Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
3m 2228 self vulcanizing rubber tape. Covered with 3m 33+ electrical tape. I've NEVER had one leak when done this way. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
It might be a little bit. But ONLY if you use the GOOD stuff. I pay just short of $7 per roll, not $2. It also helps force the rubber blob into all the nooks and crannies. Often as not I come back a couple of years down the road and find that the vinyl tape has actually drifted clear off the connector. But there's enough of the rubber that's pushed down into all of the cracks that it still doesn't leak at all. marlon - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the black rubber... ryan Mark Nash wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the black rubber... ryan Mark Nash wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
I would definitely seal a Ubiquiti Bullet if I put one outside, regardless of they their marketing says. Too many times, I have seen marketing departments show radios on a mast with blue indoor cat5 coming out, shiny unsealed coax connections, 80f, dry and sunny, etc... They have good potential for CPE once approved for larger directional antennas. Their capabilities are lacking compared to Mikrotik, et.al. for AP use. No noise floor adjustment, no nstreme, no virtual APs, no power less than 10-11dbm, no means of automated config backup, no interface for adding and saving static routes, no calea tools, etc... On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:57:33PM -0500, RickG wrote: I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is 3M's Scotchkote http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that see salt water, rain, high winds, freezing rain, etc. Greg On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, RickG wrote: I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2- week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
First coat. Electrical tape (sticky side out) easiest to remove 2nd http://www.shop3m.com/80050049008.html?WT.mc_ev=clickthroughWT.mc_id=shop3m-AtoZ-Scotch-Vinyl-Mastic 3m mastic. It's nice and nasty but it's all I've used for 5 yrs. Only a couple leaks. (probably user error) 3rd. Another layer of electric tape. Brian os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is 3M's Scotchkote http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that see salt water, rain, high winds, freezing rain, etc. Greg On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, RickG wrote: I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2- week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
D. Ryan Spott wrote: My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the black rubber... ryan Not sure about this. I use rubber and sometimes we put vinyl tape as a 2nd layer. But I have never seen the rubber tape fail, except, the cheap junk you get in a true value harware store that has a plastic layer you peel off. That stuff disintergrates, shouldn't be used for anything I can think of. We use 3m and it's high quality. I stretch it out pretty far and it really covers tight. Something else we used as electricians in the past that I may have tried years ago to add aditional sealing, was liguid rubber. 3m or scotch make a liquid rubber product that you brush on and coats the tape that is used. It's called Scotch Coat in the electrical trade. It's an additional layer of protection. Downside, as you can imagine, it's kinda messy to work with. Mark Nash wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
