Re: [WSG] FOUC Safari 2.0

2005-06-16 Thread Roger Johansson
On 16 jun 2005, at 04.23, Chris Kennon wrote: Has anyone any idea if the FOUC in Safari 2.0 is remedied with similar methods to IE? Safari's FOUC was introduced in 1.3/2.0 and seems to mostly appear on pages that have Google ads. Apple are aware of the problem, so I'm hoping a fix will

Re: [WSG] Encoding, charsets and entities...

2005-06-16 Thread Anders Nawroth
Dejan Kozina skrev: The encoding declaration in the XML prolog is required only if you use an encoding that's not utf-8 or utf-16. XHTML documents default to utf-8 if not otherwise specified, while HTML (4.01) documents have no default charset. http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/

Re: [WSG] PNG support

2005-06-16 Thread Roberto Gorjão
It was the first time I heard about the .htc behaviour. I looked for it on google and found a couple of pages with demos but on my computer, it seems to work only with I.E.6. With IE5.5 the images just disappear Is that correct? Im using Ryan Parmans customized browsers files

Re: [WSG] PNG support

2005-06-16 Thread George S. Williams
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 04:02, Roberto Gorjo wrote: It was the first time I heard about the .htc behaviour. I looked for it on google and found a couple of pages with demos but on my computer, it seems to work only with I.E.6. With IE5.5 the images just disappear Is that correct? Try-

Re: [WSG] PNG support

2005-06-16 Thread Anthony Cartmell
http://www.youngpup.net/2001/sleight I don't remember what the problem was that I had with the behavior for doing this, but I found this JavaScript and it works fine. Sadly this doesn't work in Opera 8. Anthony -- www.fonant.com - hand-crafted web sites

Re: [WSG] PNG support

2005-06-16 Thread Grzegorz Szczotka
Anthony Cartmell wrote: http://www.youngpup.net/2001/sleight I don't remember what the problem was that I had with the behavior for doing this, but I found this JavaScript and it works fine. Sadly this doesn't work in Opera 8. Why should it? Does Opera have problems with PNG's? I

[WSG] PNG, IE JS

2005-06-16 Thread Anders Nawroth
Hello! Since turning JS off in IE also affects HTC-behaviors, I needed a fix for the logotype on this site, as it covers some content when the transparancy fails: http://www.opalen.info/ (I'm using .htc for the logotype, the background of the content is a simple GIF image.) What I wanted

Re: [WSG] PNG support

2005-06-16 Thread Anthony Cartmell
Sadly this doesn't work in Opera 8. Why should it? For people who use Opera ;) What I meant was, the page in question doesn't work in Opera 8. They probably need to tweak their browser-sniffing or something, as, as you say, Opera doesn't need anything special to display alpha-channel

[WSG] Grids and Standards Design

2005-06-16 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, As enthusiastic as I'm about the following title, the nagging reservations about its relation to standards design begs this question. How useful is the study of these specific grids in relation to the fluid goals of Standards based design? Link: The Grid: A Modular System for the

Re: [WSG] PNG support

2005-06-16 Thread kemie guaida
It's enough to put the link to the _javascript_ inside a ie conditional comment, so opera can't see it. :) kemie ...:| kemie |:... .:| www.monolinea.com |:. Anthony Cartmell wrote: Sadly this doesn't work in Opera 8. Why should it? For

Re: [WSG] Grids and Standards Design

2005-06-16 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:27:25 -0400, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How useful is the study of these specific grids in relation to the fluid goals of Standards based design? The Grid: A Modular System for the Design and Production of Newspapers, Magazines, and Books (Design Graphic

[WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread standards
Good day all, I'm conducting a course in CSS at the local community college, and the students are sincerely interested in web standards and designing with CSS instead of tables. One question that continues to come up is how to successfully center-align a fixed width layout in today's modern

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Ben
You'd need a text-align: left; in the #container otherwise the all the content within it will be centered.On 6/17/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good day all,I'm conducting a course in CSS at the local community college, and thestudents are sincerely interested in web standards

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread standards
Thanks Ben, I've prefer to place the text-align: left and/or justify in the div's designated for each column. #leftcolumn {width: 350px; float: left; text-align: justify; margin-left: 8px; background: #fff;} #rightcolumn {width: 210px; float: right; text-align: left; font-size:

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:00:46 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good day all, I'm conducting a course in CSS at the local community college, and the students are sincerely interested in web standards Some people who are interested in web standards advocate using relative font-size methods. and

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The basic CSS syntax is as follows: html {height: 100%; margin-bottom: 1px;} body {margin: 0; padding: 0; text-align: center; font: normal 12px verdana, arial, sans-serif; background: #fff;} #container {margin: 0 auto; width: 760px;} Regarding margins and padding,

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:56:44 -0400, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mordechai Peller For the font size, under normal circumstances, use only percent or ems. I would *not* recommend using em for font size on the body, as it triggers a re-sizing bug in IE. Don't declare any

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread standards
Hi David, I do teach the students about em, keywords and pixels, etc. based font size and allow them to make up their own minds. I understand the issue pertaining to accessibility and zooming text, but my personal preference is using pixels. Thanks, Mario On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:00:46 -0400,

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread standards
Point of clarification. I understood that margin: 0 auto worked in IE6, but IE 5.0 and 5.5 required the use of text-align: center in the body rule therefore why do I need margin: 0 auto in both the body and container? Please advise... Thanks, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The basic CSS

[WSG] Fixing the position of a page footer

2005-06-16 Thread Glenn
Is it possible to fix the position of a page footer to the bottom of the page, no matter the page size. Position absolute will work, but if the page scrolls vertically the footer stays fixed in position and the copy flows under below it. Relevant site is http://61.9.197.171:8080/ , the

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point of clarification. I understood that margin: 0 auto worked in IE6, but IE 5.0 and 5.5 required the use of text-align: center in the body rule therefore why do I need margin: 0 auto in both the body and container? You don't need to set the margins of the body to

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do teach the students about em, keywords and pixels, etc. based font size and allow them to make up their own minds. I understand the issue pertaining to accessibility and zooming text, but my personal preference is using pixels. Fair enough, it's your choice. But

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
David Laakso wrote: I would *not* recommend using em for font size on the body, as it triggers a re-sizing bug in IE. Don't declare any font-size on the body. And use percent or em thereafter(if even necessary). Or, declare 100.01% percent on the body. And use percent or em thereafter(if

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: *{margin: 0; padding: 0} ???

2005-06-16 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
Zeroing all default margins and padding throught a document is something I'm always sweated over as I like to zero all of these properties right from the top. For the past 6 months or so I set the margin and padding to '0' in all elements at the top of my style sheet: body - margin 0, padding 0;

Re: [WSG] Fixing the position of a page footer

2005-06-16 Thread Prabhath Sirisena
Is it possible to fix the position of a page footer to the bottom of the page, no matter the page size. Try this: #footer { position: fixed; bottom: 0; left: 0; } You might want to add a positive z-index to this too. HTH, Prabhath http://nidahas.com