Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network
The range can be quite high. If he's counting labor maybe, otherwise that seems like a lot. marlon - Original Message - From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not the customers but just the network and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit his customers - that was the deal. It works out to $500 / customer. For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me. It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't really understand. It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere. Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the solar/wind powered sites... I'm well under $100/customer for network infrastructure outside of the CPE. Am I the one way different, or is he? Or, is this wide range normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network
Well at $49.95 monthly your ROI is 10monthswill he finance out of income? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not the customers but just the network and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit his customers - that was the deal. It works out to $500 / customer. For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me. It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't really understand. It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere. Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the solar/wind powered sites... I'm well under $100/customer for network infrastructure outside of the CPE. Am I the one way different, or is he? Or, is this wide range normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network
If you're buying the customers what you should look at is the revenue. At $41.67/mo/customer (or $500/customer) buyout seems very steep. If he's looking to get out and has no other options I am certain you can lower that price. Also express that a network of Ubnt, lots of private IPs, and a hassle expected once you take over isn't worth paying top dollar for. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not the customers but just the network and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit his customers - that was the deal. It works out to $500 / customer. For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me. It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't really understand. It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere. Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the solar/wind powered sites... I'm well under $100/customer for network infrastructure outside of the CPE. Am I the one way different, or is he? Or, is this wide range normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network
At 50/mo an ROI of 10 months you would need 90%+ profit. If the current owner is getting that I don't think he'd be wanting out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: Well at $49.95 monthly your ROI is 10monthswill he finance out of income? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not the customers but just the network and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit his customers - that was the deal. It works out to $500 / customer. For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me. It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't really understand. It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere. Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the solar/wind powered sites... I'm well under $100/customer for network infrastructure outside of the CPE. Am I the one way different, or is he? Or, is this wide range normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network
assuming a monthly of $40 or so it doesn't seem out of line... A good starting point, IMHO is 1x yearly revenue. MDK wrote: There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not "the customers" but just "the network" and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit his customers - that was the "deal". It works out to $500 / customer. For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me. It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't really understand. It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere. Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the solar/wind powered sites... I'm well under $100/customer for network infrastructure outside of the CPE. Am I the one way different, or is he? Or, is this wide range normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network
10 months only if the $49.95 is pure profit. Presumably the ROI is really more like 40 months assuming you keep the customer for that long. That or I'm having a brain melt-down and confusing something. There was just recently (in the past week or so) a long discussion of valuations on the WISPA members list. You might look in the archives for a range of ways to look at the question. Chuck On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: Well at $49.95 monthly your ROI is 10monthswill he finance out of income? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not the customers but just the network and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit his customers - that was the deal. It works out to $500 / customer. For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me. It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't really understand. It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere. Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the solar/wind powered sites... I'm well under $100/customer for network infrastructure outside of the CPE. Am I the one way different, or is he? Or, is this wide range normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network
$500/customer doesn't seem that bad. Someone tried to get me to pay $1500/customer for a network that needed a lot of work. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not the customers but just the network and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit his customers - that was the deal. It works out to $500 / customer. For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me. It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't really understand. It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere. Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the solar/wind powered sites... I'm well under $100/customer for network infrastructure outside of the CPE. Am I the one way different, or is he? Or, is this wide range normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network
If he's a small network you could probably install in the same area for your 100 bucks per. He wants out anyhow. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network Well at $49.95 monthly your ROI is 10monthswill he finance out of income? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not the customers but just the network and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit his customers - that was the deal. It works out to $500 / customer. For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me. It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't really understand. It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere. Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the solar/wind powered sites... I'm well under $100/customer for network infrastructure outside of the CPE. Am I the one way different, or is he? Or, is this wide range normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
