Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul

2005-12-18 Thread José Kusunoki Gutiérrez
Thank you very much Steve it really works, you were right it just needed that i put that line thanks again - Original Message - From: Steve Clason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul On

Re: [WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream

2005-12-18 Thread designer
Yes, it really needs frames of course . . . :-) ) (Sorry - couldn't resist! ) Kenny Graham wrote: i like tabs as much as anybody else, but when it's _that_ bad, it's time to move them from the top to the side. wouldn't look nearly as bad as a vertical nav, and wouldnt have the flyouts

Re: [WSG] Your email requires verification verify#a6vQxgsxnTQ2Ky73eCXlkHoHksHXd3PV

2005-12-18 Thread James Ellis
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[WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question

2005-12-18 Thread Marco van Hylckama Vlieg
Hi guys, This is probably going to sound really weird but I need this for something I'm working on. Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? This means I have an XHTML 1.0 Strict / Transitional document with a div in it for which the inner

Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question

2005-12-18 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day This is probably going to sound really weird but I need this for something I'm working on. Yep, you got that right but I won't ask why :-) Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? As far as I know, the only way you'd get that

Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question

2005-12-18 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? No, DOCTYPE switching applies to the whole document, not just parts of the document. The different box model may one day be able to be chosen using the proposed

Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question

2005-12-18 Thread Stephen Stagg
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? No, DOCTYPE switching applies to the whole document, not just parts of the document. The different box model may one day be able to be chosen using

Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question

2005-12-18 Thread Marco van Hylckama Vlieg
About the 'why': I'm working on a little Backbase application. From what I've seen so far it seems to require quirks mode to function right in Internet Explorer. You can see this because their website at www.backbase.com has !-- -- on top of the page. Now I want to include a little backbase

Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question

2005-12-18 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Lachlan Hunt wrote: As for quirks mode, you should basically try to forget it even exists as an alternative and never, under any circumstances, attempt to develop a page using it. Use of quirks mode is never a good solution to any problem. IMHO, throwing IE6 into quirksmode is sometimes the

Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question

2005-12-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: IMHO, throwing IE6 into quirksmode is sometimes the only way to make it behave. Agreed. Makes IE6 behave almost according to standards without any of its Strict but not very standard limitations. However, using a !-- comment -- to achieve Quirks mode in IE6 should be

[WSG] Source Attribution for data tables

2005-12-18 Thread Terrence Wood
Hi all, how would/do you markup the source attribution for data tables when there is already a caption? EXAMPLE Table 1 - Summary of Key Indicators [data] . . . [data] Source: Foo Corp 2005 Should the caption be changed to include the attribution? Table 1 - Summary of Key Indicators (source:

[WSG] Server-side includes?

2005-12-18 Thread Chris Lamberson
I suppose I have always very much disliked server-side includes, for no reason I can immediately think up, they just seem like bad form. But if I really think about it, it doesn't matter what goes on as long as it gets to the client in a standards-compliant, semantically correct form. A business

RE: [WSG] Server-side includes?

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi, this discussion has been had before - follow this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg22706.html :) Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lamberson Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 11:26 AM

Re: [WSG] Server-side includes?

2005-12-18 Thread Terrence Wood
Chris Lamberson said: it doesn't matter what goes on as long as it gets to the client in a standards-compliant, semantically correct form. Correct. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Server-side includes?

2005-12-18 Thread Andy Kirkwood, Motive
Hi Paul, My question is: are server-side includes good, bad, or neither in the eyes of standards and semantics? Neither. There's no connection between the use of SSI and semantics or standards. SSI enables elements of a page to be modularised (note that there are specific SSI commands for

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Kevin Ross
Good evening gentleman. I want to thank all of you for your interesting replies to my question. I will gather all of the info and try to come up with an educated reply ! At any rate, there is a lot to think about. My client may not be dead set on using frames. I will use the info garnered in this

Re: [WSG] Source Attribution for data tables

2005-12-18 Thread heretic
Hi, Should the caption be changed to include the attribution? Table 1 - Summary of Key Indicators (source: Foo Corp 2005) I'd go with this solution. It's a logical place for attribution and it doesn't really go anywhere else without losing specific association with the table contents. h --

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Terrence Wood
Kevin Ross said: Isn't using a dynamic frameset, still using frames? Yes. What is the advantage? None that I'm aware of. I will suggest that we just open a new window... I feel more comfortable with that as opposed to frames. Comments? Pop-up's are the lesser of the two evils, and if you

RE: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Noone
As one last comment I'd add that pop-ups and new window targets are very different beasts. An accessible popup is almost but not quite impossible, although always less desirable than a simple target="_blank". --Paul A NooneWebmaster, ASHM[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Source Attribution for data tables

2005-12-18 Thread Paula Petrik
Technically, there are several ways of placing attribution and signaling its source for a table, depending on whether or not it is taken in toto from the source or adapted. Attribution format also depends on the discipline and audience. First, a super-scripted number after the title would

[WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

2005-12-18 Thread John Allsopp
Hi all, Some of you might have read my recent article, WebPatterns and WebSemantics http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2005/11/webpatterns_and.html In a nutshell, a pattern is a a problem which occurs over and over again … and … the core of the solution to that problem. When we

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

2005-12-18 Thread Richard Czeiger
Hey John :o) Martijn van Welie's been hacking away at something like this for a bit - check it out :o) http://www.welie.com/patterns/index.html R - Original Message - From: John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 2:34 PM

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

2005-12-18 Thread Richard Czeiger
Actually, it would be great if we could have something like this which would form a 'toolkit' of sorts where we can take 'developer-authorised' code snippets and put them in our pages. Such as finally having a collection of code so we don't have to ask: What's the most semantic and valid way of

RE: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Noone
Love the idea. I don't think it should be a replacement for many things which are best learnt through hard expereince, but rather a 7 steps to success guide for building a standards-based website. Sure, you could include best practice code samples, particularly for off-page techniques etc. But I

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

2005-12-18 Thread Samuel Richardson
I think you'll find their are too many variables in a website to do this easily. Plus you'll never convince designers to stick to those set layouts :D Richard Czeiger wrote: Actually, it would be great if we could have something like this which would form a 'toolkit' of sorts where we can

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Kevin Ross wrote: However, I still have a few questions... Isn't using a dynamic frameset, still using frames? Yes. What is the advantage, other than being able to place the frame where I want? What I understood from your questions is that you were going to build the entire site using

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

2005-12-18 Thread Richard Czeiger
I don't know, Sam... I mean, we're not forcing someone to use these patterns. But let's face it, they're patterns because lots of people use them. For example: previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 next look familiar? Google and almost every multi-page set of results uses this. I'd call it a

[WSG] IE float quest

2005-12-18 Thread tee
Greeting, I'd been working on solving this problem in the last three hours however I can't seemed to pinpoint the cause. In IE 6/ 5.5, my form drops to the bottom. I know this is a common IE bug and I was able to solve the problem in other sites by declaring clear left (or both or right)

Re: [WSG] IE float quest

2005-12-18 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day So I declared 'display: inline' in the #formWrapper, it solves the problem but my background color shrinks to a small square above the the form in Firefox and Opera (both PC and Mac); in Safari and IE, the background color completely gone. Have you tried display:inline-block ?

Re: [WSG] IE float quest

2005-12-18 Thread tee
On Dec 18, 2005, at 9:42 PM, Bert Doorn wrote: Have you tried display:inline-block ? It's valid CSS [1], Mozilla ignores it and it ~may~ do what you want it to in MSIE. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-display Hi Bert, no, display:inline-block doesn't work however

Re: [WSG] IE float quest

2005-12-18 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Hi Bert, no, display:inline-block doesn't work however your suggestion prompted to use the IE conditional comments in my html' .head tag. Seems a bit of overkill for a single rule. I avoid hacks wherever possible, but if you do need one, it's better placed in the CSS file (e.g.