Hi John,
Some step-by-step tutorials that may be of help to you:
3 column layout with fixed edge columns:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/tutorial_intro.htm
3 column liquid layout:
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/liquid/
3 column semi-liquid layout:
John,
There is a great list of categorised CSS 3 Column layouts available
at the CSS Discuss Wiki:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ThreeColumnLayouts
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] Table-Free Design
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004
John,
If I want to find solid building blocks for a table-free layout, where
should I start?
I mean, I know there are hundreds of websites, but the recommendations
of this group ought to be particularly useful.
The thing is, I want a lot! In terms of the page, I'm simply looking
for
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Okay. When I wanted to learn I went straight to the guru Dave Shea.
He gave me the best 2 resources:
1. Eric Meyer on CSS You can find this book here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/073571245X/
qid=1071555113/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-5606242-1912942?v=glances=books
2.
Thanks everyone for your help so far. I'm getting very interested in
the work of Big John and Holly at http://positioniseverything.net/
and Alex at http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/ which I certainly wasn't
familiar with. Their code is as light on the hacks as possible, but
also fully flexible and
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 23:44, James Ellis wrote:
What I've done is probably not done often but it is worth considering.
Firefox ships with its minimum font size turned off.
I also use the very same setting.
It can be a common adjustment for people who use XFree86 or X.org under
unix ( and
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Hello,
While test viewing some future pages on an XDAII PDA, I saw
the content text was being pushed away under a sidebar. This is probably due to
my 'let's-use-margins-for-positioning' habit. Therefore I decided to start using
z-index to push the main text to the 'front' when the layout is
Hi John,
You could also try out the css layout generator
http://www.csscreator.com/version2/pagelayout.php
Tony
http://www.csscreator.com/
http://www.multiwebspace.com/
John Horner wrote:
If I want to find solid building blocks for a table-free layout, where
should I start?
I mean, I know
Hey guys,
I've just subscribed to this list because i'm a web designer and after
reading Jeffrey Zeldman's Designing with web standards I discovered the
wonder of CSS and wanted to learn more and keep up to date.
Thing I have trouble getting my head round is the term table-less
layout. I have
http://www.csszengarden.com/
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/index.html
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What about http://www.sitepoint.com ?
That's as complicated a structure as any I've seen, and almost completely table-less.
mike foskett
http://www.webSemantics.co.uk/
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From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 August 2004 12:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
Hi, Duncan.
All the sites I design are based on CSS-driven layouts; however, I still use
tables for presenting tabulated data (naturally). Even the most hardcore CSS
junkie will admit that there are some table-based layouts that cannot be
replicated using just CSS. The usual way to get around
Duncan,
You do need to get your head around this or you remain trapped in the
old mindset, which mixes content and appearance.
A table, unless it holds tabular data, has no semantic meaning.
Especially if you are using nested components. You are including it in
your HTML only for the purpose
At 21:24 16/08/2004 +1000, you wrote:
http://www.csszengarden.com/
much inspiration here. thanks Neerav. It's exactly what i needed.
and thanks to everyone elses comments. Feel a lot more confident about it now.
Duncan
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Hi,
After completing a form with labels, as suggested in a usability
guideline I noticed firefox choked on them. None of the text fields
would populate until I removed the labels from them. Could some one
point me to a specification on proper implementation of labels.
C
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/03/24/
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Hi,
After completing a form with labels, as suggested in
a usability
guideline I noticed firefox choked on them. None of
the text fields
would populate until I removed the labels from them.
C wrote:
Could some one point me to a specification on proper implementation of labels.
Sorry to hear you're having problems. Firefox handles the label element as well as
any browser. Try Joe Clark's explanation:
http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter12.html#h2-2085
Owen
Hi,
My apologize to firefox, after looking at the examples illustrated in
the replies, the fault is my own, I'll rework my form to my initial
specifications following the suggested reading. Once again my apologize
to firefox, It is an excellent browser.
W
On Monday, August 16, 2004, at 06:55
Hi John and the rest of the group
I started working with CSS about 4 months ago and have recently launched 2
sites using full CSS .
http://www.northernopportunities.bc.ca
http://www.spcrs.ca
The reason I posted was that Big John worked with me on the Northern
Opportunities site and it has done
Hello ~ I am new to css layout design and just recently completed a
site. I used Menu Machine
in the interest of saving time.
I have an issue with the Products header image moving slightly to the
right when it's clicked
on. Is it Menu Machine causing this?
I have checked everything a dozen
Also, when validated I got 105 errors. The bulk of them had to do with
MM.
Any suggestions appreciated.
My first suggestion would be to post a URL :-)
Alan
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- Original Message -
From: Tricia Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: [WSG] Site critique
Hello ~ I am new to css layout design and just recently completed a
site. I used Menu Machine
in the interest of saving time.
I
Sorry ~ my only excuse: It's Monday!
The url: http://www.abetterpetdogtraining.com
On Aug 16, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Tricia Fitzgerald wrote:
Hello ~ I am new to css layout design and just recently completed a
site. I used Menu Machine
in the interest of saving time.
I have an issue with the Products
Got the URL of your site?
If the validator is telling you there's an issue with the code generated
by Menu Machine, then I'd guess that Menu Machine does not generate
standards compliant code?
Leslie
Tricia Fitzgerald wrote:
Hello ~ I am new to css layout design and just recently completed a
Hi Tricia,
Which browser do you view it in? I see it moving to the right in Firefox,
but that's simply because the content does not extend past the bottom of the
browser pane on that page only. When the right hand scrollbar disappears
all the content moves to take up the slack space. This
Hello,
While test viewing some future pages on an XDAII PDA, I saw
the content text was being pushed away under a sidebar. This is probably due to
my 'let's-use-margins-for-positioning' habit. Therefore I decided to start using
z-index to push the main text to the 'front' when the layout
What about http://www.sitepoint.com ?
That's as complicated a structure as any I've seen, and almost
completely table-less.
That's a particularly good example, because it uses no tables to lay
out the page, but right at the bottom where they've got a list of
data, best displayed using rows and
Hi guys,
I have a couple of issues with the site I'm working on. They have been
reported by the client, and I'm having trouble reliably replicating any of
them so I can't work out how to fix them.
Can someone please take a look at http://216.119.123.23/ and look for the
following errors:
* On
Hi,
Does anyone have any reference for applying styles to columns in tables in a
semantically correct way, without having to code class attr into each TD.?
Can it be done?
Geoff
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I asked the same question about 3 days ago -- see applying styles to
the 3rd column of a table
Justin
On 17/08/2004, at 10:24 AM, Geoff Deering wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any reference for applying styles to columns in
tables in a
semantically correct way, without having to code class attr
Geoff,
This was sort-of answered a few days ago, but it depends on the degree of
styling needed.
Ideally you could use descendant selectors - depending on your specific
need. With the use of correct table elements like th, thead, tbody, tfoot
etc you can style individual slabs of tables to look
we talked about colgroups just the other day, i think
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.4.1
Patrick
Geoff Deering wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any reference for applying styles to columns in tables in a
semantically correct way, without having to code class attr into each
Seona Bellamy wrote:
* On pages like About Us and Contact Details, the centre banner apparently
stays stuck at the top of the screen (i.e., the content of the page
disappears under it as you scroll, and it's always on screen). Does anyone
else get this problem? I don't. More importantly, if anyone
Hi,
Thanks for all your suggestions, and sorry for not seeing that entry a few
days back.
I did try using COLGROUP and COL, but I couldn't get it to work. Is this
because it is poorly supported?
Russ's example does the job great. I always try to find ways of doing such
things without adding
Hi Lachlan,
Don't be sorry for not being able to replicate the problem. If nothing else,
I can use this email as proof that I'm not simply being contrary and
refusing to help them. :)
I'll look into the caching issues and see if that makes a difference.
Cheers,
Seona.
-Original
Table-less just means tables aren't used for layout. When used to
contain tabular data, that's not layout, that's containing data that
SHOULD be in a table.
JMHO.
Leslie Riggs
What about http://www.sitepoint.com ?
That's as complicated a structure as any I've seen, and almost
completely
On Tuesday, Aug 17, 2004, at 09:38 Australia/Sydney, Seona Bellamy
wrote:
I have a couple of issues with the site I'm working on. They have been
reported by the client, and I'm having trouble reliably replicating
any of
them so I can't work out how to fix them.
Can someone please take a look
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman
* On pages like About Us and Contact Details, the centre banner
apparently
stays stuck at the top of the screen (i.e., the content of the page
disappears under it as you scroll, and
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