Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-30 Thread Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
The voices are telling me Marilyn Langfeld said on 12/29/2004 6:44 AM: I wanted to add that I've had success with small businesses by describing how easily their sites can be redesigned using CSS (show them CSS Zen Garden). If they've already gone through a redesign, they've been impressed. If

RE: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Christie Mason
I think you've hit on something with the thought below. It's easier to sell control than quicker loading, etc. People buy based on emotion and then justify that decision based on facts. Control is a strong buying motivator. Acceptance is another. One or the other motivator will work with most

Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:08:30 +0800, Wong Chin Shin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Designers, how would YOU approach selling this concept? Or would you? 2) Managers, what would catch YOUR attention in a pitch geared towards this? I'm not really either... but I can tell you that the company I work

RE: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Wong Chin Shin
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] making money out of web standards I think you've hit on something with the thought below. It's easier to sell control than quicker loading, etc. People buy based on emotion and then justify that decision based on facts. Control is a strong buying motivator. Acceptance

Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
I wanted to add that I've had success with small businesses by describing how easily their sites can be redesigned using CSS (show them CSS Zen Garden). If they've already gone through a redesign, they've been impressed. If not, and they are fearful of making mistakes with the first go, their

Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Separating content and layout made perfect sense to me as a programmer. XML/XSLT is good 'cos it allows me to modularize sections of a site without having to resort to server-side technologies. ...except server-side XSLT transformation, right? Because XSLT on client side is non-semantic,

RE: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Wong Chin Shin
: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:13 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards ...except server-side XSLT transformation, right? Because XSLT on client side is non-semantic, incompatible and hardly accessible

Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Wong Chin Shin wrote: Sorry, don't really understand what you mean by your statement below. The XSL document may not be readable but the XML can be set to be as readable and descriptive as we want it to? I think what Kornel meant (with some possible elucidations from me) was that XML/XSLT, while

Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Wong Chin Shin wrote: Sorry, don't really understand what you mean by your statement below. The XSL document may not be readable but the XML can be set to be as readable and descriptive as we want it to? Search engines, browsers, etc will treat your XML merely as a plain text document, as they

Spam: RE: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Nick Cowie
Wong wrote: Ok, so a programmer may not be able to come out with works of art, but hey, I just want a corporate-looking site. Banner on top, footer bottom, menu on the left yadda yadda. Mr programmer, you can do that, right? No, go read How Do People Evaluate a Web Site's Credibility?

Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-28 Thread Miriam English
Hi, It occurs to me that a way of marketing web standards is in fear of not being seen. There is a big boom in mobile and handheld computing and access to the net, and it seems to be gathering pace. Keeping to standards allows such devices (and anything else that may come along) to access pages

RE: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-28 Thread Henry Tapia
1) Designers, how would YOU approach selling this concept? Or would you? Here's my take as a designer/IA/coder who works in a similar market space to you: Sell the aesthetics, functionality and usability of the product. This is what makes your solution intelligent and different from the