Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-19 Thread ox4dboy
- Original Message - From: Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boots.com is one of the most 'formsy' web sites out there. I suggest you sign up for it and try to see what has been done there... Regards. boots.com redirects to bootsus.bri-global.com/ - is this the site you were referring

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-19 Thread Jason Grant
My boots.com does not redirect to that URL.Try this insted: http://www.boots.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/TopCategoriesDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10052 http://www.boots.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/TopCategoriesDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10052 Cheers, Jason On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM, [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-19 Thread Susan Grossman
I have an obsession with web form styling - I cannot stand ugly web form :-) Fieldset, label and input tags are enough for basic and nice styling, no extra div needed. fieldset legendspanContact Information/span/legend label for= xyz/label

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-17 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Actually, the label tag wrapped around form input is the old traditional method. The for attribute method was introduced later to allow designers greater flexibility in positioning/styling forms whilst maintaining accessibility. On Fri, October 17, 2008 12:53 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-17 Thread ox4dboy
- Original Message - From: Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:51:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend You should also be aware of the fact that for a

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-17 Thread Jason Grant
You don't need the nested fieldset for styling, but for semantics and general better structure/meaning of your form. It so happens that you can also then style that section nicer if you need to. More bloated than it needs to be? Yes. Is it better to use a list instead of divs? Of course it is. As

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-17 Thread tee
On Oct 17, 2008, at 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my next bone to pick, and why I really liked the label wrapper. I really dislike the idea of wrapping the label input in a div but I will likely have to for the exact point you have made. I need lots of flexibility but want

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-17 Thread Jason Grant
Boots.com is one of the most 'formsy' web sites out there. I suggest you sign up for it and try to see what has been done there. It's not bad and it will give insight into today's commercial needs from clients regarding forms. Hope that helps as a concrete example. Regards. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-17 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Stuart Foulstone wrote: Actually, the label tag wrapped around form input is the old traditional method. The for attribute method was introduced later to allow designers greater flexibility in positioning/styling forms whilst maintaining accessibility. Really? As far as I can tell looking at

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread David Dorward
Jason Grant wrote: Ok you got both of these quite wrong for following reasons: In the first instance you shouldn't use b or br / at all. In the second instance you should not wrap input into label as the label should quite clearly be used for denoting a label of an input field and not the

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Johan Douma
I've always used label arount input fields labeltext: input type=text //label without the for= attribute. I've never had problems with it, and I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. Johan Douma [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/10/16 David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Grant

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Jason Grant
This is the first time for me to see someone proposing use of labelinput //label structure.I agree that ol is not strictly necessary and that a form is not necessarily a list, but one could argue that you are dealing with a list of form input elements. Read more why I do this here:

RE: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Tatham Oddie
Johan – what you are describing is the correct usage in that scenario. Thanks, Tatham Oddie callto:+61414275989 call:+61414275989, callto:+61280113982 call:+61280113982, skype:tathamoddie?call skype:tathamoddie, msnim:[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Johan Douma wrote: I've always used label arount input fields labeltext: input type=text //label without the for= attribute. I've never had problems with it, and I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. There's a discussion about some problems with that pattern at:

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Svip
2008/10/16 David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Grant wrote: Ok you got both of these quite wrong for following reasons: In the first instance you shouldn't use b or br / at all. In the second instance you should not wrap input into label as the label should quite clearly be used for

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Jason Grant
Ok you got both of these quite wrong for following reasons: In the first instance you shouldn't use b or br / at all. In the second instance you should not wrap input into label as the label should quite clearly be used for denoting a label of an input field and not the input field itself. Using a

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hi Ben, I've always used label arount input fields [...] I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. Here's one for you: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=254 I haven't been paying attention to this, and someone's probably already said it (if so, sorry), but it's also worth

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread David Dorward
Johan Douma wrote: I've always used label arount input fields labeltext: input type=text //label without the for= attribute. I've never had problems with it, and I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. Support is weaker then for the for attribute, so I would avoid it. It

RE: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Rachel Radford
I understand where you’re coming from because for some designs the legend isn’t easy to style consistently cross-browser, and so sometimes I have used a heading instead. However if possible, using the legend is much better. I also used to wrap form inputs in labels for the same reason as

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread ox4dboy
Thank you everyone for your replies. So it seems the trusty old traditional filedset llegendContact Information/legend label for=nameName/labelbr / input id=name type=text /fieldset is the way to go to keep all browsers and screen readers happy. I think I can likely lose the br / and