Re: [WSG] running ie7 on my mac??

2008-02-08 Thread Joe Ortenzi
I just ordered a new iMac I asked them to include Win XP OEM for £77 and Parallels Desktop for £33. Of course this OEM price is only for when you buy the computer... An iMac WITH a fully functioning, 100% legal Windows XP for ONLY an additional £110 (AND you can run multiple instances of

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Perhaps Chris But standards people are interested in following standards, not what others may do. We are meant to be leaders, not followers. I also know some people who still want tabled layouts running in Mambo. That doesn't mean their options are either standards compliant nor sensible.

Re: [WSG] Styling forms (Away)

2008-02-08 Thread Teru Yanagihashi
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Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Алексей Новиков
Chris Knowles wrote: CK yes, but my point was that a lot of js libraries base drag and drop CK re-ordering of elements around list elements and not other elements. And CK I have noticed a lot of form building services use lists to markup forms CK because they require drag and drop re-ordering of

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hi Rachel, I'd be very interested in reading your article when it's ready For better or worse, it's published: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=254 Cheers. Mike *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I'm with you there. I also check my sites without styling. Gives an idea if the document is well structured. I'll be posting a link to the archive of this thread on the forum I regulary use. The common guide to people asking to mark up forms has been to use lists. It'll be interesting too see

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Very interesting article. I'm reevaluating my options about lists on forms. But I'm not sure I feel comfortable with a br between the label and input. Semantically it looks like it separates them, even though the FOR attributes connects them. If the br came after the input then both the

Re: [WSG] Small element (was:Styling forms)

2008-02-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hi Thomas, In HTML4 it's a font style element on the line with b and i etc I guess I've always considered it a font-sizing element more than a styling thing, though the final result is a visual style. I've always felt it has a meaning of being less important than the surrounding text. An

RE: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com I don't think the break use has any bearing on the accessibility of the form's elements so that doesn't seem to have bearing on my decision. No negatives that I'm aware of. Semantically speaking, I think the introduction of a break is akin to adding a

RE: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Joost de Valk
-- origineel bericht -- Onderwerp: RE: [WSG] Styling forms Van:Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 08-02-2008 19:42 On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com I don't think the break use has any bearing on the accessibility of the form's elements so that doesn't seem to

Re: [WSG] Small element (was:Styling forms)

2008-02-08 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I had a look at your article. Got some questions: One of your examples: p iWhy does this semantic markup stuff have to be so unclear at times/i, he thought. /p Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use: p qWhy does this semantic markup stuff have to be so unclear at times/q, he thought. /p

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Thomas, But I'm not sure I feel comfortable with a br between the label and input. I know developers are mostly split down the middle about this issue that I've seen. To me, and perhaps this is really silly, but I really like my sites to look and be just as usable with styles off as

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Chris Knowles
Joe Ortenzi wrote: Perhaps Chris But standards people are interested in following standards, not what others may do. We are meant to be leaders, not followers. I also know some people who still want tabled layouts running in Mambo. That doesn't mean their options are either standards

Re: [WSG] Small element (was:Styling forms)

2008-02-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Thomas, One of your examples: p iWhy does this semantic markup stuff have to be so unclear at times/i, he thought. /p Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use: p qWhy does this semantic markup stuff have to be so unclear at times/q, he thought. /p ...since it's quoting a person's

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hi Thierry, As a side note, I style these BRs with display:none. I'm curious, what effect does that have on the styled page?Do you do something like... label { display : block; } br { display : none; } Thanks. Mike - Original Message - From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com As a side note, I style these BRs with display:none. I'm curious, what effect does that have on the styled page?Do you do something like... label { display : block; } br { display : none; } Hi Mike, I don't use display:block, most of

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
I don't use display:block, most of the time I float everything and use the label to clear. Depending on the width of the labels I may use text-align:right; to move the text in the label toward the text box. I also set the widths in EMs, to avoid the text to wrap if it grows. With the fieldset