On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:15:41AM -0800, MDK wrote: > In some places, we do 900 gear, and that's still a $300+ install cost. Or, > we eat most of it if the customer will pay a year in advance. 900 is > reserved to the "absolutely nothing else will work" locations, as it's such > a finicky and persnickety beast. Channel changes due to weather or > temperature or humidity changes, and all sorts of other grief, as well, > including a lot of SR9 failures. (use xr9's now)
You're taking the finicky and persnickety approach to 900. We don't have that grief with Alvarion/Trango, and Canopy people probably don't have the same grief. We still reserve 900 as a last option, as it's slower and more expensive than line-of-sight options. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jp" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... > increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote: > >> I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good > >> rates. > >> > >> I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me > >> a > >> break for doubling my commit. > > > > Continued business with you should be important. If you offer to pay the > > same and get more bandwidth, that should work for everyone. > > > >> We're also looking at deploying either Ubnt's M based equipment or > >> someone > >> else's if anyone ever comes up with something workable and affordable, as > >> an > >> addition to our already deployed network. > > > > I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp > > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work > > around in that the automatic distance setting does not work, you need to > > manually set it, plus 15%. I can get 100mbit no problem with 20mhz > > spectrum. > > > > This is serious praise, as I generally prefer midrange or higher end > > stuff like Alvarion, Trango, and I generally have serious reservations > > about the cheap stuff for honest calculated reasons. > > > >> We initially had a bandwidth cost of of about $6/customer, it reached a > >> low > >> of about $3.3 a year or two after starting, and now it's back up to a > >> little > >> less than $5 / customer. We've raised our rates 50 cents, cut our > >> administrative costs by $.70 for most customers by changing to EFT > >> payments, > >> and now we're trying to figure out how to keep up with our expected 3X > >> use > >> of data transfer and still keep our bandwidth costs within our planned > >> maximum of $8 over the next 3 years. > > > > I've never raised rates in 15 years and use that as a differentiator > > between us and the standard practices of the duopoly cable/telephone > > competition. (We keep rates a little higher to begin with) > > > >> We have some strategies to help with this, one of them is to offer a > >> premium > >> service to residences that has higher than cable or dsl speeds for around > >> $225-250 / mo, and it appears we can deliver this to over 90% of our > >> service > >> area at a moderate investment. > >> > >> Also, we're liscensing up big time for deploying 3.65 in a PtMP scheme > >> over > >> a sizeable area, as well. > >> > >> About a year ago, my biggest competitor began deploying stuff that looks > >> identical to mine, though I know that it's Mikrotik inside instead of > >> Star-OS. It's time to make that big step up and be ahead again for a > >> while. > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Butch Evans" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:44 PM > >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data > >> delivery is here to stay. > >> > >> >> At 03:09 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: > >> >> >I've been watching the thread about it with great interest. Partly > >> >> >because I was wondering if anyone was going to try "my solution", > >> >> >which > >> >> >is, > >> >> >to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who want > >> >> >to > >> >> >use > >> >> >these, and have them work fine. > >> >> > > >> >> >Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, which > >> >> >puts > >> >> >video ahead of surfing, etc. > >> > > >> > This is a good point. The fact is, that a GOOD bandwidth manager will > >> > allow traffic to flow as fast as possible. One thing to bear in mind, > >> > with regard to my QOS system, is that I don't speed limit ANYTHING. I > >> > simply prioritize traffic so that the time sensitive stuff gets out > >> > first. There is no reason to limit even P2P if there is available > >> > bandwidth. Every class that I give that covers QOS, I restate this one > >> > maxim: "QOS is not simply LIMITING bandwidth. Rather, QOS is about > >> > MANAGING the available bandwidth resources." There is an important > >> > distinction there that your comments don't take into account. > >> > > >> >> >We're thinking about how we're going to meet the demands of the near > >> >> >future... not managing a shortage of bandwidth delivery. > >> > > >> > Even with sufficient bandwidth available, there are links and network > >> > infrastructure where a good QOS mechanism will benefit the network. > >> > > >> >> >I'm thinking of planning on a future delivery of 4 to 6 meg per > >> >> >customer, > >> >> >oversubscribed to around 4 to 6 to one. > >> > > >> > For many, 4:1 would mean out of business. Even at 10:1, many would not > >> > survive. There are places in this country where bandwidth is still > >> > quite expensive ($200/Meg would sound GOOD to some people). Even at > >> > that price, a 4:1 ratio is $50/customer before you add in ANY costs. > >> > Even 10:1 is to high. It would be NICE if the price for wholesale BW > >> > came down, but too many folks do not have the benefit of reasonable > >> > bandwidth. > >> > -- > >> > ******************************************************************** > >> > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > >> > * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * > >> > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > >> > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > >> > ******************************************************************** > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > WISPA Wants You! 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