Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Even though I think you just made a typo, want to clarify so there's no misinformation 1. You don't need Class B for 18 GHz -- 2' dish is Class A 2. We're talking about 11 GHz - you can do 2.5' dish for Class A though -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Thanks. at 18 GHz, a Class B should be fine. - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > To summarize, it details to the amount of interference you are willing to > accept on your system > > That said, for "standard" operations in Part 101, due to the fact that the > rules were written back in the early 90s for analogue microwave systems, > the interference threshold of a licensed system can be summarized as > follows (keep in mind, you can easily poke holes into my response, so bear > with this oversimplification) > > Part 101 Interference Threshold is ~40 dB BELOW the minimum threshold of > your licensed modulation > > That said...say I have a radio that as a result of operating at 64 QAM, > has a minimum receive threshold of -68 dBm > Chances are, when I build the link, I will plan for some amount of fade > margin (say 30 dB here), so my nominal receive threshold for the link > is -38 dBi > That said, when I'm talking about this 40 dB buffer, I'm talking 40 dB > below the MINIMUM threshold, so if I were to license a system in the area > on the same channel, the co-channel noise that I would be able to pick up > from you must be 40 dB BELOW -68, or ~ -108 dBm > > In this particular situation, if you were running in 11 GHz, as a result > of using a 2' dish, you may change the allowable "interferable" noise flow > from -108 (40 dB below -68) ro -78 (40 dB below -38) > > Again, in the unlicensed world, 10-15 dB above the noise floor is > considered to be pretty good -- anything above that with some level of > protection is incredible, and in the lower bands (!1 & 6 GHz) where it may > be hard to fit a system in a geographical area at a specific > interference/noise level, taking in an extra 10-20 dB of noise (when I've > got 60+ dB of fade margin) isn't too much of an issue > > -Charles > > --- > WiNOG Wireless Roadshows > Coming to a City Near You > http://www.winog.com > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:18 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Could you please elaborate about a Class B? This is new to me. > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > >> Actually...if you're willing to accept Class B status under Part 101, you >> can even get a 2' in 11 GHz >> >> NOTE: Class B is still MILES ahead of anything unlicensed >> >> -Charles >> >> ----------- >> WiNOG Wireless Roadshows >> Coming to a City Near You >> http://www.winog.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Mike Brownson >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:31 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> Correct. Normally 4 ft is the standard. But in most areas of the >> country >> you can request an exception and go down to a 2.5 ft. It has something >> to >> do with locations near certain military installations. >> >> Mike B >> >> >> On 7/10/08 10:42 AM, "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> 2.5' Minimum on 11GHz >>> >>> Daniel White >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Brad Belton >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:35 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >>> >>> D
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Thanks. at 18 GHz, a Class B should be fine. - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > To summarize, it details to the amount of interference you are willing to > accept on your system > > That said, for "standard" operations in Part 101, due to the fact that the > rules were written back in the early 90s for analogue microwave systems, > the interference threshold of a licensed system can be summarized as > follows (keep in mind, you can easily poke holes into my response, so bear > with this oversimplification) > > Part 101 Interference Threshold is ~40 dB BELOW the minimum threshold of > your licensed modulation > > That said...say I have a radio that as a result of operating at 64 QAM, > has a minimum receive threshold of -68 dBm > Chances are, when I build the link, I will plan for some amount of fade > margin (say 30 dB here), so my nominal receive threshold for the link > is -38 dBi > That said, when I'm talking about this 40 dB buffer, I'm talking 40 dB > below the MINIMUM threshold, so if I were to license a system in the area > on the same channel, the co-channel noise that I would be able to pick up > from you must be 40 dB BELOW -68, or ~ -108 dBm > > In this particular situation, if you were running in 11 GHz, as a result > of using a 2' dish, you may change the allowable "interferable" noise flow > from -108 (40 dB below -68) ro -78 (40 dB below -38) > > Again, in the unlicensed world, 10-15 dB above the noise floor is > considered to be pretty good -- anything above that with some level of > protection is incredible, and in the lower bands (!1 & 6 GHz) where it may > be hard to fit a system in a geographical area at a specific > interference/noise level, taking in an extra 10-20 dB of noise (when I've > got 60+ dB of fade margin) isn't too much of an issue > > -Charles > > --- > WiNOG Wireless Roadshows > Coming to a City Near You > http://www.winog.com > > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:18 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Could you please elaborate about a Class B? This is new to me. > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > >> Actually...if you're willing to accept Class B status under Part 101, you >> can even get a 2' in 11 GHz >> >> NOTE: Class B is still MILES ahead of anything unlicensed >> >> -Charles >> >> ----------------------- >> WiNOG Wireless Roadshows >> Coming to a City Near You >> http://www.winog.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Mike Brownson >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:31 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> Correct. Normally 4 ft is the standard. But in most areas of the >> country >> you can request an exception and go down to a 2.5 ft. It has something >> to >> do with locations near certain military installations. >> >> Mike B >> >> >> On 7/10/08 10:42 AM, "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> 2.5' Minimum on 11GHz >>> >>> Daniel White >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Brad Belton >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:35 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >>> >>> Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? >>> >>> Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a >>> 2' >>> approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to >>> change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter >>> pattern...like 4'. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [E
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
To summarize, it details to the amount of interference you are willing to accept on your system That said, for "standard" operations in Part 101, due to the fact that the rules were written back in the early 90s for analogue microwave systems, the interference threshold of a licensed system can be summarized as follows (keep in mind, you can easily poke holes into my response, so bear with this oversimplification) Part 101 Interference Threshold is ~40 dB BELOW the minimum threshold of your licensed modulation That said...say I have a radio that as a result of operating at 64 QAM, has a minimum receive threshold of -68 dBm Chances are, when I build the link, I will plan for some amount of fade margin (say 30 dB here), so my nominal receive threshold for the link is -38 dBi That said, when I'm talking about this 40 dB buffer, I'm talking 40 dB below the MINIMUM threshold, so if I were to license a system in the area on the same channel, the co-channel noise that I would be able to pick up from you must be 40 dB BELOW -68, or ~ -108 dBm In this particular situation, if you were running in 11 GHz, as a result of using a 2' dish, you may change the allowable "interferable" noise flow from -108 (40 dB below -68) ro -78 (40 dB below -38) Again, in the unlicensed world, 10-15 dB above the noise floor is considered to be pretty good -- anything above that with some level of protection is incredible, and in the lower bands (!1 & 6 GHz) where it may be hard to fit a system in a geographical area at a specific interference/noise level, taking in an extra 10-20 dB of noise (when I've got 60+ dB of fade margin) isn't too much of an issue -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Could you please elaborate about a Class B? This is new to me. - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > Actually...if you're willing to accept Class B status under Part 101, you > can even get a 2' in 11 GHz > > NOTE: Class B is still MILES ahead of anything unlicensed > > -Charles > > --- > WiNOG Wireless Roadshows > Coming to a City Near You > http://www.winog.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Brownson > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:31 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Correct. Normally 4 ft is the standard. But in most areas of the country > you can request an exception and go down to a 2.5 ft. It has something to > do with locations near certain military installations. > > Mike B > > > On 7/10/08 10:42 AM, "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2.5' Minimum on 11GHz >> >> Daniel White >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:35 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? >> >> Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a >> 2' >> approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to >> change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter >> pattern...like 4'. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something >> changed >> recently. >> >> At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> >> Not
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Could you please elaborate about a Class B? This is new to me. - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > Actually...if you're willing to accept Class B status under Part 101, you > can even get a 2' in 11 GHz > > NOTE: Class B is still MILES ahead of anything unlicensed > > -Charles > > --- > WiNOG Wireless Roadshows > Coming to a City Near You > http://www.winog.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Brownson > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:31 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Correct. Normally 4 ft is the standard. But in most areas of the country > you can request an exception and go down to a 2.5 ft. It has something to > do with locations near certain military installations. > > Mike B > > > On 7/10/08 10:42 AM, "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2.5' Minimum on 11GHz >> >> Daniel White >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:35 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? >> >> Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a >> 2' >> approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to >> change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter >> pattern...like 4'. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something >> changed >> recently. >> >> At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> >> Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' >> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? >>> >>> You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... >>> >>> Bob >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave >>> Horizon Compact? >>> Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed >>> freqs are appropriate for a link? >>> >>> I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq >>> licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? >>> At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't >>> get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Actually...if you're willing to accept Class B status under Part 101, you can even get a 2' in 11 GHz NOTE: Class B is still MILES ahead of anything unlicensed -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brownson Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Correct. Normally 4 ft is the standard. But in most areas of the country you can request an exception and go down to a 2.5 ft. It has something to do with locations near certain military installations. Mike B On 7/10/08 10:42 AM, "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2.5' Minimum on 11GHz > > Daniel White > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brad Belton > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? > > Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a 2' > approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to > change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter > pattern...like 4'. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something changed > recently. > > At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > > Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? >> >> You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... >> >> Bob >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> >> Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave >> Horizon Compact? >> Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed >> freqs are appropriate for a link? >> >> I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq >> licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? >> At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't >> get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > >
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Correct. Normally 4 ft is the standard. But in most areas of the country you can request an exception and go down to a 2.5 ft. It has something to do with locations near certain military installations. Mike B On 7/10/08 10:42 AM, "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2.5' Minimum on 11GHz > > Daniel White > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brad Belton > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? > > Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a 2' > approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to > change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter > pattern...like 4'. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something changed > recently. > > At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > > Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? >> >> You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... >> >> Bob >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> >> Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave >> Horizon Compact? >> Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed >> freqs are appropriate for a link? >> >> I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq >> licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? >> At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't >> get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Thanks for pointing that out. In my mind that was what I was attempting to say. I guess I failed to take it to completion. I was trying to make the point that gain ~~ size~~ beamwidth but only in the broad general case. The FCC is not really caring about gain or size(in these cases); but since they all three are usually proportional many workers in the field use size as the rule of thumb. A very well designed high performance parabolic reflector can have the same sidelobe characteristics as a larger reflector. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > Chuck, > > Yes, that is right, it is the radiation characteristics that are > specified, > that must be met. > > My point being "size" is not one of the criteria listed required to be > met. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Chuck, Yes, that is right, it is the radiation characteristics that are specified, that must be met. My point being "size" is not one of the criteria listed required to be met. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > Generally speaking, when the FCC specifies antennas they are more > interested > in the pattern than the gain. Specifically, they have a beamwidth and > sidelobe suppression mask that they insist upon. This is always true with > satellite uplink dishes. Not totally familiar with the point to point > fixed > microwave requirements but I would suspect this to be the case there as > well. For parabolic reflectors, gain=directivity*efficiency or > directivity > (beamwidth) = gain/efficiency. Most parabolics are about 50-60% > efficient. > So you can treat that as a constant. > - Original Message - > From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > >>A couple notes... >> >> Because this is a Dragonwave thread, I'd recommend that you contact >> CharlesWu at cticonnect.com, I've been very pleased with his assistance >> in >> the past on Licensed. >> >> As for 11ghz dish size... The requirements are not size, it is gain >> characteristics of the dish. In most cases only a 4 ft dish demonstrated >> those characteristics. >> There is a 2.5ft dish on the market that DOES meet the requirements to be >> equivellent of a typical 4ft dish. If you need this 2.5ft dish, it will >> also effect your selection of gear, as some manufactyurers require use of >> a >> specific dish, based on the mounting and waveguide methods to be >> compatible. >> Take note that it is now legal to use smaller dishes, based on recent >> lobbying and FCC decission, but it is on a secondary basis that gives >> priority to the users of larger 4ft dishes. If you deploy smaller than >> the >> 2.5ft full spec'd dish, you should fully inform your self with exactly >> what >> that means, as far as rights you have under the license. >> >> With that said, we have been very pleased with our Trango 18Ghz Licensed >> gear. They are shipping 11Ghz stuff now also, and definately worth a >> look, >> if you have not yet made a purchasing decission. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> >>>I did not know that. >>> Can anyone suggest a good FAQ/Intro resource for someone just getting >>> into licensed backhauls? Or a collection of links so I can RTFM? >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? >>>> >>>> Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a >>>> 2' >>>> approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced >>>> to >>>> change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter >>>> pattern...like 4'. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> >>>> Brad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >>>> >>>> Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something >>>> changed >>>> recently. >>>> >>>> At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it >>>> up >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> Date: Thu, 1
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Generally speaking, when the FCC specifies antennas they are more interested in the pattern than the gain. Specifically, they have a beamwidth and sidelobe suppression mask that they insist upon. This is always true with satellite uplink dishes. Not totally familiar with the point to point fixed microwave requirements but I would suspect this to be the case there as well. For parabolic reflectors, gain=directivity*efficiency or directivity (beamwidth) = gain/efficiency. Most parabolics are about 50-60% efficient. So you can treat that as a constant. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >A couple notes... > > Because this is a Dragonwave thread, I'd recommend that you contact > CharlesWu at cticonnect.com, I've been very pleased with his assistance in > the past on Licensed. > > As for 11ghz dish size... The requirements are not size, it is gain > characteristics of the dish. In most cases only a 4 ft dish demonstrated > those characteristics. > There is a 2.5ft dish on the market that DOES meet the requirements to be > equivellent of a typical 4ft dish. If you need this 2.5ft dish, it will > also effect your selection of gear, as some manufactyurers require use of > a > specific dish, based on the mounting and waveguide methods to be > compatible. > Take note that it is now legal to use smaller dishes, based on recent > lobbying and FCC decission, but it is on a secondary basis that gives > priority to the users of larger 4ft dishes. If you deploy smaller than > the > 2.5ft full spec'd dish, you should fully inform your self with exactly > what > that means, as far as rights you have under the license. > > With that said, we have been very pleased with our Trango 18Ghz Licensed > gear. They are shipping 11Ghz stuff now also, and definately worth a look, > if you have not yet made a purchasing decission. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:46 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > >>I did not know that. >> Can anyone suggest a good FAQ/Intro resource for someone just getting >> into licensed backhauls? Or a collection of links so I can RTFM? >> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? >>> >>> Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a >>> 2' >>> approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to >>> change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter >>> pattern...like 4'. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >>> >>> Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something >>> changed >>> recently. >>> >>> At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it >>> up >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >>> >>> >>> Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? >>>> >>>> You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >>>> >>>> >>>> Does
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
A couple notes... Because this is a Dragonwave thread, I'd recommend that you contact CharlesWu at cticonnect.com, I've been very pleased with his assistance in the past on Licensed. As for 11ghz dish size... The requirements are not size, it is gain characteristics of the dish. In most cases only a 4 ft dish demonstrated those characteristics. There is a 2.5ft dish on the market that DOES meet the requirements to be equivellent of a typical 4ft dish. If you need this 2.5ft dish, it will also effect your selection of gear, as some manufactyurers require use of a specific dish, based on the mounting and waveguide methods to be compatible. Take note that it is now legal to use smaller dishes, based on recent lobbying and FCC decission, but it is on a secondary basis that gives priority to the users of larger 4ft dishes. If you deploy smaller than the 2.5ft full spec'd dish, you should fully inform your self with exactly what that means, as far as rights you have under the license. With that said, we have been very pleased with our Trango 18Ghz Licensed gear. They are shipping 11Ghz stuff now also, and definately worth a look, if you have not yet made a purchasing decission. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >I did not know that. > Can anyone suggest a good FAQ/Intro resource for someone just getting > into licensed backhauls? Or a collection of links so I can RTFM? > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? >> >> Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a >> 2' >> approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to >> change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter >> pattern...like 4'. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something >> changed >> recently. >> >> At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> >> Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' >> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? >>> >>> You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... >>> >>> Bob >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave >>> Horizon Compact? >>> Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed >>> freqs are appropriate for a link? >>> >>> I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq >>> licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? >>> At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't >>> get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. >>> >>> >>> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Dragonwave makes some very good tools that will path profile for you. They do antenna size and uptime estimates. I know that CTI can run all those numbers for you based on the two end points. On Jul 10, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Jonathan Auer wrote: I did not know that. Can anyone suggest a good FAQ/Intro resource for someone just getting into licensed backhauls? Or a collection of links so I can RTFM? On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a 2' approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter pattern...like 4'. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something changed recently. At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave Horizon Compact? Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed freqs are appropriate for a link? I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ <> Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
The vendor should be able to answer your questions and do a real terrain path for you Call dragonwave direct and they will refer you to someone like... Me. :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:46:52 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM I did not know that. Can anyone suggest a good FAQ/Intro resource for someone just getting into licensed backhauls? Or a collection of links so I can RTFM? On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? > > Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a 2' > approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to > change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter > pattern...like 4'. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something changed > recently. > > At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message- > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > > Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? >> >> You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... >> >> Bob >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> >> Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave >> Horizon Compact? >> Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed >> freqs are appropriate for a link? >> >> I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq >> licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? >> At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't >> get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Jonathan Auer wrote: > I did not know that. > Can anyone suggest a good FAQ/Intro resource for someone just getting > into licensed backhauls? Or a collection of links so I can RTFM? > www.wispa.org ? It has quite a good collection of resources. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
I did not know that. Can anyone suggest a good FAQ/Intro resource for someone just getting into licensed backhauls? Or a collection of links so I can RTFM? On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? > > Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a 2' > approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to > change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter > pattern...like 4'. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something changed > recently. > > At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message----- > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > > Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? >> >> You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... >> >> Bob >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM >> >> >> Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave >> Horizon Compact? >> Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed >> freqs are appropriate for a link? >> >> I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq >> licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? >> At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't >> get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
2.5' Minimum on 11GHz Daniel White -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a 2' approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter pattern...like 4'. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something changed recently. At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? > > You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > > Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave > Horizon Compact? > Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed > freqs are appropriate for a link? > > I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq > licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? > At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't > get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Doesn't 11Ghz have a 4' minimum or was that changed? Last rumor I heard was you might be able to get a 3' or possibly even a 2' approved for 11GHz, but if it becomes a problem then you'll be forced to change to an antenna that doesn't cause a problem with a tighter pattern...like 4'. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something changed recently. At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? > > You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > > Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave > Horizon Compact? > Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed > freqs are appropriate for a link? > > I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq > licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? > At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't > get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Regs are 6' minimum high performance dish at 6 GHz unless something changed recently. At 11 Ghz you should be able to get 99.99 and use the 5 Ghz to back it up Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? > > You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > > Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave > Horizon Compact? > Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed > freqs are appropriate for a link? > > I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq > licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? > At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't > get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Not really. The biggest I can use are 3' On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? > > You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM > > > Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave > Horizon Compact? > Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed > freqs are appropriate for a link? > > I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq > licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? > At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't > get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
Do you have facilities to mount 6' antennas at any real height?? You may be able to get away with 11 GHz... Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Jonathan Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:06 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave Horizon Compact? Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed freqs are appropriate for a link? I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
11 Ghz On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Jonathan Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have a Radio Mobile antenna pattern for the Dragonwave > Horizon Compact? > Is there a better tool/method for figuring out if the 6+Ghz licensed > freqs are appropriate for a link? > > I could be barking up the wrong tree with this... Are the higher freq > licensed links appropriate for ~15-25 mile links? > At the moment I'm using PTP600s and AN-50es to do the job but I can't > get the speed I'd like because of noise floor. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
