Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-20 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/07/07 21:05 (GMT+0100) Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis composed: On 7/7/09 04:19, Felix Miata wrote: To suppose Frozen means anything other than frozen undersize would be a difficult supposition to support, as one need only peruse the web to see how rare frozen at or larger than default

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-07 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
Dennis Lapcewich wrote: While I agree with your general sentiment, I have to say I find the assertion that all people aged 35-40 or more are for all intents and purposes [...] web disabled and [...] in immediate need of web accessibility questionable, to say the least. I did not write

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-07 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 7/7/09 04:19, Felix Miata wrote: To suppose Frozen means anything other than frozen undersize would be a difficult supposition to support, as one need only peruse the web to see how rare frozen at or larger than default can be found. Thus, disrespectful (smaller than default) font sizes

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-07 Thread matt andrews
2009/7/8 Dennis Lapcewich dlapcew...@fs.fed.us: Dennis Lapcewich wrote: While I agree with your general sentiment, I have to say I find the assertion that all people aged 35-40 or more are for all intents and purposes [...] web disabled and [...] in immediate need of web accessibility

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-06 Thread David Hucklesby
Dennis Lapcewich wrote: While I agree with your general sentiment, I have to say I find the assertion that all people aged 35-40 or more are for all intents and purposes [...] web disabled and [...] in immediate need of web accessibility questionable, to say the least. I really don't see what

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-06 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/07/05 11:21 (GMT+0100) Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis composed: Felix Miata wrote: On 2009/07/04 10:13 (GMT+0100) Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis composed: Felix Miata wrote: Zoom, minimum text size and magnifiers are defense mechanisms. The basic problem is the pervasive offense - not

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-05 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 4/7/09 16:09, Felix Miata wrote: On 2009/07/04 10:13 (GMT+0100) Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis composed: On 2/7/09 17:07, Felix Miata wrote: Zoom, minimum text size and magnifiers are defense mechanisms. The basic problem is the pervasive offense - not respecting users' font size choices by

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-04 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 2/7/09 17:07, Felix Miata wrote: Zoom, minimum text size and magnifiers are defense mechanisms. The basic problem is the pervasive offense - not respecting users' font size choices by incorporating them at 100% for the bulk of content. Thus, an even better way to address presbyopia is to

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
sine qua non = indispensible On Thu, July 2, 2009 9:27 pm, Rick Faircloth wrote: It is the sine qua non of accessibility And that's exactly the point I'm trying to make...just addressing the font-size issue is the most basic form of accomodation possible. We can do better. On Thu, Jul 2,

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-03 Thread Rick Faircloth
sine qua non also means most basic - yes, it is the most critical aspect of accessibility to information, if the information is contained in textual form, but it is only the most primal level of accessibility to be offered. New techniques, well not actually new, but finally unleashed legally, are

RE: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-03 Thread michael.brockington
presume you meant 'moot' not 'mute' ? Regards, Mike From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Rick Faircloth Sent: Fri 03/07/2009 14:01 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible websites sine qua non also means most basic - yes

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-03 Thread Rick Faircloth
' ? Regards, Mike From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Rick Faircloth Sent: Fri 03/07/2009 14:01 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible websites sine qua non also means most basic - yes, it is the most critical aspect

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-03 Thread Richard Stephenson
I think this may be the service to which you refer... http://www.typekit.com http://blog.typekit.com -- DonkeyMagic: Website design development http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-03 Thread Rick Faircloth
Yes, thanks for the reference, Richard. I believe that's exactly what I was reading about. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Richard Stephenson donkeyma...@gmail.comwrote: I think this may be the service to which you refer... http://www.typekit.com http://blog.typekit.com -- DonkeyMagic:

RE: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)

2009-07-02 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
While I agree with your general sentiment, I have to say I find the assertion that all people aged 35-40 or more are for all intents and purposes [...] web disabled and [...] in immediate need of web accessibility questionable, to say the least. I'd be careful of overstating the case like

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-02 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/07/02 08:46 (GMT-0700) Dennis Lapcewich composed: The technical term is presbyopia, a physical inability of the lens of the eye to focus properly. Specifically, the lens loses its elasticity and ability to properly focus on near objects. It is a natural course of aging. Onset

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-02 Thread Rick Faircloth
But how will you magnify the images and layout as designed for me to view? Addressing font issues is only the absolute basic attempt to make the web more accessible...It's important to be able to see how something is said and with what supporting content and context, rather than just what is said.

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-02 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Rick Faircloth wrote: But how will you magnify the images and layout as designed for me to view? Addressing font issues is only the absolute basic attempt to make the web more accessible...It's important to be able to see how something is said and with what supporting

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-02 Thread Rick Faircloth
It is the sine qua non of accessibility And that's exactly the point I'm trying to make...just addressing the font-size issue is the most basic form of accomodation possible. We can do better. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson c...@freeshell.orgwrote: On Thu, 2 Jul 2009,

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-02 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/07/02 15:20 (GMT-0400) Rick Faircloth composed: Felix Miata wrote: Zoom, minimum text size and magnifiers are defense mechanisms. The basic problem is the pervasive offense - not respecting users' font size choices by incorporating them at 100% for the bulk of content. Thus, an

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)

2009-07-01 Thread Chris Dimmock
I'll just address one you raised Jens. Google does not currently parse external Javascript files. So unless Fairfax uses simple inline Javascript, and exposes spiderable URLS, that's probably good enough for most of us to use progressive enhancement methodology . Ask Lucas. When he gets

RE: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)

2009-07-01 Thread Ted Drake
...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chris Dimmock Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account) I'll just address one you raised Jens. Google does not currently

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-01 Thread Joseph Taylor
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chris Dimmock Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account) I'll just address one you raised Jens. Google does not currently parse external Javascript

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2009-07-01 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
If you are unsure that web accessibility should play a role, take this test. In a group of people have everyone stand up. Those who are unable to stand may remain seated. Now pose these three requests, in order: 1) If you are wear glasses, contacts and/or have had corrective eye surgery,

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2009-07-01 Thread Rick Faircloth
Web accessibility is being more properly handled by browser creators using magnification functionality, which more effectively provides a better, more satisfying user experience because images, as well as text, can be magnified. While previous magnification functionality has required users to

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2009-07-01 Thread matt andrews
2009/7/2 Dennis Lapcewich dlapcew...@fs.fed.us: If you are unsure that web accessibility should play a role, take this test.  In a group of people have everyone stand up.  Those who are unable to stand may remain seated.  Now pose these three requests, in order: 1)  If you are wear glasses,

[WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)

2009-06-30 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
Hi all, I believe making sites accessible is very important. We are all used to ramps near stairs, lifts near escalators, lowered curbs at intersections. We need to get used to baking in time into our projects for accessible elements. Such elements are hidden headings (to aid semantics), skip

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)

2009-06-30 Thread Jim Croft
I think it is pretty good. But one slight irony/anomaly - the 'low vision' link is in pretty small font. Took me a while to find it... notetoselftime for new glasses prescription/notetoself jim On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jens-Uwe Korffjko...@fairfaxdigital.com.au wrote: Hi all, I

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)

2009-06-30 Thread Andrew Stewart
On 30 Jun 2009, at 16:46, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: For an example of a high-contrast version may I suggest to check out the Sydney Morning Herald's Travel section (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/ ). Click on Low vision in the navigation bar (We're going to replace low vision with high contrast

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)

2009-06-30 Thread Paul Novitski
At 6/29/2009 11:46 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: I found that some of these elements take quite some time to integrate. Creating high-contrast CSS can take up to a day (or more if you're new to it), non-Javascript states usually more than an hour because you also have to edit the script. By

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-06-30 Thread David Hucklesby
Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: Hi all, I believe making sites accessible is very important. We are all used to ramps near stairs, lifts near escalators, lowered curbs at intersections. We need to get used to baking in time into our projects for accessible elements. [...] I agree wholeheartedly.

RE: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)

2009-06-30 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
Hi, thank you for your thoughts and feedback. After all, the few people that do spend any time at all on making their websites accessible, probably aren't going to be experts in accessibility, so probably won't do a very good job of it. Yes and no. If we had no pioneers which