Re: [WISPA] new list
This is disappointing. IF you read the Mission Statement and Goals of WISPA, you would understand that this forum is not the place to vent or air ill feelings. We are supposed to be a community of peers that can look to each other for support and encouragement as we pursue of business goals. Freedom of speech in these public forums is not intended to be the freedom to complain or bash each other, let alone the organization that provides the service. I would suggest that those that feel that need should find another venue so the rest can continue on per the goals and mission as defined. Bobby Burrow WISPA Supporter From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
Kinda looks that way. :-) -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support On 1/24/11 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the
Re: [WISPA] new list
From what I can tell, it's AFMUG with the ability to talk about reflectors and anything negative (problems, not mindless bashing) about stingers. WISPA has their rules. I understand and agree with them. But this list isn't going to lose any money or confidence if someone throws business cards into a fire... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-request@wug.ccwith subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] new list
I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] new list
I have never involved myself with AFMUG, but it sounds kind of like the Mikrotik forum, only without the Communist excuse. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/24/2011 12:18 PM, support wrote: I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] new list
That is my concern as well. I actually just looked at the public WISPA list for the first time today in a week. I prefer to post to the specific WISPA Manufacture or Membership lists and avoid the non-member list as much as possible. I do get some good info there from time to time. But this new list being posted on an already free public forum bothered me. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] new list
LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] new list
What is the link for Butches Mikotik list, is it listed under a WISPA lists page? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA
Re: [WISPA] new list
So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + c-nsp + j-nsp). I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup. Then I'm going to monetize the writeup. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ
Re: [WISPA] new list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 H. The legalities of monetizing that write up are sketchy. :) A good idea though. I've considered subscribing to a bunch more lists and having some automated systems pick out anything interesting. I follow WISPA/NANOG. A few local lists (amazing how diverse socal/los angeles tech is). I was on c-nsp but that was crazy. On 01/24/2011 10:32 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote: So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + c-nsp + j-nsp). I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup. Then I'm going to monetize the writeup. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users
Re: [WISPA] new list
On 01/24/2011 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: What is the link for Butches Mikotik list, is it listed under a WISPA lists page? http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik The archives are open if you would like to peruse them to see if this is a useful list for you. WISPA has a MT list as well, though it is (generally) not as busy as mine. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * *NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
It's off of his web site, butchevans.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/24/2011 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: What is the link for Butches Mikotik list, is it listed under a WISPA lists page? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: supportsupp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe
Re: [WISPA] new list
We have tried to learn from others mistakes in the past and adjust our mailing list rules to our subscriber's requests as necessary. There is unfortunately a segment of our industry that believes WISPA is a vendor and we are out to sell memberships (get in their pocketbook). It almost offends me in a way as I look at all of the volunteer efforts from across the country that has gone into building our trade association. The way I look at it, WISPA is not selling memberships; it is seeking support for all of the hard work and legal expenses that are incurred on behalf of the industry. Much as you support your local church, Elks lodge or any other charitable organization. The difference being, that most of the accomplishments of WISPA are still accomplished by volunteer efforts with the exception of legal and administrative functions such as my position, hosting the webpages and accounting functions. I'm a realist and I know that we will never convince every operator of that. However, I will continue to work diligently to develop programs, discounts, marketing ideas and other things that potential members will see as tangible benefits above and beyond the intangible lobbying and educational work that we already do. To all those that support WISPAThank you very much! Our voice is getting louder and more meaningful with every new member that joins our efforts. Join WISPA http://join.wispa.org/ As a team, we can accomplish much, as individuals, we might as well through the towel in. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been
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Hear here, join up, it can not hurt. Our small niche industry needs a collective voice much as other industries have and yes at this time WISPA is it. Our industry drives the bigger boys and grows innovation whether anyone wants to belive it or not. We keep them on their toes and you have to think to yourself, would the big boys be where they are as soon without us ? ( insert girls where needed for political correctness ) -- Original Message -- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:40:41 -0500 We have tried to learn from others mistakes in the past and adjust our mailing list rules to our subscriber's requests as necessary. There is unfortunately a segment of our industry that believes WISPA is a vendor and we are out to sell memberships (get in their pocketbook). It almost offends me in a way as I look at all of the volunteer efforts from across the country that has gone into building our trade association. The way I look at it, WISPA is not selling memberships; it is seeking support for all of the hard work and legal expenses that are incurred on behalf of the industry. Much as you support your local church, Elks lodge or any other charitable organization. The difference being, that most of the accomplishments of WISPA are still accomplished by volunteer efforts with the exception of legal and administrative functions such as my position, hosting the webpages and accounting functions. I'm a realist and I know that we will never convince every operator of that. However, I will continue to work diligently to develop programs, discounts, marketing ideas and other things that potential members will see as tangible benefits above and beyond the intangible lobbying and educational work that we already do. To all those that support WISPAThank you very much! Our voice is getting louder and more meaningful with every new member that joins our efforts. Join WISPA http://join.wispa.org/ As a team, we can accomplish much, as individuals, we might as well through the towel in. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material
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Can you imagine where we would be if the duopoly's were allowed free reign at the FCC and Congress. WISPA does keep them in check now and we plan to in the future. It used to be that they (RBOCs and Cable Companies) just wrote legislation and found a sponsor for it and Congress or the FCC just signed the dotted line. It is not that way anymore. We are the people and we are putting our foot down. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list Hear here, join up, it can not hurt. Our small niche industry needs a collective voice much as other industries have and yes at this time WISPA is it. Our industry drives the bigger boys and grows innovation whether anyone wants to belive it or not. We keep them on their toes and you have to think to yourself, would the big boys be where they are as soon without us ? ( insert girls where needed for political correctness ) -- Original Message -- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:40:41 -0500 We have tried to learn from others mistakes in the past and adjust our mailing list rules to our subscriber's requests as necessary. There is unfortunately a segment of our industry that believes WISPA is a vendor and we are out to sell memberships (get in their pocketbook). It almost offends me in a way as I look at all of the volunteer efforts from across the country that has gone into building our trade association. The way I look at it, WISPA is not selling memberships; it is seeking support for all of the hard work and legal expenses that are incurred on behalf of the industry. Much as you support your local church, Elks lodge or any other charitable organization. The difference being, that most of the accomplishments of WISPA are still accomplished by volunteer efforts with the exception of legal and administrative functions such as my position, hosting the webpages and accounting functions. I'm a realist and I know that we will never convince every operator of that. However, I will continue to work diligently to develop programs, discounts, marketing ideas and other things that potential members will see as tangible benefits above and beyond the intangible lobbying and educational work that we already do. To all those that support WISPAThank you very much! Our voice is getting louder and more meaningful with every new member that joins our efforts. Join WISPA http://join.wispa.org/ As a team, we can accomplish much, as individuals, we might as well through the towel in. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/24/2011 10:40 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: We have tried to learn from others mistakes in the past and adjust our mailing list rules to our subscriber's requests as necessary. Of course. This is the sign of a mature and well run community. There is unfortunately a segment of our industry that believes WISPA is a vendor and we are out to sell memberships (get in their pocketbook). That's unfortunate. It almost offends me in a way as I look at all of the volunteer efforts from across the country that has gone into building our trade association. Yes. I'm offended by it as well. The way I look at it, WISPA is not selling memberships; it is seeking support for all of the hard work and legal expenses that are incurred on behalf of the industry. Absolutely. Also WISPA operates this very list free of charge. It has a charter to keep things civil and productive. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LARGE MAILING LIST OUT THERE!! I have no problems with the charter, and would be concerned if you didn't have one. The difference being, that most of the accomplishments of WISPA are still accomplished by volunteer efforts with the exception of legal and administrative functions such as my position, hosting the webpages and accounting functions. Exactly. This is the same as any other trade organization/association. However, I will continue to work diligently to develop programs, discounts, marketing ideas and other things that potential members will see as tangible benefits above and beyond the intangible lobbying and educational work that we already do. Well I have to disagree. I think the lobbying/educational work is very tangible. It's produced amazing end products that everyone in the industry benefits from. :) To all those that support WISPAThank you very much! Our voice is getting louder and more meaningful with every new member that joins our efforts. Join WISPA http://join.wispa.org/ As a team, we can accomplish much, as individuals, we might as well through the towel in. I couldn't have said it better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNPgPsAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtsW8QAIACYOYsoo01RtqC5bqk6Uju EopA2JYxqvK+dosHxc9JF1Td5BVy8FSc0lMHLIHXo+bNEAzoymkBYcGn+dIuFha7 71ATmLD/cTWx1H8Otpv9J93MKSPy1zvafFTfzNA8rQ4u27ygW+qVTY2NvQEUFN5C IUrAcTFNnMYM+Wy3FWELLTg9WWlKrNELprJRdUSe0zo2Hg2Z+RcOHLPMaR41pFuS elwlvakSHNY2A6Rd3ZxyvfB8BkfZFbhzQnTgBhzFPv4v8BlOcwTbJZKAKw7mgNWc E5pUmb7y8oEKv6xXOmrcM6/qu/ccrWI1ruZbuToMIHZcxASEnds7GFajUPYc2be3 O62dq8o7CUi5J6+HqG80o9bBo4YOSOZF2AnNpd3dSmrv3gL/EqdkwvfIzkQxfrVo CgloZw5QDdhtZbJ0TWYH7BNwQvXirjRDTVpyk7AUpjsY+bOGukH3J9iID5AKGWMo iQzzOo13j6yElU/grQDBV8THEjUBZwKitKxKI5VNbIVfn+28WZSyczsFN+xXujkQ 4lUJ40dVQ0UOvGu1q5rI2wVi4+cb33kZYA8zS7N4+TRvpsq1PjMQHcPjQSm7sdtf qWauTfbM6dPUgE4WbxRCVQDvPLL5zudC+b1Ktz04bMBxNs1PBFvDjLHoOa4+SycQ vwj1C31QH2SZ3CQ+uSL6 =k2Uf -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I think Alex Goldman is already doing that and posting on the WISPA page. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:32 PM To: 'spie...@avolve.net'; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + c-nsp + j-nsp). I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup. Then I'm going to monetize the writeup. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create
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I would imagine most of Alex's News of Note articles are summaries of his mailing list readings. I tweet these articles soon after he posts them. If you follow wispaboard or set up an RSS feed on the WISPA homepage, you will get notifications on when the articles are posted. He just did one yesterday. You can also review his articles at Alex Goldman's Library http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=1643 . Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list I think Alex Goldman is already doing that and posting on the WISPA page. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:32 PM To: 'spie...@avolve.net'; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + c-nsp + j-nsp). I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup. Then I'm going to monetize the writeup. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due
Re: [WISPA] new list
Alex's articles are a great read if you have not found them yet. He has a darn good pulse on the WISP industry. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:14:07 -0500 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com, 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list I would imagine most of Alex's News of Note articles are summaries of his mailing list readings. I tweet these articles soon after he posts them. If you follow wispaboard or set up an RSS feed on the WISPA homepage, you will get notifications on when the articles are posted. He just did one yesterday. You can also review his articles at Alex Goldman's Library http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=1643 . Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list I think Alex Goldman is already doing that and posting on the WISPA page. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:32 PM To: 'spie...@avolve.net'; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + c-nsp + j-nsp). I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup. Then I'm going to monetize the writeup. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs
Re: [WISPA] new list
My thoughts too. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn
Re: [WISPA] New List Server - VERY IMPORTANT
For clarification the new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list should have gone to ALL paid WISPA members including Associate, Principal and Vendor members. It is imperative we get any issues addressed before Friday to avoid passing over any potential votes in the election. Scriv John Scrivner wrote: There is a new list server in WISPA called [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are a paid member and have not seen messages sent to you from that list in the last 2 days then please contact me offlist, [EMAIL PROTECTED], right away. This has an impact on your ability to vote in the board election on Friday so PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED EMAIL FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] IF YOU ARE A PAID WISPA MEMBER. Do this now please. Thank you, Scriv No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
