RE: [WSG] Awards for websites with "vision" (verification)

2003-12-02 Thread Peter Firminger
Please send these issues directly to Russ and I ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as they are archived to mail-archive.com otherwise which isn't a good thing. Messages like these will generally only be sent to the sender, not the list and wouldn't be archived otherwise. I have already asked him (before he was c

[WSG] AIMIA Awards

2003-12-02 Thread James
Hello All, The AIMIA award entry date has been extended to Sunday 7th December. http://www.aimia.com.au/default.asp?content=dynamic&title=AIMIA+Awards+2003&casid=2622&docid=1914&type=1&children=&refresh=Thu%20Nov%2013%2017%3A08%3A31%20UTC+1100%202003 AIMIA Award 2003 Categories AIMIA / World Sum

RE: [WSG] Awards for websites with "vision" (verification)

2003-12-02 Thread Mark Stanton
If you follow the instructions you will only get it once (for each user using it). I understand what they are trying to do, but I agree that it is not the most appropriate method of spam trapping, but silly times call for silly measures. Maybe you can get your spam filter to filter out the spam g

Re: [WSG] Awards for websites with "vision" (verification)

2003-12-02 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Apologies for this OT, but: http://static.samspade.org/spamarrest.html I don't really want this everytime I post to the list. Anyone else getting it? Cheers James Ryan wrote: Ryan here, Hey - this is an automated message, but read it anyway. I'm protecting myself from getting s

Re: [WSG] Awards for websites with "vision"

2003-12-02 Thread James Ellis
Yes, the text is a bit small on the BBC site... :D Mark Stanton wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3256346.stm As far as I can tell the winner was: * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ ***

[WSG] Firebird nightly builds

2003-12-02 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey All Decided to grab the nightly build of Firebird the other day and found a few interesting little changes in it: - New download manager (more style than substance) - An installer - The Mozilla DOM Inspector!!! This last one was an excellent surprise as it was the one thing Mozilla had & Fi

[WSG] Awards for websites with "vision"

2003-12-02 Thread Mark Stanton
"Six websites have been given a Visionary Design Award for their efforts to make them easily accessible for people with sight problems." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3256346.stm As far as I can tell the winner was: http://www.manutd.com/access/ which has an interesting setup proce

RE: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...

2003-12-02 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Chris As people have mentioned scroll bar colouring is not part of the W3C spec yadda, yadda.. My 2c, personally I don't like changing scroll bar colours and other aspects of the user's "environment", but for certain clients we will do it. It doesn't have any detrimental effect in other

Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...

2003-12-02 Thread James Ellis
Hi Scrollbars are browser widgets, not the viewport - this is why valid CSS2 doesn't include the MS only values you mention. Scrollbars are set by the OS - they should remain consistent with the other programs a user is using to ensure a consistent experience. For instance setting a scrollbar

RE: [WSG] Russ strikes again

2003-12-02 Thread Lindsay Evans
Mark Stanton wrote: > I swear /. is next. > > http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2003_12.html#a000259 > > Can you spell T_tal W_rld D_mination? Well done Russ, keep up the > mighty fine work. heh - Russ Weaklyorial Still no Russ Method though :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Squ

Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...

2003-12-02 Thread Rob Halff
I think it's a shame it isn't part of the CSS specification, how about when using overflow: auto; ? The scrollbar can be in the middle of the page and will be the only element that isn't styleable.. which kinda ..ucks.. :-) To my opinion every element appearing inside the page should be styleabl

[WSG] Web standards brain dump...

2003-12-02 Thread russ weakley
I am going to do a quick talk about web standards to a group of final year students tomorrow. As with all of us, I'm up to my eyeballs in work. So, I thought I'd do a brain dump and then get feedback from the group. "Lean and clean! Building a site with web standards" http://www.maxdesign.com.au

RE: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...

2003-12-02 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Chris,   I think the first thing is that it's an annoyance to some (read: me). Whenever I look at http://virginblue.com.au/ I groan and think that some little kid had a field day with Frontpage. (Hopefully the author isn't on the list. Sorry if you are.) Let the system do the chrome elemen

Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...

2003-12-02 Thread Neil Christensen
>> . . . it works in Internet Explorer.   That's because scrollbar coloring is Microsoft proprietary CSS. Furthermore, it is not defined or endorsed by the W3C. (http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/scrollbars.html) Neil ChristensenWeb CoordinatorSalt Lake City School District WEBSITE: http:

Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...

2003-12-02 Thread Veine K Vikberg
Hello Chris; At 04:28 AM 12/3/2003 +1100, you wrote: I have noticed that the scrollbar colouring is not a standard piece of CSS material& For example: Body { background-color: #EE; scrollbar-base-color: #808080; scrollbar-arrow-color: #808080; scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #008000; scrollbar-fac

RE: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...

2003-12-02 Thread Michael Efford
Hi Chris,   The scrollbar attributes are proprietary IE code. They arn't in the official CSS2 spec. There's nothing really wrong with using them, the only downside is that your CSS won't pass the validator, but that's hardly a concern if they are the only errors shown.   Regards, Michael Ef

[WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...

2003-12-02 Thread Chris Stratford
I have noticed that the scrollbar colouring is not a standard piece of CSS material…   For example:   Body { background-color: #EE; scrollbar-base-color: #808080; scrollbar-arrow-color: #808080; scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #008000; scrollbar-face-color: #808080; scrollbar-hig

[WSG] Russ strikes again

2003-12-02 Thread Mark Stanton
I swear /. is next. http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2003_12.html#a000259 Can you spell T_tal W_rld D_mination? Well done Russ, keep up the mighty fine work. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 843

[WSG] :hover accessibility

2003-12-02 Thread Ben Boyle
does anyone else feel that :hover is a little too enticing and likely to lead to some accessibility issues? depends on what you're using it for of course, rollover images is a non-issue, but for things like rollover menus, where's the keyboard support? just a random thought. ***

Re: [WSG] :hover accessibility

2003-12-02 Thread Tonico Strasser
Ben Boyle wrote: does anyone else feel that :hover is a little too enticing and likely to lead to some accessibility issues? depends on what you're using it for of course, rollover images is a non-issue, but for things like rollover menus, where's the keyboard support? :focus is a good choice for

Re: [WSG] :hover accessibility

2003-12-02 Thread Moose
does anyone else feel that :hover is a little too enticing and likely to lead to some accessibility issues? No. I seriously hope this part of CSS doesn't get blacklisted as inaccessible. depends on what you're using it for of course, Exactly. Any tool can be misused in a variety of ways. There i

[WSG] :hover accessibility

2003-12-02 Thread Ben Boyle
does anyone else feel that :hover is a little too enticing and likely to lead to some accessibility issues? depends on what you're using it for of course, rollover images is a non-issue, but for things like rollover menus, where's the keyboard support? just a random thought.

[WSG] Russ strikes again

2003-12-02 Thread Mark Stanton
I swear /. is next. http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2003_12.html#a000259 Can you spell T_tal W_rld D_mination? Well done Russ, keep up the mighty fine work. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433