RE: [WSG] ordered list for events

2004-01-14 Thread Chris Stratford
That is border collapse. The borders appear the way they are because they are not table borders, but BLOCKS of text with borders. Thats how the a tag changes on mouse over without _javascript_. And it appears to be the whole table cell - Chris Stratford

Re: [WSG] ordered list for events

2004-01-14 Thread Gary Menzel
There's nothing wrong with tables, provided they are used for tabular data like rather than layout. webmail entries, invoices and payments etc medal tallies (in case you do Smiggins Holes 2010 Winter Olympics site) etc etc And why not a table of events ? (as in this instance) First

[WSG] the IE whitespace bug and insanity

2004-01-14 Thread Universal Head
Can I just express, perhaps for the several thousandth time here, how INCREDIBLY ANNOYING the Win IE whitespace bug is, and how it has been responsible for more frustration and wasted time than I can possibly express. If there are any newbies out there - remember, unwanted spaces appearing

Re: [WSG] ordered list - accessibility

2004-01-14 Thread russ weakley
Again, completely agree, Gary. There is another reason why tabular data is more beneficial if marked up using tables - accessibility! When a blind user comes to a table, they cannot *see* it as one unit, so they need ways of tying columns and rows together. You can do this with tables, you

[WSG] stumped by these ones

2004-01-14 Thread Universal Head
Hope someone can help me with these last problems - I'm stumped. See http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jands/ Everything's fine in Safari, Mac Mozilla Firebird, Win Netscape7.1 and Win IE5. In Win IE 6 the bottom right-hand image goes down underneath the others. I've tried everything and

Re: [WSG] stumped by these ones

2004-01-14 Thread James Ellis
Hey Thats a very nice site layout. I hope this helps... it's off the top of my head and untested. From what I can see you have two main content boxes, the top one contains features and latest news. The bottom one contains audio, lighting, staging. So, for the top one you could have a div

Re: [WSG] stumped by these ones

2004-01-14 Thread Anders Ebdrup
Hi! Try adding div style='clear: both;' before closing the subfeaturebox2 div: div class=subfeaturebox2div style='clear: both;'/div Hope this can help You! - Original Message - From: Universal Head [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:20

Re: [WSG] ordered list - accessibility

2004-01-14 Thread James Ellis
Hey Roger Hudson did a talk on accessible tables at Sydney moot last year and the resource is available here: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/documents/doc_6_accesstable.html and source here for Firebird users (I think Safari may handle this as well?):

[WSG] :hover hides text

2004-01-14 Thread Flemming Hoffmeyer
Hi all Im having two problems I was hoping you could give me a hint Problem 1: The text in the top div with the heading HF-Vestsjælland keeps disappearing when I hover the menu, or otherwise refreshes the page (i.e. changing windows) It only happens in IE as far as I know. It

[WSG] re: Sarari CSS

2004-01-14 Thread Vaska . WSG
Hi all, I actually hate to ask this, but awhile back I found a resource that had all the possible (both currently supported and not) CSS attributes for the Safari browser. Additionally, it also had Mozilla I believe. Does anybody know where I might find this (these)? Actually, I guess this

[WSG] QA practices

2004-01-14 Thread Gavin Thomas
HI, Just wanted to say hi - i have just joined this group and noticed that a lot of you are from Australia!.. are there ppl from elsewhere? I have been involved with web standards for about 6 months now and am a major advocate - I would like to know what Quality Assurance

Re: [WSG] re: Sarari CSS

2004-01-14 Thread russ weakley
Hi Vaska, Are you talking about a Safari browser support chart? Like this: http://www.macedition.com/cb/resources/macbrowsercsssupport.html Russ Hi all, I actually hate to ask this, but awhile back I found a resource that had all the possible (both currently supported and not) CSS

Re: [WSG] QA practices

2004-01-14 Thread russ weakley
Hi Gavin, Welcome to the WSG list! The WSG has members in many cities/countries. At present we have about 200 members (growing daily) including members from: Australia (NSW, Vic, WA), Austria, Belgium (4), Brazil (4), Canada (4), Denmark, France, Germany (2), Iceland, India (2), Italy (4),

Re: [WSG] ordered list for events

2004-01-14 Thread Kristof Neirynck
russ weakley wrote: Many ways to skin a cat. A standard table is acceptable but so is a definition list: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/jobs/css/peterottery.htm You could use negative margins to avoid the 3px bug that occurs when floating the dt's in msiewin.

RE: [WSG] Table or CSS?

2004-01-14 Thread Taco Fleur
Title: Message Crikey! This did the trick, but is it save to use and valid? .test1 { text-align: right; border: 1px solid red; display: block; position: absolute; width: 45%; } .test2 { text-align: left; border: 1px solid red; display: block; position: absolute; left:

Re: [WSG] Semi-direct contact with the IE development team?

2004-01-14 Thread James Ellis
quote: Another thing that the commenters generally aren't thinking of is how to get adoption. I keep pointing out that if we fixed the CSS and PNG issues, you still wouldn't be able to use those for years. Why? Cause consumers (and companies) really don't care about those issues and won't

Re: [WSG] stumped by these ones

2004-01-14 Thread Universal Head
Try adding div style='clear: both;' before closing the subfeaturebox2 div: div class=subfeaturebox2div style='clear: both;'/div This worked, but I can you explain why? If I add the 'clear:both' rule to the .subfeaturebox2 selector it doesn't work - only if I put it in the html as described

Re: [WSG] stumped by these ones

2004-01-14 Thread Universal Head
I'm beginning to flirt with the concept of despair - it seems everytime I fix something in one browser it causes a problem in another browser! I know there's a learning curve with this stuff but this is getting ridiculous. So far this site has taken me double the time it would take to do a

RE: [WSG] Recommended CSS navigation code?

2004-01-14 Thread Mark Stanton
The CUE templates have an interesting one - not perfect but has some strong points. http://www.qld.gov.au/web/cue/template/ Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com attachment:

RE: [WSG] good coding app

2004-01-14 Thread Stephen Dixon
It's not really any help for you Mac bods :) , but HTML-Kit (http://www.chami.com/html-kit/ ) is by far the best coding appthat I've found, free or otherwise. The base version IS free, which does everything I need it to do. Similar feature set to the aforementioned editor, highly

Re: [WSG] stumped by these ones

2004-01-14 Thread Universal Head
You've done great work so far - stick with it! But-slowly-going-insane- I know the feeling of frustration with this sort of stuff, but believe me it does get a bit easier with each site you build. What also happens is that maintenance on these sites becomes very easy as well. God I hope so

RE: [WSG] big trouble...still!

2004-01-14 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] big trouble...still! Can someone please check again for me? yep, its good to go, it did crash my IE6 on Win2k before, but all is fine now. pete

Re: [WSG] big trouble...still!

2004-01-14 Thread Gary Menzel
Can someone please check again for me? Checked it then in my IE6 (which crashed before). Works fine now. Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 If this

Re: [WSG] big trouble...still!

2004-01-14 Thread Chris Blown
This may be a caching issue. I tried it here and its OK on IE v6 ChrisB On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 13:38, stuart wrote: Received and e-mail today regarding the unexpected crashing of this page *still* http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm

RE: [WSG] big trouble...still!

2004-01-14 Thread Miles Tillinger
If the css is in a linked file, change the filename to prevent users getting the cached version. -Original Message- From: Chris Blown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] big trouble...still! This may be a caching

Re: [WSG] big trouble...still!

2004-01-14 Thread stuart
At 14:58 +1100 15/1/04, Peter Ottery wrote: Can someone please check again for me? yep, its good to go, it did crash my IE6 on Win2k before, but all is fine now. pete Pete, Chris, Gary, thanks so much, it is probably as I originally suspected a cache issue, thanks again for taking the time to