[WiX-users] hyperlinks and MSI 5.0

2015-06-01 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi all, I would like to add hyperlink text to the Bootstrapper and to Condition messages within the MSI Within the MSI I have set up MSI 5.0: InstallerVersion=500 Then tried: Condition Message=Requires the Microsoft .NET Framework 4.52 To download the requirement please visit: lt;a

[WiX-users] Can you replace a MSI in a Burn/Bootstrapper package?

2015-04-21 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi folks, Just a quick question I think I know the answer but I want to make sure... Here is what I have done... Did a build in the morning which created my products MSI's. Created an uncompressed Bootstrapper project that has the EXE and RedistSuite folder with all my product (multiple

[WiX-users] Building WIX on build machine issues...

2015-04-16 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi folks, I have a Build VM where I have installed VS2012 but have NOT installed WIX 3.9 I have rebuilt WIX 3.9 with some changes to the bootstrapper (I added some pre requisite checks that our product requires) (If I install WIX 3.9 and replace the binaries built and is good, but we do not want

[WiX-users] bizarre trying to install MSI but it thinks it is installed but can't find any references to it

2015-03-17 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi all, I have a client that is trying to install our product on one of their systems. One of our MSI's (a service installer) is skipped when installing our product using the Bootstrapper, it runs the pre reqs, it runs our 1st install, skips the service install and tries to run our client

Re: [WiX-users] burn and upgrades

2015-03-02 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
is there a way in the burn.sln to detect if it is an upgrade or not? sample code I am using: // ** Is Bootstrapper EXE running? PROCESSENTRY32 entry; entry.dwSize = sizeof(PROCESSENTRY32); hSnapShot = CreateToolhelp32Snapshot(TH32CS_SNAPPROCESS, NULL); int iCount =

[WiX-users] burn and upgrades

2015-03-02 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi folks, quick question... MSI can use the property WIX_UPGRADE_DETECTED to determine if an upgrade is in progress, does burn have a similar property to determine if an upgrade is happening with the Bootstrapper? if not then what is the point of having the UpgradeCode in the bundle? thanks,

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade issue

2015-02-27 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
I could really use some help with this... -- View this message in context: http://windows-installer-xml-wix-toolset.687559.n2.nabble.com/Upgrade-issue-tp7599324p7599393.html Sent from the wix-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade issue

2015-02-27 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Sigh... False alarm.. I am an IDIOT... I put code in to ensure a 2nd running Bootstrapper isn't running... duh... so on uninstall of the Bootstrapper it quits (because it is the 2nd one) and doesn't remove it self... Guess I didn't think of upgrades... will have to think of how to distinguish

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade issue [P]

2015-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Classification: Public Hey Phil, I am not using RollbackBoundry/ at all I have 1 EXE (SQL Server Express 2012 CU2) and 1 MSI only (but I have to MsiPackage's one for a silent install and one for non silent) The only PackageGroupRef I have is for .NET i.e. Chain PackageGroupRef

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade issue [P]

2015-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Classification: Public same This message has been marked as Public by Steven Ogilvie on February-25-15 3:48:49 PM. The above classification labels were added to the message by TITUS Message Classification. For more information visit www.titus.comhttp://www.titus.com/. [Latest TITUS

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade issue [P]

2015-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Classification: Public The version changed from 15.1.4.x to 15.2.4.x and the GUID changed and the upgradecode remained the same... This message has been marked as Public by Steven Ogilvie on February-25-15 3:53:03 PM. The above classification labels were added to the message by TITUS Message

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade issue

2015-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hey Phil, I am not using RollbackBoundry/ at all I have 1 EXE (SQL Server Express 2012 CU2) and 1 MSI only (but I have to MsiPackage’s one for a silent install and one for non silent) The only PackageGroupRef I have is for .NET i.e. Chain PackageGroupRef Id=Netfx4Full/

[WiX-users] Upgrade issue

2015-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi folks, I have an installer (MSI) with a bootstrapper, installs and uninstalls perfectly The GUID is set to * and the upgrade code is the same each build. (the version of the MSI/Bootstrapper and binaries that we are installing is 15.1.4.x) To test that an Upgrade will work, I have built our

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade issue

2015-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Once again, the “new” build was a one off build with the version number changed to make it a major upgrade… Version changed: Old 15.1.4.x New 15.2.4.x GUID changes every build Upgrade Code remains the same steve -- View this message in context:

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade issue [P]

2015-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Classification: Public Once again, the “new” build was a one off build with the version number changed to make it a major upgrade… Version changed: Old 15.1.4.x New 15.2.4.x GUID changes every build Upgrade Code remains the same steve This message has been marked as Public by

[WiX-users] Bootstrapper and buttons...

2014-12-02 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
I have modified the theme for the boostrappers I am using but I noticed on the Welcome screen hitting the enter key does not advance to the next screen is this a bug in 3.8 or as designed? Steve -- View this message in context:

[WiX-users] setting permissions when creating folder...

2014-11-12 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi all, I am setting a permission on a folder: Component Id=quot;cmp_ProgramDataPermServquot; Guid=quot;lt;some guid Permanent=no Shared=no CreateFolder util:PermissionEx User=NETWORK SERVICE GenericWrite=yes GenericRead=yes / /CreateFolder This has been

Re: [WiX-users] setting permissions when creating folder... [P]

2014-11-12 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Classification: Public So below is to translate localservice built in account, cool Thanks, Steve Sigh Why would Microsoft localize specific accounts, guest/administrator/network service/localsystem etc... sigh... [Latest TITUS News!]http://www.titus.com/TMCPolicy_footer_link_landingpage.php

Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: setting permissions when creating folder... [GB]

2014-11-12 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Classification: General Business So I would use: util:PermissionEx User=[WIX_ACCOUNT_NETWORKSERVICE] GenericWrite=yes GenericRead=yes / ?? Steve [Latest TITUS News!]http://www.titus.com/TMCPolicy_footer_link_landingpage.php This message has been marked as General Business by Steven

Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: setting permissions when creating folder... [GB]

2014-11-12 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
so is using this okay?? [WIX_ACCOUNT_NETWORKSERVICE]? util:PermissionEx User=[WIX_ACCOUNT_NETWORKSERVICE] GenericWrite=yes GenericRead=yes / -- View this message in context:

[WiX-users] burn upgrades...

2014-10-31 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Am I missing something here? I have installed my product with version 14.8.6.x. Each build the GUID is changed, i.e.: ?define ProductCode = *? The UpgradeCode is not changed, i.e.: “?define UpgradeCode = 2E416B87-7FB9-4A28-9A7E-?” The bundle.wxs has: Bundle Name=$(var.ProductName)

[WiX-users] Patch question (been a while since I did patches, and haven't used WIX for Patches)

2014-09-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Here is what I did: created: patch\rtm which holds the admin install of the RTM version of our software (WIX 3.5 MSI 3.0) patch\upp which holds the latest hotfix admin install of our software (WIX 3.5, MSI 3.0) patch\tempholds icons/binaries that are internal to MSI rtm

Re: [WiX-users] Patch question (been a while since I did patches, and haven't used WIX for Patches) [P]

2014-09-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Merryweather Cooper Senior Software Engineer | Enterprise Service Applications | Continuing Development Jack Henry Associates, Inc.® | Lenexa, KS 66214 | Ext: 431050 |[hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7596994i=0 -Original Message- From: Steve-Ogilvie [mailto:[hidden email]/user

[WiX-users] easy way to exclude installing merge module from product.wxs source file?

2014-09-12 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hey Instead of creating a new MSI installer for our services for a new project I want to use our old services MSI... However I want to disable installing the merge modules via a MSI property... I have: Merge Id=EnterpriseService1ServicesMM DiskId=1

[WiX-users] create registry value with product code

2014-08-22 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi all, I require to create a registry key with the product code, which I have set up like so: in a Variable.wxi file: ?define ProductCode = *? in my product.wxs I have: Product Id=quot;$(var.ProductCode)quot; registry value as: lt;RegistryValue Type=quot;stringquot; Name=quot;Uninstall

Re: [WiX-users] create registry value with product code

2014-08-22 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
thanks John, I will try that out steve -- View this message in context: http://windows-installer-xml-wix-toolset.687559.n2.nabble.com/create-registry-value-with-product-code-tp7596476p7596479.html Sent from the wix-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [WiX-users] trying to add XML element to a web.config file

2014-08-21 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Got it working :) AND it is the last line in the parent element which is perfect... now to figure out how to remove it on uninstall, I guess it would be the same as install but uninstall? util:XmlConfig Id=XmlWebConfigAddCreate File=[DIRECTORY_PATH_CLIENT]Web.Config

Re: [WiX-users] trying to add XML element to a web.config file

2014-08-21 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
thanks James and Nicholas... phew trial and error and Google for about a day and a half :) steve -- View this message in context: http://windows-installer-xml-wix-toolset.687559.n2.nabble.com/trying-to-add-XML-element-to-a-web-config-file-tp7596447p7596456.html Sent from the wix-users mailing

Re: [WiX-users] trying to add XML element to a web.config file

2014-08-21 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
thanks Nicholas, got it removed on uninstall :) util:XmlConfig Id=XmlWebConfigAddRemove File=[DIRECTORY_PATH_CLIENT]Web.Config Action=delete Node=element ElementPath=//configuration/location/system.webServer/modules

[WiX-users] trying to add XML element to a web.config file

2014-08-20 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi folks, I am trying to add a new element to a web.config file, new element would be similar to: add type=Blah, Blah.2.2013 name=AppCacheModule / The web.config file looks like this (it has other add elements under the modules element: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? configuration location

Re: [WiX-users] trying to add XML element to a web.config file

2014-08-20 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Okay I have it working... the only problem is that it is replacing the first add element which I don't want, I want it to be a new lt;add element underneath the first... lt;util:XmlConfig Id=quot;XmlWebConfigAddCreatequot; File=quot;[DIRECTORY_PATH_CLIENT]Web.Configquot;

[WiX-users] question re changing MSI default behaviour

2014-08-18 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi Rob and Bob, Quick question. I would like your honest opinion about changing default MSI behavior, i.e. Upgrades by changing a WIX installer to modify its behavior to act like an upgrade when the version number has not changed? i.e. you have version 1.2.3.x installed and then the user

Re: [WiX-users] 2 questions re build to build stop installing...

2014-06-24 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
thanks David and Rob/Carter some basic testing and I came up with this: Upgrade Id =$(var.Upgrade) UpgradeVersion Property=SAMEFOUND IncludeMaximum=yes IncludeMinimum=yes Minimum=$(var.TCOVersion) Maximum=$(var.TCOVersion) OnlyDetect=yes/ /Upgrade Condition Message=The same version of

[WiX-users] 2 questions re build to build stop installing...

2014-06-23 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi folks, I have 2 questions... (Using WIX 3.8) 1. MSI I would like to stop build to build installs (bring up warning?) i.e. i have 14.4.6.7 installed, then I run today's build which is 14.4.6.8 (the product code is different, the upgrade code is the same) this is my upgrade element:

Re: [WiX-users] 2 questions re build to build stop installing...

2014-06-23 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
[via Windows Installer XML (WiX) toolset] [mailto:ml-node+s687559n7595419...@n2.nabble.com] Sent: June-23-14 3:53 PM To: Steven Ogilvie Subject: Re: 2 questions re build to build stop installing... Set the ProductCodes to the same value as 14.4.6.7 in both situations Carter Quoting Steve-Ogilvie

Re: [WiX-users] 2 questions re build to build stop installing...

2014-06-23 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
to build stop installing... It's possible using Upgrade element. ___ FireGiant | Dedicated support for the WiX toolset | http://www.firegiant.com/ -Original Message- From: Steve-Ogilvie [mailto:[hidden email]/user

Re: [WiX-users] Upgrading...

2014-06-09 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
what if at build time I change the name of the MSI to be the same as the original MSI's name and use the same upgrade code? Would that work ? Steve -- View this message in context: http://windows-installer-xml-wix-toolset.687559.n2.nabble.com/Upgrading-tp7595079p7595124.html Sent from the

[WiX-users] Upgrading...

2014-06-05 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
I have a quick question... We released 4.2.0.x about 3 months ago. and our Services MSI was named TITUS_Services_Setup_x86 we shipped only the 32 bit services with our Client installer with a different GUID and upgrade code. now we have changed our Services MSI to TITUS_Client_Services_x86 and

Re: [WiX-users] Is there some existing tool I can use when I work with WiX localization?

2014-05-19 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Check out the ThmViewer.exe in the WIX bin folder. To view a theme file without having to build a bundle, you can use the ThmViewer.exe which is located in %WIX%\bin\. It sometimes is a hit and miss that it works, it is very fussy... Steve (for it to work I needed to copy ALL my resource

[WiX-users] what exactly is this: WixMsiNetAssemblySupport?

2014-05-06 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
I can't find any help on it but I am curious what is the difference between this: CustomAction Id=WixMsiNetAssemblySupport Error=This application requires .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1. Please turn on this feature in the Control Panel or install manually/ InstallExecuteSequence Custom

[WiX-users] within MSI capture user cancelled...

2014-04-26 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi On an upgrade (after the user selected yes to upgrade on a messagebox) I stop our Web App Pool, and our Web Site. However if the user Cancels the install BEFORE choosing to install the upgrade (verify ready screen install button) our application is in limbo because the web app pool and web

Re: [WiX-users] displaying action data text in ExecuteProgressActionDataText

2014-03-08 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
well I guess I don't think this is a bug... However I did fix the issue. 1. took '.' out of my progress text strings 2. changed balextension DLL (WixStandardBootstrapperApplication.cpp) in method: OnExecuteMsiMessage from: ThemeSetTextControl(m_pTheme,

[WiX-users] DTF custom action not working but an almost identical is...

2014-03-04 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi folks, I have spent WAY TOO much time on this... I get an error 1154 (please don't tell me to refer to blah blah) I have 2 custom actions... 1 works, the other doesn't The custom action CA_UPGRADE_GET_WEBPORTNUM works, the CA_UPGRADE_GET_CONNECTSTR doesn't... scenario: When we run an

Re: [WiX-users] DTF custom action not working but an almost identical is...

2014-03-04 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Subject: Re: DTF custom action not working but an almost identical is... You've seen this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3560370/custom-action-in-c-sharp-used-via-wix-fails-with-error-1154 --- Phil Wilson On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Steve-Ogilvie [hidden email]/user

Re: [WiX-users] alt key in bootstrapper messes up the foreground/background of controls

2014-03-03 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
This was frustrating, I ended up taking out the background .png and got a new image for the side banner .png that is only 1/3 of the real-estate so that the controls do not sit on top of the image... Hitting ALT key would ALWAYS set the controls to the background and the background image and side

Re: [WiX-users] displaying action data text in ExecuteProgressActionDataText

2014-03-03 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Another frustrating item I have had to take out of the bootstrapper :( Text Name=ExecuteProgressActionDataText X=11 Y=163 Width=-11 Height=17 FontId=3 DisablePrefix=yes/ I ONLY want the progressText of the Action Text displayed (as it does in a MSI) however the bootstrapper is displaying all

Re: [WiX-users] alt key in bootstrapper messes up the foreground/background of controls

2014-02-26 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Has anyone else had this issue?? have a bitmap that covers text/button/etc controls... launch your bootstrapper, then hit the ALT key, do your controls go in the background (behind the bitmap?) Steve anyone know of a work around??? STeve -- View this message in context:

Re: [WiX-users] alt key in bootstrapper messes up the foreground/background of controls

2014-02-26 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
sorry if I sound dimwitted... what does that have to do with controls going into the background and the images into the foreground? i.e. launch bootstrapper and I have a light gray background image to have the full area of the bootstrapper dialog a light gray colour (couldn't see how to change

[WiX-users] how to keep a web site during upgrade...

2014-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi, I am not sure if I can do this but... I have created a web site using the WIX IIS::WebAppPool/IIS::WebSite/IIS::WebServiceExtension/IIS::WebDir I would like to know if there is a way NOT to remove the website during an upgrade? (major upgrade, does an uninstall then install...) thanks,

Re: [WiX-users] how to keep a web site during upgrade...

2014-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
. ___ FireGiant | Dedicated support for the WiX toolset | http://www.firegiant.com/ -Original Message- From: Steve-Ogilvie [mailto:[hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7592936i=0] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:48

Re: [WiX-users] how to keep a web site during upgrade...

2014-02-25 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Then how do you uninstall it? -- View this message in context: http://windows-installer-xml-wix-toolset.687559.n2.nabble.com/how-to-keep-a-web-site-during-upgrade-tp7592935p7592937.html Sent from the wix-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [WiX-users] transparent background on text that changes i.e.: OverallProgressPackageText leaves solid background of text foreground colour in Bootstrapper

2014-02-24 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
://wixtoolset.org/issues/4325/ -Original Message- From: Steve-Ogilvie [mailto:[hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7592882i=0] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 9:27 AM To: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7592882i=1 Subject: Re: [WiX-users] transparent background on text

Re: [WiX-users] alt key in bootstrapper messes up the foreground/background of controls

2014-02-24 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
what happens when you click the ALT key? -- View this message in context: http://windows-installer-xml-wix-toolset.687559.n2.nabble.com/alt-key-in-bootstrapper-messes-up-the-foreground-background-of-controls-tp7592823p7592885.html Sent from the wix-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [WiX-users] transparent background on text that changes i.e.: OverallProgressPackageText leaves solid background of text foreground colour in Bootstrapper

2014-02-22 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
sigh looks like I will have to remove the background image and the side banner image and cut the side banner image to just use the first 1/3 of the dialog... too bad, since the UI looked really nice and what management wanted! -- View this message in context:

Re: [WiX-users] alt key in bootstrapper messes up the foreground/background of controls

2014-02-22 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
sigh looks like I will have to remove the background image and the side banner image and cut the side banner image to just use the first 1/3 of the dialog... too bad, since the UI looked really nice and what management wanted! -- View this message in context:

Re: [WiX-users] alt key in bootstrapper messes up the foreground/background of controls

2014-02-21 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
I really need help with this, management is asking me to put in the background image and the side banner image in the bootstrapper but as soon as you hit the ALT key the other controls go in the background -- View this message in context:

Re: [WiX-users] transparent background on text that changes i.e.: OverallProgressPackageText leaves solid background of text foreground colour in Bootstrapper

2014-02-21 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
I really need help on this! I have a background image that is the same (or really close) to the background colour of the MSI progress page (light gray) but the progress text and action text has a white background don't know how to get the same hexidecimal numbers for the light gray I choose.

Re: [WiX-users] alt key in bootstrapper messes up the foreground/background of controls

2014-02-21 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
okay to see if it was my stuff that was messing up, I created a new boostrapper project I took the RTF theme xml/wxl from the 3.8 RTM source added my background.png (used MS Paint 500 x 390 light gray color saved as png) launch the bootstrapper and the background bitmap is covering the whole

[WiX-users] alt key in bootstrapper messes up the foreground/background of controls

2014-02-20 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi using WIX 3.8 create a Bootstrapper and have a side panel bitmap for the welcome screen, hit the ALT key on keyboard and the controls on top of the .png are now behind the bitmap... Anyway I can fix this? I have tried various hexstyle to no avail... hmm weird, but if I go next from

[WiX-users] transparent background on text that changes i.e.: OverallProgressPackageText leaves solid background of text foreground colour in Bootstrapper

2014-02-20 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi, Using Burn 3.8 On the progress page I have a background that is similar (as close as I good get) to the MSI screen background (a light gray) I am using: Segoe UI (transparent background) or Segoe UI (white background) Text Name=OverallProgressPackageText X=85 Y=121 Width=-11

Re: [WiX-users] displaying action data text in ExecuteProgressActionDataText

2014-02-19 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
In the bootstrapper the burn engine is tacking on: Action time: CustomAction name. progress text I don't believe I can change the first two elements (Action time:) I am just using straight forward strings to describe what the custom action is doing, my dev manager wants to filter out the extra

Re: [WiX-users] Event Source not populating on upgrade... [P]

2014-02-19 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Sigh... I finally figured out what was causing this issue :( I was creating some registry values in EventLog\My Company and these registry keys had forcecreateoninstall forcedeleteonuninstall... Fixed that up... nuts! thanks, Steve -- View this message in context:

Re: [WiX-users] Event Source not populating on upgrade... [P]

2014-02-18 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
, do the other event sources show up? -Original Message- From: Steve-Ogilvie [mailto:[hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7592750i=2] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:41 PM To: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7592750i=3 Subject: [WiX-users] Event Source

[WiX-users] displaying action data text in ExecuteProgressActionDataText

2014-02-17 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi, I have ExecuteProgressActionDataText set in the bootstrapper: Action: Time: ActionName Action Text I would like to just show: ActionName Action Text Is it this code that is setting the Action: Time: in WIUTIL.cpp case INSTALLMESSAGE_ACTIONDATA: if (WIU_MSI_PROGRESS_INVALID !=

[WiX-users] Event Source not populating on upgrade...

2014-02-17 Thread Steve-Ogilvie
Hi all, I have a RTM version of our software which has 2 client MSI’s The Event Source on the RTM install is fine, all there, but on the upgrade only 1 of the Event Source is showing up: RTM: PropertyRef Id=NETFRAMEWORK40FULLINSTALLROOTDIR/ PropertyRef Id=NETFRAMEWORK40FULLINSTALLROOTDIR64/

Re: [WiX-users] Extract contents of .MSP file just like dark does for.MSI

2012-09-13 Thread Steve Ogilvie
There is a nicer tool called instedit shows the relationship of each element... __ Steven Ogilvie 3 - 45 Bertrand Street Ottawa, ON Canada K1M 1Y5 Mobile: +1 613 299-2121 E-mail: sogil...@msn.com -Original Message- From: Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.com Date: