Re: [WSG] Styling forms

Thierry Koblentz wrote: On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com As a side note, I style these BRs with "display:none". I'm curious, what effect does that have on the styled page?Do you do something like... label { display : block; } br { display : none; } Hi Mike, I don

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

I don't use "display:block", most of the time I float everything and use the label to clear. Depending on the width of the labels I may use "text-align:right;" to move the text in the label toward the text box. I also set the widths in EMs, to avoid the text to wrap if it grows. With the fieldse

RE: [WSG] Styling forms

> On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com > > > > As a side note, I style these BRs with "display:none". > > I'm curious, what effect does that have on the styled page?Do you do > something like... > > label { > display : block; > } > > br { > display : none; > } Hi Mike, I don't use "display

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Joe Ortenzi wrote: Perhaps Chris But standards people are interested in following standards, not what others may do. We are meant to be leaders, not followers. I also know some people who still want tabled layouts running in Mambo. That doesn't mean their options are either standards complian

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ry Koblentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Styling forms On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com I don't think the break use has any bearing on the accessibility of the form's elements so that doesn't seem to have bearing

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-- origineel bericht -- Onderwerp: RE: [WSG] Styling forms Van:"Thierry Koblentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: 08-02-2008 19:42 > On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com > I don't think the break use has any bearing on the accessibility of the > f

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> On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com > I don't think the break use has any bearing on the accessibility of the > form's elements so that doesn't seem to have bearing on my decision. No > negatives that I'm aware of. > > Semantically speaking, I think the introduction of a break is akin to > addi

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side comments and such, but until HTML5 came along I thought it was just the way I interpreted the tag, so I didn't make any use of it. - Original Message - From: "Mike at Green-Beast.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:51 PM Subject

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that I know of so I may as well be accommodating :) Cheers. Mike - Original Message - From: "Thomas Thomassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Very interesting article. I'm reevaluating my options abou

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ends up in the same line without any CSS styling. - Original Message - From: "Mike at Green-Beast.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Hi Rachel, I'd be very interested in reading your article

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Hi Rachel, I'd be very interested in reading your article when it's ready For better or worse, it's published: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=254 Cheers. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.

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Chris Knowles wrote: CK> yes, but my point was that a lot of js libraries base drag and drop CK> re-ordering of elements around list elements and not other elements. And CK> I have noticed a lot of form building services use lists to markup forms CK> because they require drag and drop re-ordering

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Perhaps Chris But standards people are interested in following standards, not what others may do. We are meant to be leaders, not followers. I also know some people who still want tabled layouts running in Mambo. That doesn't mean their options are either standards compliant nor sensible.

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Joe Ortenzi wrote: I would have thought so. Isn't that what the id attribute is used for? Something for JavaScript to reference? Chris Knowles wrote: CK> from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a CK> lot to do with javascript libraries that have re-ordering of e

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I would have thought so. Isn't that what the id attribute is used for? Something for JavaScript to reference? On Feb 7 2008, at 22:17, Алексей Новиков wrote: Chris Knowles wrote: CK> from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a CK> lot to do with javascript libra

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.com Sent: Friday, 8 February 2008 11:24 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Hello Thomas, How does screenreaders treat using just ? I'm writing an article on just that thing now. Jaws is okay with it, but Windows Eyes chokes on it. That in itself may not

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-Beast.com Sent: Friday, 8 February 2008 11:24 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Hello Thomas, > How does screenreaders treat using just > ? I'm writing an article on just that thing now. Jaws is okay with it, but Windows Eyes chokes on it. That in

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I got a better theory on why lists are used for forms... people have fallen for lists and believe that they are the bees knees for every (x)html problem they encounter. >>> Chris Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/02/2008 6:53:08 am >>> Michael Horowitz wrote: > I've been looking at styling forms a

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

riginal Message - From: Joe Ortenzi To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Well done Alexey! Are we not confusing semantics with presentational here? if it is OK to strip the presentational out of a list element (w

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Chris Knowles wrote: CK> from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a CK> lot to do with javascript libraries that have re-ordering of elements by CK> drag and drop that tend to work mainly on lists. Therefore lists are CK> useful to wrap form elements if you are creati

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Michael Horowitz wrote: I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a lot to do with javasc

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Well done Alexey! Are we not confusing semantics with presentational here? if it is OK to strip the presentational out of a list element (when we use a list for a navigation

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> On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:29 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms > > TK> fwiw, I think BRs are the perfect fit. > > BRs? Are BRs semantically correct? I believe they aren't. 9.3.2 Con

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wrote: On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:29 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms TK> fwiw, I think BRs are the perfect fit. BRs? Are BRs semantically correct? I believe they aren't. -- Regards, Alexey Novikov http://studi

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Message - From: Joe Ortenzi To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Has anyone looked up the HTML 5 pages on form elements? http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/ http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#forms It's all fieldsets and labels..

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fwiw, I think BRs are the perfect fit. I agree. :) Mike - Original Message - From: "Thierry Koblentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Styling forms On Behalf Of Thomas Thomassen Sent: Thursday, February 07,

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:29 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms TK> fwiw, I think BRs are the perfect fit. BRs? Are BRs semantically correct? I believe they aren't. -- Regards, Alexey Novikov http://studi

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> On Behalf Of Thomas Thomassen > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:29 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms > > While I see your point, what I find to be troublesome is that Label and > Input are inline elements. While it's easy to

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w, one can assume that most users will be using a user agent applying CSS, so it might not be much of an issue. But I don't see as similar to . - Original Message - From: "Mike at Green-Beast.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:07 PM S

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EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Fieldsets and Labels is present in HTML4 as well. Don't see anything new about that. Still need some extra elements to organise them. Such as lists. - Original Message - From: Joe

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t: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Has anyone looked up the HTML 5 pages on form elements? http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/ http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#forms It's all fieldsets and labels... which makes more semantic sense than paragraphs, lists, and dd/dl JOe On Feb 6 2008

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On Feb 6, 2008 6:03 AM, sri kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FYI, your approach is perfect to my knowledge, but the element > should not wrapped by any element. It's not compliant/accessible... > For somebody labelling themselves "Webstandard guy", your knowledge is scarily off-base. FWIW,

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8 03:38 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Styling forms I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Comp

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does not wrap around the INPUT, the FOR attribute is required for useragent to know the elements are related. - Original Message - From: "John Faulds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Hi Germ17,

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- From: "John Faulds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Hi Germ17,I have seen your example presented in GERMWORKS.NETFYI, your approach is perfect to my knowledge, but the element should not wrapped by any e

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IL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms It kind of depends on the form itself. Definition lists and unordered lists also are used a lot. Usually, I would say unordered or definition lists are the most appropriate. If the questions were

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2008 12:52:58 +0900 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms good question!! I personally used to use lists then i realised that paragraphs actually use these code (both html and css) and is easier to stylise! I wrote some of my thoughts hear a wee

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Hi Germ17,I have seen your example presented in GERMWORKS.NETFYI, your approach is perfect to my knowledge, but the element should not wrapped by any element. It's not compliant/accessible...I request you to modify this example according to standards, if you believe the same. You're wron

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Yes you are right! Thanks for pointing that out and taking the time to show me the fix! On Feb 6, 2008 3:03 PM, sri kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Germ17, > I have seen your example presented in GERMWORKS.NET > > FYI, your approach is perfect to my knowledge, but

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hanks, Srikumar McAfee Inc | Project Lead | Webstandard Guy Mobile: +91 98800 31872 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:52:58 +0900 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms good question!! I personally used to use lists then i realised that paragraphs actuall

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38 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Styling forms I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer

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Forms should be marked up as you would anything else; If you are placing a paragraph in the form you should use a . If you are placing a list inside the form you should use a /, if you are placing headings inside the form you should use h1-h6 etc. etc. The inputs should be arranged using div's inst

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good question!! I personally used to use lists then i realised that paragraphs actually use these code (both html and css) and is easier to stylise! I wrote some of my thoughts hear a week or so ago! http://germworks.net/blog/2008/01/23/lists-p-whats-best-for-forms/ On Feb 6, 2008 12:38 PM, Mi

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It kind of depends on the form itself. Definition lists and unordered lists also are used a lot. Usually, I would say unordered or definition lists are the most appropriate. If the questions were numbered, I could see using ordered lists. Paragraphs are kind of the lazy way. You can also use f

[WSG] Styling forms

I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 **

Re: [WSG] Styling [Forms]

On Nov 4, 2007, at 5:27 AM, James Jeffery wrote: Hi all I have a select box that has a greater width and hight then the standard size. I am trying to center the default option that displays in the select box. I have tried padding: xem 0; and it centers the options when the list is displayed, b

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Hi James May be you'd better start thinking about one of those replacement techniques. This for instance http://easy-designs.net/articles/replaceSelect/ On 11/5/07, Chris Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James Jeffery wrote: > > > > I have a select box that has a greater width and hight then

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James Jeffery wrote: > > I have a select box that has a greater width and hight then the > standard size. I am trying to center the default option that displays > in the select box. I have tried padding: xem 0; and it centers the > options when the list is displayed, but the default option does no

[WSG] Styling [Forms]

Hi all I have a select box that has a greater width and hight then the standard size. I am trying to center the default option that displays in the select box. I have tried padding: xem 0; and it centers the options when the list is displayed, but the default option does not change. Basically i w

Re: [WSG] Styling forms inside a horizontal navigation bar

I haven't got access to IE/PC right now, but removing the floats and using display:inline worked for me in FF and Safari. change these two rules: #navbar ul { list-style-type: none; display:inline; } #navbar form { display:inline; margin-left: 6px; } On 21 Jun 2

[WSG] Styling forms inside a horizontal navigation bar

I'm trying to get a search form to appear neatly within a horizontal navigation bar. Here's my test page so far >== http://www.thesamaras.com/horiz/horiz_form.htm At the moment, the only way I can get this to work is to float the form within the containing div. I've noticed that IE and others seem

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m and you don't have to do any extra work. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling Forms Good e

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Good evening mates, First, thanks to all for the excellent advice and direction! I was successful in creating a table less form, albeit simple, that renders perfectly in IE6 (hard to believe), and damn good in FF1 and Opera7.4. If interested, the page is located at the following URL: http://www.

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G'day folks Firstly, apologies to Chris for not noticing that he'd already referred Mario to Cameron's article Secondly, Drew's points: > It may make styling easier but incorporating form controls in labels has a > different meaning than associating a label and a form control. For one > thing, i

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony TimberlakeSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:59 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Styling Forms I think that styling forms is very nice addon to any site.  Who wants to look at a

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I'm currently suggesting all input elements have a class to reflect the type. So they can be controlled via CSS a little easier. e.g. etc. Are there any associated issues that I've not considered? regards mike 2k:)2

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I think that styling forms is very nice addon to any site. And one thing more - you can't rely on it, you won't now how it is rendered on various platforms, nevertheless it might look weird, it might also be unusable etc. ... If you style 'em, you have to be careful. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB ::

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I think that styling forms is very nice addon to any site. See -- styling the form elements can make them look worse outside the major browsers. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com **

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dySent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:52 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Styling Forms[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Well, it seems that styling the actual form elements is the way to go,and  > certainly appears to be ideal for simple forms.I use FIELDSET, FORM etc as per ot

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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hardy Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling Forms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, it seems that styling the actual form elements is

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, it seems that styling the actual form elements is the way to go, and > certainly appears to be ideal for simple forms. I use FIELDSET, FORM etc as per other people's suggestions above, but my personal favourite is wrapping the relevant form field inside the LABEL

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Well, it seems that styling the actual form elements is the way to go, and certainly appears to be ideal for simple forms. Thank you Chris, Bert and Darren for the quick response, advice and links! Yours respectfully, Mario > G'day > >> I know there's two schools of thought regarding forms wher

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PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling Forms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Good evening all, > > I know there's two schools of thought regarding forms where one uses a > table and the other a definition list to style and layout the data fields. > > I

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G'day I know there's two schools of thought regarding forms where one uses a table and the other a definition list to style and layout the data fields. I have a simple form on a client's "Contact Us" page, and I wondered if there's a consensus as to which method is more semantically correct? Not su

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening all, I know there's two schools of thought regarding forms where one uses a table and the other a definition list to style and layout the data fields. I have a simple form on a client's "Contact Us" page, and I wondered if there's a consensus as to which method

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I'd be pointing you towards styling and elements rather than using or Good examples http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/InForm/ Cheers Chris On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Good evening all, > > I know there's two schools of thought regarding forms where one uses

[WSG] Styling Forms

Good evening all, I know there's two schools of thought regarding forms where one uses a table and the other a definition list to style and layout the data fields. I have a simple form on a client's "Contact Us" page, and I wondered if there's a consensus as to which method is more semantically c