RE: [WSG] Dean Jackson presentation url

2004-09-04 Thread Web Usability
Many thanks Amit I'm glad not everyone was a slack as me and someone had the sense to write it down. Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Amit Karmakar Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2004 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Dean

Re: [WSG] Dean Jackson presentation url

2004-09-04 Thread Amit Karmakar
Roger, I have added them on my blog here http://www.karmakars.com/weblog/archives/2004/09/03/web_essentials_group I don't have the link to Roger's Presentation though. On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:21:48 +1000, Web Usability [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks Amit I'm glad not everyone was a

Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class

2004-09-04 Thread Chris Gandolfo
For ordering statements I usually start with broad statements and then get narrower. Then within this list I sort by html statements and then my IDs and classes as they fall in the page from top to bottom. As for selectors I go in this order positioning display margin padding background (minus

Re: [WSG] FireFox - Built In CSS Error Handler?

2004-09-04 Thread Chris Stratford
Aww thanks. I must not be using the DOM inspector properly since I have never seen any CSS or any CSS errors displayed inside there... How do you view the CSS of an item? Mine just shows the text and blinks a border around it etc... Cheers Neerav wrote: Tools - DOM inspector Tools - Javascript

[WSG] Browsing without images

2004-09-04 Thread Marc Greenstock
I just realised there is a problem with using css to insert images such as styling a h1 element to show a logo. Many rural users browse with images off to conserve bandwidth, however it's (in my assumption) not likely that css will be turned off too. If this is the case nothing will show and

Re: [WSG] Browsing without images

2004-09-04 Thread Natalie Buxton
Have you tested this Marc? I had assumed that if images were switched off, it wouldn't matter if they are in the CSS, that the browser would still ignore them? Would be good to know. Natalie On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:51:36 +1000, Marc Greenstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just realised there is

Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class

2004-09-04 Thread Cameron Adams
If you think about it, ordering IDs in the order that they appear in the HTML goes against the grain of XHTML/CSS separation of content and style. If you change the position of an object in the HTML, then you have to change it in the CSS, otherwise your order becomes meaningless. The best way is

Re: [WSG] Browsing without images

2004-09-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
You just realised it, but this has been a huge part of the whole image replacement discussion from the beginning. http://www.google.com/search?q=accessibility+image+replacement+css No, there's no way to test if images are turned off. Use techniques that don't actually hide the original text. but

Re: [WSG] Browsing without images

2004-09-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
just checked the various IR methods. your best bet looks like Gilder/Levin and/or the Shea enhancement http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ Patrick _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-,

Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class

2004-09-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Sorry Cameron, but I think that you're taking it a step too far here. At the end of the day, those who work with the CSS can order it any way they please and that works for them. This is all about personal preference and working styles, and separation of content and style has nothing to do

Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class

2004-09-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
To clarify my previous message: what I mean is Cameron Adams wrote: If you change the position of an object in the HTML, then you have to change it in the CSS, otherwise your order becomes meaningless. Yes, it becomes meaningless in that it makes it more convoluted to work with, *but* it does not

Re: [WSG] FireFox - Built In CSS Error Handler?

2004-09-04 Thread Ryan Christie
Aww thanks. I must not be using the DOM inspector properly since I have never seen any CSS or any CSS errors displayed inside there... How do you view the CSS of an item? Mine just shows the text and blinks a border around it etc... The DOM inspector doesn't validate stuff. Not sure about how it

[WSG] Interview markup?

2004-09-04 Thread Sage Olson
What is the most semantic way to markup an interview? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney,

Re: [WSG] Interview markup?

2004-09-04 Thread Lennart Fylling
Sage Olson wrote: What is the most semantic way to markup an interview? I believe it must be cite/cite and for bigger phrases, you can useblockquote title= /blockquote Correct me someone if I'm wrong. -- Lennart Fylling Aalesund Norway **

Re: [WSG] Interview markup?

2004-09-04 Thread Sage Olson
Oops, sorry I wasn't more specific I meant a large interview that takes up an entire article, something like this: http://www.macthemes.net/articles/insider/000189.php (Note: I'm not a staff member or anything of MacThemes.) They've used bold tags to indicate the interviewer's questions, and

Re: [WSG] Interview markup?

2004-09-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
I'd go for definition lists, overkill or not. dl dtQ/dt ddA/dd /dl Failing that, the question could be in headings h1interview/h1 h2Q1/h2 p.../p h2Q2/h2 p.../p Patrick Sage Olson wrote: Oops, sorry I wasn't more specific I meant a large interview that takes up an entire article, something like

RE: [WSG] Interview markup?

2004-09-04 Thread Lee Roberts
Heading tags are not appropriate nor semantically correct. cite is used for quoting a citation from a book, article or other piece of work referenced in an article. This is more adeptly used in reference articles. dl is the most appropriate method as it not only visually separates the question

Re: [WSG] Interview markup?

2004-09-04 Thread russ - maxdesign
The WSG ten question interviews are marked up as Definition lists: http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/ More on definition lists here: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/definition/ Russ What is the most semantic way to markup an interview?

Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class

2004-09-04 Thread Paul Novitski
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:19:12 +1200, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a common way of listing styles in CSS? ... For example, perhaps the font and inline information is first, the block, padding and margin information next, and then the positioning. Sean, I've seen more

Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class

2004-09-04 Thread Neerav
what about the mozilla way http://www.mozilla.org/contribute/writing/markup ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Sean wrote: Does anyone

[WSG] just in from the great out-there

2004-09-04 Thread Clytie Siddall
G'day, web-standard groupies :) Here I am! blushes hotly Yep, I'm new to this group. I've been on CSS-discuss for some time, which I find pretty heavy going because it's a busy list. I'm also very new to CSS. I'm a Mac StyleMaster user, have previously also used PageSpinner but now I need to

Re: [WSG] Interview markup?

2004-09-04 Thread Michael Nelson
What is the most semantic way to markup an interview? I've been thinking about this a bit. If I did want to find the _most semantic_ way to markup an interview (I can't imagine thinking about it if we hadn't been discussing it though ;-), why wouldn't a paragraph with a meaningful class be the