Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-14 Thread Bob Elliott - RCS
:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism The fixed cameras were about $30/ea. The composite to IP box was about $50. The alarm system was about $200 when we put it in 5 years ago. Yeah, the PTZ was about $2000 for a good one, great zoom, enclosure w/ fan

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-08 Thread Blair Davis
inline Jack Unger wrote: There's a difference between killing someone who shows you a weapon and threatens your life versus someone who commits a felony on some remote property. Hardly anyone (or any state) would deny you the ability to use lethal force to defend your life. That's a lot

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-08 Thread Blair Davis
I was in a hurry and used the term felony loosely. Sorry about that. I may defend my property against imminent destruction, i.e. someone trying to burn it down, knock it down... ect. If I shot a kid with a spray paint can, I'd have a problem in court. But if I shot a guy using a bulldozer to

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism THREAD CLOSED

2009-09-08 Thread Rick Harnish
This thread is closed. Enough said. Rick Harnish From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism I was in a hurry

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Blair Davis
of getting caught for doing anything bad. What are they going to do, shoot you? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalis

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Jack Unger
Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Blair Davis
In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread lakeland
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Jack Unger
I didn't realize that. Thank you for the update. I'll contact you off-list with any further questions that I have. Blair Davis wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Tom Sharples
...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Scott Carullo
- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Jayson Baker
This is also the case in Colorado. I remember a couple years ago a guy came to the door of a couple's home, they opened the door and the guy showed them a knife. The wife beat the crap out of the guy with a baseball bat. He was DOA when the cops got there. She/they weren't charged at all.

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Jack Unger
There's a difference between killing someone who shows you a weapon and threatens your life versus someone who commits a felony on some remote property. Hardly anyone (or any state) would deny you the ability to use lethal force to defend your life. That's a lot different from hunting down and

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Travis Johnson
So if a drug dealer is doing a "deal" on your property (100 pounds of cocaine), you can shoot them? I highly doubt that. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Travis Johnson
That's called self defense and has nothing to do with showing up while a felony is being committed and being able to "open fire". Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: This is also the case in Colorado. I remember a couple years ago a guy came to the door of a couple's home, they opened

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Jayson Baker
What if you live in Texas? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: That's called self defense and has nothing to do with showing up while a felony is being committed and being able to open fire. Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: This is also the case in

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Scott Carullo
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-07 Thread Brad Belton
the Second Amendment and why it is important to all law abiding citizens. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 4:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-06 Thread Mike Hammett
owners didn't install alarms and video surveillance equipment because... Tom S. - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-06 Thread Travis Johnson
:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism So I'm curious what one would do if you saw someone there to take down your tower? Are you really going to drive there and confront someone that doesn't give a crap about doing illegal activities? Travis

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-05 Thread Josh Luthman
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism http://www.elfpressoffice.org/ Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool (or a complete crack head) to destroy a big tower with your person AT THE BASE

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-05 Thread Travis Johnson
: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism http://www.elfpressoffice.org/ Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool (or a complete

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-05 Thread Scott Carullo
Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism WISPA Wants You! Join today! http

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-05 Thread Gary Garrett
I don't know, you should never talk about a willingness to shoot someone. A good lawyer will find your E-mail on the Internet and use that against you. If you do shoot someone be sure you do it right so they die... Even the most hardened criminal does not look threatening to the Jury when

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Don't forget I used force necessary to maintain the situation. On 9/5/09, Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net wrote: I don't know, you should never talk about a willingness to shoot someone. A good lawyer will find your E-mail on the Internet and use that against you. If you do shoot someone be

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-05 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:47 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism I don't know, you should never talk about a willingness to shoot someone. A good lawyer will find your E-mail on the Internet and use

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-05 Thread Gary Garrett
Your Lawyer will say that when the time comes. If you say anything at all at the scene, the only installer you will ever have to deal with will be some creep named Bubba. Don't forget I used force necessary to maintain the situation. When the police arrive, say ONLY 3 things, and repeat

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-04 Thread jp
http://www.elfpressoffice.org/ Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool (or a complete crack head) to destroy a big tower with your person AT THE BASE OF THE TOWER! Where else (on the ground) would be a worse place to be with a tower coming down? I'd want to be out of the fall

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-04 Thread Tom Sharples
And the site owners didn't install alarms and video surveillance equipment because... Tom S. - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-04 Thread Josh Luthman
: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism http://www.elfpressoffice.org/ Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool (or a complete crack head) to destroy a big tower with your person AT THE BASE OF THE TOWER! Where else (on the ground) would

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-04 Thread Jayson Baker
2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism http://www.elfpressoffice.org/ Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool (or a complete crack head) to destroy a big tower with your person AT THE BASE OF THE TOWER! Where else (on the ground) would be a worse

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-04 Thread Josh Luthman
. - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism http://www.elfpressoffice.org/ Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-04 Thread Tom Sharples
Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism Do you do those things? On 9/4/09, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: And the site owners

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-04 Thread Jayson Baker
: And the site owners didn't install alarms and video surveillance equipment because... Tom S. - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw