Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-27 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in on the flash thing. I love CSS for yet another reason whenever I add flash to a site, since it usually involves a background image the same size as the movie, which when large (wider than 400px) can add to the wait time for the movie to run considerably.

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-27 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:18:16 -0400, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CSS solution: Put the flash movie into a div, then set the big background image you'd use for the movie as the background image on the div. Bang! Flash movie much smaller, loads much faster, big image

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-27 Thread Andrew Krespanis
On 9/28/05, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:18:16 -0400, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CSS solution: Put the flash movie into a div, then set the big background image you'd use for the movie as the background image on the div. Bang! Flash

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-27 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
The download time for the movie itself to start is reduced, obviously everything still needs to download, but in the sense where I don't need the image right away in the movie its swell. Joe Tom Livingston wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:18:16 -0400, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-27 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Another added thought is using flash detection to change the background image if flash isn't seen via javascript, the replacement image can be the same as the background image but with some text on it that emulates what the flash would've been. Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC 408 Route

RE: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-27 Thread kvnmcwebn
Andrew I'd much rather use a limited palette PNG via CSS than cross my fingers and hope that Flash's JPEG algorithm doesn't destroy my image Agreed the jpg comppressor in flash is brutal on lower and med quality but why not use the png in flash? Obviously this wouldnt work if

RE: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-26 Thread kvnmcwebn
'And I agree Sam, having movement like that behind text is one of the worst things you can do.' I think that was meant as an example. If this trick is used in a more ambiant way it could be really useful. Maybe just have some image substitution for opera until a solution is found.

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-26 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jon Dawson wrote: http://www.jomni.com/sandbox/flash_bg/ Not sure I know what it's supposed to look like. Opera 8.5 is presenting 3 lines of text on a gray background (default, I think), and a moving white box behind the text. http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/flashbgnd_op85_win2k.png Opera

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-26 Thread Christian Montoya
The only problem with this is sometimes when you right-click (if you ever need to right click) you get the Flash right-click options. You might also get certain Flash cursors instead of the default browser cursors. On 9/26/05, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'And I agree Sam, having movement

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-26 Thread Genau Junior
Christian Montoya wrote: The only problem with this is sometimes when you right-click (if you ever need to right click) you get the Flash right-click options. You might also get certain Flash cursors instead of the default browser cursors. On 9/26/05, *kvnmcwebn* [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-26 Thread ByteDreams
I remember coming across a fix for Opera that uses _javascript_, I just don't remember where I saw it now. Sorry! Eileen Russell http://www.bytedreams.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon DawsonSent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:57 PMTo:

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-26 Thread sam sherlock
or so sublte its unnoticable and it increases the overall complexity of the site SS kvnmcwebn wrote: 'And I agree Sam, having movement like that behind text is one of the worst things you can do.' I think that was meant as an example. If this trick is used in a more ambiant way it

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-25 Thread Zach Inglis
They probally meant setting it in CSS. Of course it's possible putting it over the top.Have you tried simple things such as z-index?Do you have a screenshot of what happens for those of us who have yet to install Opera.On 26 Sep 2005, at 00:57, Jon Dawson wrote:Hello all, I read recently that it

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-25 Thread sam sherlock
I thought it was not possible, since flash is suppose to be rendered outside the browser and place on top by the OS at least for windows anyway. I use flash some times and am not dead against it, I viewed you example in disbelief not expecting it to work I did in IE. I think it would in FF,

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-25 Thread Jon Dawson
It worked in IE, Firefox and Netscape but in Opera it just displays the swf and leaves no trace of the text. And I agree Sam, having movement like that behind text is one of the worst things you can do. It was more a Hey this is possible after all thing. For instance you could create a much

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-25 Thread Jason Foss
You'd need to be careful with this obviously, but it's handy to know it can be done. I don't think that a Flash background is necessarily bad in itself - it all depends on *how* it's done. On 26/09/05, Jon Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It worked in IE, Firefox and Netscape but in Opera it just