Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Iain Harrison wrote: Hello Gunlaug, Saturday, November 20, 2004, 12:05:19 AM, you wrote: IE6 should be seen as an obstacle from a users point of view, as well as from a web designer's position. I'm not a user and I don't design for IE6 either. Although I think I agree with you, the reality is

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-20 Thread Wayne Godfrey
I find your take on all this very interesting as it is my mindset to try and find the happy medium that you seemingly are now accomplishing. I was wondering if you can give links to some of your sites and/or to some of the discussions on css-d. IMHO your approach to throwing IE5/IE6 to the dogs

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Wayne Godfrey wrote: I find your take on all this very interesting as it is my mindset to try and find the happy medium that you seemingly are now accomplishing. I was wondering if you can give links to some of your sites and/or to some of the discussions on css-d. The thread should tell that I

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-20 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Wayne Godfrey wrote: Enjoy your upcoming Mac, I know you will. So I've been told by many. Hope to have an iMac up and running before x-mas (have already paid for it). Now I only have a dual-processor high speed multi-tasking workstation with multiple screens, and

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-19 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I know of no limitations in IE6 when doing this, and it saves some coding too. The improved box-model isn't reason enough to debug several versions of IE/win. IE/win can be made to almost behave like a good browser

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I don't belong to the group of screaming developers. Hi Georg, Sorry for this misunderstanding --I didn't mean to group you in any way. It's just that I was a bit amazed about your view when in general, the web standards 'society' regards IE as

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-18 Thread woric
Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode? I normally avoid quirks mode, but recently I had a client who insisted on different coloured scrollbars in different sections of the site. The demo pages worked straight away, but it took me ages to figure why it didn't work on

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-18 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Terrence Wood wrote: Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode? Yes, always... :) No, only if it's necessary and unavoidable, e.g. in Eric B. Bednarz's fixed-positioning solution: http://devnull.tagsoup.com/fixed/. I have seen this done on a couple

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-18 Thread Terrence Wood
It does take a lot of time to debug for 3 iterations of IE, and if the only benefit of IE6 standards mode is a fixed box model then it really is a disservice to paying customers to have an additional layer of CSS development/debugging which can be 'fixed' with a one liner @Phillipe... I

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I know of no limitations in IE6 when doing this, and it saves some coding too. The improved box-model isn't reason enough to debug several versions of IE/win. IE/win can be made to almost behave like a good browser should-- in quirks mode.

RE: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] [...] I know of no limitations in IE6 when doing this, and it saves some coding too. The improved box-model isn't reason enough to debug several versions of IE/win. IE/win can be made to almost behave like a good browser should-- in quirks mode. It's

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Patrick Lauke wrote: Anyway, if the whole quirks mode thing is only used to throw IE into the old box model, why not simply circumvent the problem by not using padding? If that _was_ the only difference that caused problems, yes I would go along with that. You are describing the solution I use

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-17 Thread Sam - SS29
I have forced Quirks mode for certain browsers in the past, I became quite an involved approach. My current goal is to use a robust xhtml/css layout and use a minium of hacks I am inspired by the concept of a sequence of css hacks to deliver certain styles to certain browsers

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Terrence Wood wrote: Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode? Yes, always... :) I have seen this done on a couple sites (ok...one), where the site has a comment in the first line before the doctype ( = quirks mode ).the notion of doing this seems attractive at first

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 18 Nov 2004, at 11:08 am, Terrence Wood wrote: Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode? I'm toying with the idea myself - 'cause, as far as I can see, IE6 pseudo standards mode is lots of pseudo, lots of instability, and hence mountains of head ache and wasted time on