Re: [WSG] Comment before the DOCTYPE?

Yes, it is there to force the quirks mode. I personally prefer the XML prolog there (however I don't know why I haven't placed it in my StyleMaster template :/ ...). It works as well... More info on topic: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/about-boxmodel.htm -- Jan Brasna ::

Re: [WSG] I'll Have Fries(Chips)With My CMS

I think that Drupal.org is far better than Mambo... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] Comment before the DOCTYPE?

I think it is a lot easier to treat all IE/win (5+) as one and the same, so I always use the ?xml... prolog. Me too. I also prefer to throw all IE/Win into one basket... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ |

Re: [WSG] when xhtml2?

Five to ten years I think... It's a concept of a direction ve should lead to, but it's just a subject of discussion now. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/

Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

Can anyone clarify? Me not :) However I'd use construction like ... h1 id=tocTable of contents/h1 ... and you're done. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/

Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

multiple media attrib values are to be seperated by a comma _only_ Huh, thanks for the info, never noticed it. (Alhough I don't put the space there, just surprised with it) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ |

Re: [WSG] background-image:

perfectly safe, no scrollbars, and indeed you don't even need the span element. just set the text-indent on the a, and the text will be offscreen, with the background image still in place. That's nice, however ... I've never gotten that technique to work properly in Opera. It always either a)

Re: [WSG] background-image:

Just like with browsers, what screenreaders *should* do is not always the same as what they *actually* do in practice. I know, I know... I just needed to vent it :( -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ |

Re: [WSG] Help - newbie

standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) Eh, I won't suggest it to beginner - skilled coder knows all the gotchas, but beginner may just stuck with the WYSIWYG and do it badly. Everebody in our workshop works with PSPad on almost everything. If you want to try WYSIWYG I'd suggest trying NVU... and

Re: [WSG] Conditional comments

Does this really work on IE? Can I really use transparency in my PNG-24 and have IE display it? Or is there some hidden catch? It is used so here: http://dev.alphanumeric.cz/webspace -- there are some gotchas, like making the whole block transparent, so it's not to possible to click on it if

Re: [WSG] Conditional comments

I'm pushing transparency to IE this way: #logo { background: url('img/logo.png') no-repeat; } * html #logo { background: none; filter: progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='img/logo.png',sizingMethod='scale'); } and it's even better to place all this non-standard crap in

Re: [WSG] background-image:

Hi Patrick, a span { display: block; text-indent: -999em; } is this safe? (won't it bring some scrollbars somehow etc.?) I recently tried something like .hide { display: block; width: 0; height: 0; overflow: hidden; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-size: 0px; position: absolute; } and

Re: [WSG] setting height of a 'li' element

And what about line-height? It could be applicable here. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for

[WSG] Behaviors

Hi list, can someone provide any piece of information about behaviors in CSS, please? I've just went thru http://www.w3.org/TR/becss and http://www.w3.org/TR/xbl/ , but is here someone with practical info? Thank you, Jan. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz |

Re: [WSG] Behaviors

Damn :( Although it (AFAIK) is adopted as standard(?) it is practically useless :( Dziekuje, Jan. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The

Re: [WSG] Brisbane meeting - preferred topic?

Hi Andrew, I presonally vote for option 1. Safely Hacking CSS ...plus a little bit more ;) :) P.S -- don't worry if you're not from Brissy, you can still voice your preference as the resources will go online aswell :) Nice... Unfortunately not planning to attend it (few thousand kms aren't easy

Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry

Perhaps designing for 480x640 then instead of 640x480...;) :DD Actually, noc necessarily - these VGA gadgets can operate in landscape mode... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/

Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

It involves using an XMLHttpRequest Object Yes, it can be also used. I think it's interesting that a method developed by MircoSoft for an ActiveX extension is being discussed in a site for Apple developers. Why not? Nowadays it's quite widely used in JS - eg. GMail is based on it AFAIK. It is

Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

Why not? Nowadays it's quite widely used in JS - eg. GMail is based on it AFAIK. It is supported in latest IE, Gecko or Opera (don't know the situation on OSX) Well, GMail works on the various browsers (ok, I havent tested *all* of them), so I can report it works there too :) Yep, I know, but

Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

I'm sorry - I'll try that again. No problem, I got it. That'll teach me to post before morning caffeine! :( People after evening r**bull will surely forgive you ;)) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ |

Re: [WSG] problems fitting content in third column in IE win

Well, Bruce, it is broken in FF 0.9.3 Win too... http://tmp.alphanumeric.cz/Image31.png -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion

Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry

Just a personal preference, but it is awesome looking. Not only your personal preference... As a showcase of some key features of CSS technology it's OK even if it's not so usable, not em-sized etc. Actually I think the colors are great, I love this combination of this tint of green with that

Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry

we arent designing for 600 * 480 anymore! Well, maybe we'll begin again shortly - new PDAs are comming to the market with VGA (480x640) resolution... :P -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/

Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question

link, providing two media types separated bya a comma and a space: link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=style.css media=screen, projection / If you need to use a style switcher, link is the only choice. I personally prefer using link rather than @import. @import has another issue, called FOUC

Re: [WSG] Popups (plus, standards-based event handling)

window.onload = externalLinks; This is fine, if it's the only code you are assigning to onload, but it overwrites any previous onloads and is overwritten by subsequent onloads. ... Another issue is that it works only after loading the whole page... I use it in (testing setup of) a

Re: [WSG] London Web Standards Conference

I'd love to be there too, I'll try to manage it somehow. PS: Cool website, congratulations Patrick. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] PC IE problem

Huh, don't know why, but this quick'n'dirty hack worked: * html #banner {width: 101.9%;} -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.

HTMLArea3RC, FCKEditor... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the

Re: [WSG] Gallery markup

The only thing I would bring up with regards to the markup is that I really don't see how those elements could be marked up as paragraphs. I definitely agree with you Collin. I just want to show this as an example how to structure it in a different way than by some types of lists. It is neither

Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

Right... The bot can't find out, if the page is a static HTML file or dynamically generated output by some sort of server-side technology... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

= amp; -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

Change to amp;, e.g. http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=resultsamp; id=dauckfamp;r=1amp;f=0amp;t=0 Did you test this link you just sent me because it doesn't work? It works fine... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with

Otherwise - LOVE THE SITE I agree. However, the main menu doesn't work in FF 0.9.3... And the problem in IE - try to use some IE-only rules (* html foo) to adjust it. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] Validation Error

W3C CSS Validator Results for http://ckimedia.com/ No error or warning found Congratulations! Valid CSS! This document validates as CSS! ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] IE 5

I know many of you are running IE 5, and wondered if you had encountered any problems running multiple versions? Nope, because: http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] voice browser

You should try Fangs (Jaws emulator plugin for FF) before... http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05 -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] CSS alignment issues

Take a look at http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] an even more amazing css zen garden entry

WOW... Yeah, that's the right one to be posted here : Sweet 90ies ;) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com * PF 2005: http://tmp.alphanumeric.cz/pf2005.jpg * ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] IE6 Doctype Quirks Mode

Never include the ?xml declaration. And then use UTF-8. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] Table with alternating row colours

Is this a limitation of the CSS model that you can't do this? Is there a logical way this can be incorporated into CSS? CSS3 -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/CR-css3-selectors-2003/#structural-pseudos tr:nth-child(2n+1) /* represents every odd row of a HTML table */ tr:nth-child(odd) /* same */

Re: [WSG] Template StyleSheet

The W3 Spec for CSS2 has one for HTML4 but I don't see any ryhme or reason in the way it's laid it out. They're recommending that all developers use this stylesheet as a template. Can someone explain it to me? Well, I will at least try to... This generic stylesheet is provided by W3C to unify

Re: [WSG] Hover psuedo-class issues

Does anyone know of any existing (and much simpler) JavaScript libraries that enable :hover, :focus, and :active for non anchor tags for IE? Look it up in http://alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] My Site

Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] neat code in A9 search

How do I remove this BOM marker once it's inserted? Damn it, it causes all my XSL transformations on Java to fail! I use PSPad (www.pspad.com), it doest it transparently (if set in preferences). -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] neat code in A9 search

BOM is a Unicode standard. Without BOM, applications have to waste resources... But not in UTF-8. There they are not used and will not be. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Testing for standards in different web browsers, 3 questions.

All of this was answered here some two days ago... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

Some advice for Windows users - don't bother with those Mac emulators that only let you run Mac OS 7.5... If this is targeted to me, than thanks for advice, but don't be afraid, I'll try to run Panther via PearPC. And I'm going to buy an (i|Power)Book soon (I love it, but Mac is not much common

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

I use http://www.browsercam.com, its got practically every UA Well, it's really good and useful service. However if you need to test the styles and edit them on-the-fly, it's a bit difficult. Anyways... it's still a great idea... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz |

Re: [WSG] delay in dropdown menu loading in IE

now the problem is when the site is loading the drop down menu doesn't work till the whole site is loaded. this only happen in ie so i think it's a problem with the javascript. It looks like the JS handler is called after loading the whole page (onload)... I'm doing it in a bit different way -

Re: [WSG] delay in dropdown menu loading in IE

mind sharing how you get the function to fire off after the menus are loaded? Just move the script element out of the head tag and place it just after the menu markup. Then exchange if (window.attachEvent) window.attachEvent(onload, sfHover); with sfHover(); and it should work. I know this way

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes

may I find out why exactly? Due to modularization. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

I'll show my setup... 1) IE 6 (at least 3 versions of them?), IE 5.5, IE/Mac and below (I've got IE 6 but how do I install IE 5.5 and where do I find it?) IE 4.0, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6.0, planning IE/Mac via PearPC. http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php 2) Mozilla/Firefox (no issue finding

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes

Due to modularization. http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/abstract_modules.html#s_iframemodule http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/introduction.html#s_intro -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

I know I'm way out on a limb with this one, but the ocean thing really doesn't do anything for me... The diver/flashlight effect is cool (even though it looks a bit nasty as it goes over the gradient) and the rendered ocean floor has really nice lighting, but besides that... I have to agree with

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

But I have noticed some browsers completely ignore input styles. Yes, but it is partly a good thing - some elements should really be rendered by the system GUI... See http://www.pixy.cz/blog/obrazky/styled-forms.gif for comparison. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz |

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

Your two example pages look identical to me. Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP Sorry, my fault... Now it should be OK. (You've seen another interesting fact - if html element has an attached bg, body always shrinks to fit only the content) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz |

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

difference between HTML and XHTML. This is usually referred to as BODY not being magical anymore, and it's expected behaviour. OK, thank you for information, I found it mentioned also in http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff - new feature to me, so I just wanted to find

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

need to apply styles to html to style the entire viewport. Well, actually this behavior is also somehow magic :) - html is just another element and is not connected to the viewport... So it might someday be threated the same as now the body is :) // Yes, I agree this behavior is alright and I

[WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

Hi all, I've come across a weird thing - Gecko browsers in XHTML 1.1 with Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml render the visual style of the body element in a bit different way than without this header (so the SGML parser processes it differently than the XML parser). You can see it here -