> > that price, a 4:1 ratio is $50/customer before you add in ANY costs. >> >> > Even 10:1 is to high. It would be NICE if the price for wholesale >> >> > BW >> >> > came down, but too many folks do not have the benefit of reasonable >> >> > bandwidth. >> >> > -- >> >> > ******************************************************************** >> >> > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> >> > * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >> >> > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> >> > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> >> > ******************************************************************** >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > WISPA Wants You! 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