Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
Personally I put zero value in the this information is confidential statements. It's a joke. Just because someone puts that tag at the bottom of the email doesn't mean that I have to agree to it. I signed no paper saying I wouldn't share any of the information. It's no more than someone asking you to keep a secret, it's up to you. Long story... We were contacted a few months ago by a contract service company asking us to do some work at a local factory. Inventory their IT equipment and backup the configuration on all the Cisco routers for a baseline on a new service contract. They asked if we were Cisco Certified and I said no but we could do the work easily. They emailed over all the info and at the bottom was the Confidential tag. The factory turned out to have the IT department ran by a friend of mine. The info had the factories requirements and one was that all work be performed by Cisco Certified techs. Red flag... I tell them again, we aren't certified. They come back, just pretend. Again, all emails are Confidential. So I gave up and contacted my pal at the factory and forwarded all the emails. Told him they were trying to pull a fast one. Service company goes ape and threatens me with legal action for sharing the info with their client. Again, Confidential. I forwarded that to my pal yet again and also CC'd the service company. I signed no agreement to confidentiality or even verbally agreed to anything of the sort. It takes 2 to keep a secret and both have to agree. I never did. Realizing that I'm a nut with morals who doesn't give a damn about threats and they can't scare a nut with a morals, they backed off and went away. My pal also dropped them for breach of contract. The company is Seaboard Communications. They were actually contracted by the ORIGINAL contractor, Continuant whom my buddy signed the service agreement with. Another layer of B.S Their Legal crap is at the bottom of their emails is shaded grey. LEGAL NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. C 2004-2009. Seaboard Communication, www.seaboardcommunication.com All rights reserved I love that, Please delete it from your computer. Right. They were deleted all right. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
Thanks guys for your input. I was pretty sure I could get away with it, but checking. It is a very interesting conversation with the state CIO. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 9:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Personally I put zero value in the this information is confidential statements. It's a joke. Just because someone puts that tag at the bottom of the email doesn't mean that I have to agree to it. I signed no paper saying I wouldn't share any of the information. It's no more than someone asking you to keep a secret, it's up to you. Long story... We were contacted a few months ago by a contract service company asking us to do some work at a local factory. Inventory their IT equipment and backup the configuration on all the Cisco routers for a baseline on a new service contract. They asked if we were Cisco Certified and I said no but we could do the work easily. They emailed over all the info and at the bottom was the Confidential tag. The factory turned out to have the IT department ran by a friend of mine. The info had the factories requirements and one was that all work be performed by Cisco Certified techs. Red flag... I tell them again, we aren't certified. They come back, just pretend. Again, all emails are Confidential. So I gave up and contacted my pal at the factory and forwarded all the emails. Told him they were trying to pull a fast one. Service company goes ape and threatens me with legal action for sharing the info with their client. Again, Confidential. I forwarded that to my pal yet again and also CC'd the service company. I signed no agreement to confidentiality or even verbally agreed to anything of the sort. It takes 2 to keep a secret and both have to agree. I never did. Realizing that I'm a nut with morals who doesn't give a damn about threats and they can't scare a nut with a morals, they backed off and went away. My pal also dropped them for breach of contract. The company is Seaboard Communications. They were actually contracted by the ORIGINAL contractor, Continuant whom my buddy signed the service agreement with. Another layer of B.S Their Legal crap is at the bottom of their emails is shaded grey. LEGAL NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. C 2004-2009. Seaboard Communication, www.seaboardcommunication.com All rights reserved I love that, Please delete it from your computer. Right. They were deleted all right. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
Actually, if you get right down to it, I think you were within their parameters. It says the information is for the addressee's use, that would be you. You used it to determine if you were capable of meeting the contract obligations. It should say, is only for the use of the sender. Then they might have a little leg to stand on. Saying it is for your use just seems to me to say you can do whatever you want with it. Robert West wrote: Personally I put zero value in the this information is confidential statements. It's a joke. Just because someone puts that tag at the bottom of the email doesn't mean that I have to agree to it. I signed no paper saying I wouldn't share any of the information. It's no more than someone asking you to keep a secret, it's up to you. Long story... We were contacted a few months ago by a contract service company asking us to do some work at a local factory. Inventory their IT equipment and backup the configuration on all the Cisco routers for a baseline on a new service contract. They asked if we were Cisco Certified and I said no but we could do the work easily. They emailed over all the info and at the bottom was the Confidential tag. The factory turned out to have the IT department ran by a friend of mine. The info had the factories requirements and one was that all work be performed by Cisco Certified techs. Red flag... I tell them again, we aren't certified. They come back, just pretend. Again, all emails are Confidential. So I gave up and contacted my pal at the factory and forwarded all the emails. Told him they were trying to pull a fast one. Service company goes ape and threatens me with legal action for sharing the info with their client. Again, Confidential. I forwarded that to my pal yet again and also CC'd the service company. I signed no agreement to confidentiality or even verbally agreed to anything of the sort. It takes 2 to keep a secret and both have to agree. I never did. Realizing that I'm a nut with morals who doesn't give a damn about threats and they can't scare a nut with a morals, they backed off and went away. My pal also dropped them for breach of contract. The company is Seaboard Communications. They were actually contracted by the ORIGINAL contractor, Continuant whom my buddy signed the service agreement with. Another layer of B.S Their Legal crap is at the bottom of their emails is shaded grey. LEGAL NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. C 2004-2009. Seaboard Communication, www.seaboardcommunication.com All rights reserved I love that, Please delete it from your computer. Right. They were deleted all right. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
I agreed to nothing so just because someone tells me I can't tell someone else, too bad for them. They can't just dictate something to me with no 2 way agreement. It's like if I come up to you on the street and tell you to do something. Do you have to do it just because I said so or do we have to sit down and come up with some parameters and formally agree to the terms? If KFC somehow emails me their secret recipe, do I have a legal responsibility to keep that a secret? I'm not up on the law but I have no interest in the company, aren't on the payroll, never agreed to have any part of it. Screw em. They would be the ones putting a burden on me that I never wanted. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Actually, if you get right down to it, I think you were within their parameters. It says the information is for the addressee's use, that would be you. You used it to determine if you were capable of meeting the contract obligations. It should say, is only for the use of the sender. Then they might have a little leg to stand on. Saying it is for your use just seems to me to say you can do whatever you want with it. Robert West wrote: Personally I put zero value in the this information is confidential statements. It's a joke. Just because someone puts that tag at the bottom of the email doesn't mean that I have to agree to it. I signed no paper saying I wouldn't share any of the information. It's no more than someone asking you to keep a secret, it's up to you. Long story... We were contacted a few months ago by a contract service company asking us to do some work at a local factory. Inventory their IT equipment and backup the configuration on all the Cisco routers for a baseline on a new service contract. They asked if we were Cisco Certified and I said no but we could do the work easily. They emailed over all the info and at the bottom was the Confidential tag. The factory turned out to have the IT department ran by a friend of mine. The info had the factories requirements and one was that all work be performed by Cisco Certified techs. Red flag... I tell them again, we aren't certified. They come back, just pretend. Again, all emails are Confidential. So I gave up and contacted my pal at the factory and forwarded all the emails. Told him they were trying to pull a fast one. Service company goes ape and threatens me with legal action for sharing the info with their client. Again, Confidential. I forwarded that to my pal yet again and also CC'd the service company. I signed no agreement to confidentiality or even verbally agreed to anything of the sort. It takes 2 to keep a secret and both have to agree. I never did. Realizing that I'm a nut with morals who doesn't give a damn about threats and they can't scare a nut with a morals, they backed off and went away. My pal also dropped them for breach of contract. The company is Seaboard Communications. They were actually contracted by the ORIGINAL contractor, Continuant whom my buddy signed the service agreement with. Another layer of B.S Their Legal crap is at the bottom of their emails is shaded grey. LEGAL NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. C 2004-2009. Seaboard Communication, www.seaboardcommunication.com All rights reserved I love that, Please delete it from your computer. Right. They were deleted all right. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
I wasn't arguing that at all, in fact I am in agreement. My point is, if you read the notice, it gives you permission to do what you want with it. To me, intended solely for the use of the addressee means you, the addressee, can do what you want because it is for you. Robert West wrote: I agreed to nothing so just because someone tells me I can't tell someone else, too bad for them. They can't just dictate something to me with no 2 way agreement. It's like if I come up to you on the street and tell you to do something. Do you have to do it just because I said so or do we have to sit down and come up with some parameters and formally agree to the terms? If KFC somehow emails me their secret recipe, do I have a legal responsibility to keep that a secret? I'm not up on the law but I have no interest in the company, aren't on the payroll, never agreed to have any part of it. Screw em. They would be the ones putting a burden on me that I never wanted. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Actually, if you get right down to it, I think you were within their parameters. It says the information is for the addressee's use, that would be you. You used it to determine if you were capable of meeting the contract obligations. It should say, is only for the use of the sender. Then they might have a little leg to stand on. Saying it is for your use just seems to me to say you can do whatever you want with it. Robert West wrote: Personally I put zero value in the this information is confidential statements. It's a joke. Just because someone puts that tag at the bottom of the email doesn't mean that I have to agree to it. I signed no paper saying I wouldn't share any of the information. It's no more than someone asking you to keep a secret, it's up to you. Long story... We were contacted a few months ago by a contract service company asking us to do some work at a local factory. Inventory their IT equipment and backup the configuration on all the Cisco routers for a baseline on a new service contract. They asked if we were Cisco Certified and I said no but we could do the work easily. They emailed over all the info and at the bottom was the Confidential tag. The factory turned out to have the IT department ran by a friend of mine. The info had the factories requirements and one was that all work be performed by Cisco Certified techs. Red flag... I tell them again, we aren't certified. They come back, just pretend. Again, all emails are Confidential. So I gave up and contacted my pal at the factory and forwarded all the emails. Told him they were trying to pull a fast one. Service company goes ape and threatens me with legal action for sharing the info with their client. Again, Confidential. I forwarded that to my pal yet again and also CC'd the service company. I signed no agreement to confidentiality or even verbally agreed to anything of the sort. It takes 2 to keep a secret and both have to agree. I never did. Realizing that I'm a nut with morals who doesn't give a damn about threats and they can't scare a nut with a morals, they backed off and went away. My pal also dropped them for breach of contract. The company is Seaboard Communications. They were actually contracted by the ORIGINAL contractor, Continuant whom my buddy signed the service agreement with. Another layer of B.S Their Legal crap is at the bottom of their emails is shaded grey. LEGAL NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. C 2004-2009. Seaboard Communication, www.seaboardcommunication.com All rights reserved I love that, Please delete it from your computer. Right. They were deleted all right. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
I know, I know. Sorry, I was just arguing in general. It's that kind of day. Is it possible to kill customers and still have them pay for the service? Just wondering.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? I wasn't arguing that at all, in fact I am in agreement. My point is, if you read the notice, it gives you permission to do what you want with it. To me, intended solely for the use of the addressee means you, the addressee, can do what you want because it is for you. Robert West wrote: I agreed to nothing so just because someone tells me I can't tell someone else, too bad for them. They can't just dictate something to me with no 2 way agreement. It's like if I come up to you on the street and tell you to do something. Do you have to do it just because I said so or do we have to sit down and come up with some parameters and formally agree to the terms? If KFC somehow emails me their secret recipe, do I have a legal responsibility to keep that a secret? I'm not up on the law but I have no interest in the company, aren't on the payroll, never agreed to have any part of it. Screw em. They would be the ones putting a burden on me that I never wanted. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Actually, if you get right down to it, I think you were within their parameters. It says the information is for the addressee's use, that would be you. You used it to determine if you were capable of meeting the contract obligations. It should say, is only for the use of the sender. Then they might have a little leg to stand on. Saying it is for your use just seems to me to say you can do whatever you want with it. Robert West wrote: Personally I put zero value in the this information is confidential statements. It's a joke. Just because someone puts that tag at the bottom of the email doesn't mean that I have to agree to it. I signed no paper saying I wouldn't share any of the information. It's no more than someone asking you to keep a secret, it's up to you. Long story... We were contacted a few months ago by a contract service company asking us to do some work at a local factory. Inventory their IT equipment and backup the configuration on all the Cisco routers for a baseline on a new service contract. They asked if we were Cisco Certified and I said no but we could do the work easily. They emailed over all the info and at the bottom was the Confidential tag. The factory turned out to have the IT department ran by a friend of mine. The info had the factories requirements and one was that all work be performed by Cisco Certified techs. Red flag... I tell them again, we aren't certified. They come back, just pretend. Again, all emails are Confidential. So I gave up and contacted my pal at the factory and forwarded all the emails. Told him they were trying to pull a fast one. Service company goes ape and threatens me with legal action for sharing the info with their client. Again, Confidential. I forwarded that to my pal yet again and also CC'd the service company. I signed no agreement to confidentiality or even verbally agreed to anything of the sort. It takes 2 to keep a secret and both have to agree. I never did. Realizing that I'm a nut with morals who doesn't give a damn about threats and they can't scare a nut with a morals, they backed off and went away. My pal also dropped them for breach of contract. The company is Seaboard Communications. They were actually contracted by the ORIGINAL contractor, Continuant whom my buddy signed the service agreement with. Another layer of B.S Their Legal crap is at the bottom of their emails is shaded grey. LEGAL NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. C 2004-2009. Seaboard Communication, www.seaboardcommunication.com All rights reserved I love that, Please delete it from your computer. Right. They were deleted all right. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
Scott Reed wrote: I wasn't arguing that at all, in fact I am in agreement. My point is, if you read the notice, it gives you permission to do what you want with it. To me, LOL...true, good point! It's a lot like NDA's, you can't distribute the info they give you, but there is nothing stopping you from repeating the information you heard. Contrary to popular belief, NDAs can't stop speech as it's considered hearsay and not enforceable in a court and it doesn't matter what is written on the NDA regarding that. In general a court will always look at it as the senders responsibility to maintain confidentiality not the receiver. You can put whatever you want in an email but it wouldn't have much teeth in a court of law. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
Wow! I've been on this list since May 2004. Time sure flies! Thats back when Marlon really talked a lot - lol! -RickG On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
What's the big deal? Just follow the instructions in the signature. Richey This email and any attachments (Message) may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the addressee, or if this Message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute it, and we ask that you please delete it (including all copies) and notify the sender by return email. Delivery of this Message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) shall not be deemed a waiver of confidentiality and/or a privilege. By reading this you agree to send the sender $10,000 in small unmarked bills. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Wow! I've been on this list since May 2004. Time sure flies! Thats back when Marlon really talked a lot - lol! -RickG On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
That's better,no politics! Just show me the money Sent From My I1000 --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Richey myli...@battleop.com wrote: From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 10:04 PM What's the big deal? Just follow the instructions in the signature. Richey This email and any attachments (Message) may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the addressee, or if this Message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute it, and we ask that you please delete it (including all copies) and notify the sender by return email. Delivery of this Message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) shall not be deemed a waiver of confidentiality and/or a privilege. By reading this you agree to send the sender $10,000 in small unmarked bills. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Wow! I've been on this list since May 2004. Time sure flies! Thats back when Marlon really talked a lot - lol! -RickG On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
LOL, and that is at the BOTTOM of the message. Most people follow the traditional American way of readingFrom the top down. Makes NO sense to me.(hey, and no offense to the bottom posters)... I have learned to examine the entire post, although I misconstrue it too much(Jack)? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:04:23 -0400 What's the big deal? Just follow the instructions in the signature. Richey This email and any attachments (Message) may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the addressee, or if this Message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute it, and we ask that you please delete it (including all copies) and notify the sender by return email. Delivery of this Message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) shall not be deemed a waiver of confidentiality and/or a privilege. By reading this you agree to send the sender $10,000 in small unmarked bills. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Wow! I've been on this list since May 2004. Time sure flies! Thats back when Marlon really talked a lot - lol! -RickG On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
yep,gotta read it all! fune Sent From My I1000 --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 11:35 PM LOL, and that is at the BOTTOM of the message. Most people follow the traditional American way of readingFrom the top down. Makes NO sense to me.(hey, and no offense to the bottom posters)... I have learned to examine the entire post, although I misconstrue it too much(Jack)? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:04:23 -0400 What's the big deal? Just follow the instructions in the signature. Richey This email and any attachments (Message) may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the addressee, or if this Message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute it, and we ask that you please delete it (including all copies) and notify the sender by return email. Delivery of this Message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) shall not be deemed a waiver of confidentiality and/or a privilege. By reading this you agree to send the sender $10,000 in small unmarked bills. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Wow! I've been on this list since May 2004. Time sure flies! Thats back when Marlon really talked a lot - lol! -RickG On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Yep, this is where it cracks me up...and a small telco, none the less. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
Many states requires just that one party is aware of the recording. Some states require two party. This is why you hear at most places when you call in a recorded message that your call might be recorded. I love the thing about might there is no might or may about it. They all are but rarely reviewed or used. Kansas for example is a one party state so a company that record for quality assurance don't necessary need to state that as long as their employees know. But it gets bit more sticky if someone calls interstate from a state that require two party if a lawsuit is field in the one party state your ok but if the other part files in his state that requires two part and it wasn't disclosed at the start of the phone call then the recording wouldn't be accepted by the court. If you tell during the phone call anything said before the other party was informed would not be accepted in the courts in a state that require two party knowledge. The thing about those silly confidential signatures. they been thrown out more then once in court so just a waste of time. Especially if your not intended recipient if it was sent to your email it was intended for you. What it would protect against is someone that hacked another's account but someone that did that wouldn't be afraid of a silly signature like that plus you would have to catch him as well. So just a waste of time. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:49:32 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Yep, this is where it cracks me up...and a small telco, none the less. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
