Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread Dejan Kozina
No, you're right and it seems that I'm much dumber than that. The form uses POST indeed, but I managed to hide some link in a div with display: none to help the bots around my Java-only navigation (yes, it was that long ago; probably the very first CSS I wrote!)and, of course, one of those poin

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread Lachlan Hardy
kvnmcwebn wrote: "Nice script. What sort of attribution would you like if I borrow it?" It is brilliant Lachlan i'd like to use it to if you don't mind. Well, shucks, guys. Like I said, I didn't write it. I've just checked with a colleague, and as far as we can recall (this was months ago

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread Herrod, Lisa
now I just want to find a way to use it because it sounds so good! -Original Message- From: kvnmcwebn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2005 12:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] jump menu method "Nice script. What sort of attribution woul

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread kvnmcwebn
"Nice script. What sort of attribution would you like if I borrow it?" It is brilliant Lachlan i'd like to use it to if you don't mind. -best -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgro

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread Geoff Pack
Nice script. What sort of attribution would you like if I borrow it? Geoff. Lachlan Hardy wrote: > > Herrod, Lisa wrote: > > can you send a link to an example of one of these? > > Try this one: > http://www.business.vic.gov.au/ > > Hopefully, you'll forgive the lack of validation - not our >

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Terrence Wood wrote: where's the map? I'm sorry, I thought Lisa wanted an example of the unordered list conversion to dropdown list ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.c

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread Terrence Wood
Lachlan Hardy said: > Try this one: > http://www.business.vic.gov.au/ where's the map? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & get

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
2005 4:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] jump menu method Just a thought, but if all the links are counties within a greater whole, why not use a happy "map" image map interface? Thats a-okay standards-wise, and degrades nicely into a list of links, and looks cute

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-21 Thread kvnmcwebn
"Just a thought, but if all the links are counties within a greater whole, why not use a happy "map" image map interface? Thats a-okay standards-wise, and degrades nicely into a list of links, and looks cute for visitors." Joe there is a mapping system done w/ flash, i have to tie that in as wel

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Herrod, Lisa wrote: can you send a link to an example of one of these? Try this one: http://www.business.vic.gov.au/ Hopefully, you'll forgive the lack of validation - not our implementation, although I'm sure it'll get there eventually Cheers Lachlan ***

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Herrod, Lisa
can you send a link to an example of one of these? thanks, lisa -Original Message- From: Joseph R. B. Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 4:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] jump menu method Just a thought, but if all the links are

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Just a thought, but if all the links are counties within a greater whole, why not use a happy "map" image map interface? Thats a-okay standards-wise, and degrades nicely into a list of links, and looks cute for visitors. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Terrence Wood wrote: Lachlan Hardy sa

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Mark Stanton
You must have been using GET rather than POST.Spider's won't submit forms that us POST, but they have every right to follow forms that use GET. http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/04/24/deviant.html http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2005/05/06/This-Stuff-Matters -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Dejan Kozina
Just a quick correction to a previous message: searchbots DO submit HTML forms. Years ago I wrote a contact form (no javascript involved) with a PHP script sending mail to myself and didn't care to check if any user input was actually submitted, so now I know every time a bot passes by because

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
Lachlan Hardy said: > build the menu out of an unordered list then use Javascript to transform > that into a dropdown list for those with JS. > Consider it a 'white lie of web design' or call it 'progressive enhancement'. nice solution. kind regards Terrence Wood.

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: kvnmcwebn wrote: My big concerns: how to make these jump menus standards and seo friendly? As others have mentioned, there are various usability issues. However, in these circumstances (insistent clients etc) we usually build the menu out of an unordered list then use

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread kvnmcwebn
will do- thanks again terrence ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
kvnmcwebn said: > So-should i use the attribute as Charlie said > in addition to the redundant links? Or does the query based url throw a > wrench in the attribute? yes same thing applies - some spiders discard anything after the "?" to prevent endless loops and indexing session id's, referers

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread kvnmcwebn
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terrence Wood Sent: 20 November 2005 20:05 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] jump menu method kvnmcwebn said: > Theres no way of breaking down the navigation into smaller > chunks without creating a mystery meat situation. >

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Marko Mihelcic - founder of mcville.net (http.//www.mcville.net)|(http://board.mcville.net)
Heya- try to find some nice ajax drop down thingyee like moo.fx ( http://www.mad4milk.net/ ) cheers 2005/11/20, Terrence Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > kvnmcwebn said: > > Theres no way of breaking down the navigation into smaller > > chunks without creating a mystery meat situation. > > Here was the

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
kvnmcwebn said: > Theres no way of breaking down the navigation into smaller > chunks without creating a mystery meat situation. > Here was the simple method that i suggested.. > http://mcmonagle.biz/dropdowns/ That is quite different from the original sample supplied and it *does* look the ideal

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread kvnmcwebn
thanks charlie-thats interesting... so it looks like     />   />   />   /> and so on might help.   I dont think i can talk the client out of a drop down.           -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Charlie BartlettSe

Re: [WSG] jump menu method (Out of office until Nov 23)

2005-11-20 Thread Andy Neale
Hello, I am out of the office until Nov 23. I will have limited access to email so for any urgent queries please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] on (04) 474 3000 x8884. Thanks, Andy >>> wsg 11/21/05 08:34 >>> If you have to do it this way, and like everyone else I don't recommend it, then you could

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Charlie Bartlett
If you have to do it this way, and like everyone else I don't recommend it, then you could help the SEO by adding the pages in link tags to the head. see http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_link.asp for more info. Cheers Charlie web : http://www.bartlettdesign.co.uk mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 11/

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread kvnmcwebn
Thanks for the replies -this is going to be tuff- Patrick--- >>the menu functionality relies completely on javascript. >>Unless you do provide some other form of navigation that links >>to those pages, you're effectively hiding >>your pages from search engines. The .net programmer

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
On 21 Nov 2005, at 3:14 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: My big concerns: how to make these jump menus standards and seo friendly? Simple answer: You can't. Don't use this method as a navigation device: 1. Search engines don't submit forms, and they don't use javascript, so this kind of navigation menu

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
kvnmcwebn wrote: My big concerns: how to make these jump menus standards and seo friendly? Choose a Destination http://www.mySite.com/default.asp";>Home http://www.mySite.com/contact.asp";>Contact Us http://www.mySite.com/help.asp";>mySite.com Help Center A few issues: a) the menu func