[WSG] Standards compliant HTML and flashvars don't mix [Virus checkedAU]
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Re: [WSG] CSS Menu Issues - Client Site
Hi Jezz,
I haven't looked at question 1, but here is 2 and 3.
2) If you have the list items on a single line in your code these
breaks disappear. Funny because I thought this issue was only with IE.
example: lia href=#Item one/a/lilia href=#Item
two/a/lilia href=#Item three/a/li
3) The break is due to you adding a top margin height of 7 pixels on
your unorderlist.
#navlist ul {
padding: 0;
margin: 7px 0 0 0;
}
If you remove this and leave margin at 0 this break will close.
I'll see what your question 1 is about.
Ian.
www.e-lusion.com
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Hello there.
I'm developing a site for a local hat shop, and I'm having some
problems
with the menu. If you could please take a look at the following link:
http://www.affectus.net/freelance/2004_05_phathats/
Here are the issues I am experiencing:
1) I would like for the navigation to stretch 100% of the width
(750px). I will style the a:active stuff later, once the base is
aligned the
way I would like.
2) I notice there is a break between the different boxes of
the
navigation. I'd like to know how to get rid of these things.
3) In Firefox .8 (which I test on), I find that there is a
break in the
white background right about where the navigation is. I would like
to make a
solid white background from header to footer.
Thanks so much for your time. I hope you guys can figure it out,
I've been
banging my head on the table for the last two hours.
Jeremy Shields
www.jezzjournal.com http://www.jezzjournal.com/
www.affectus.net http://www.affectus.net/
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[WSG] Floats changing when mouseover How to fix?
I know I've seen the answer to this somewhere but I'm blowed if I can find where now.. On my page at http://bluegrass.org.au/Magazine/newreleases/index.cfm. Using IE6, when you put the mouse over the link more . the float containing the image reduces in size to match the 'more' link. Then when you mouseover the image, which is also a link, you see the whole image again. (the CSS is at http://bluegrass.org.au/styles/Bluegrass_Australia.css ) Can anyone tell me what to do about it please? Or point me to the article about this that I can't find now? Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Ordered List numbering format
Miles Tillinger wrote: Is there an accepted number format for ordered lists? When using ordered lists in a structured document, e.g. a Policy or Standards document, I'm using the following numbering format: So parts of the document can be referenced as 1.2 section a item i, which seems pretty messy... There probably isn't a standard as such, but if there is I can't find any reference to it. If you're going to reference the numbers they are content. Content needs to make sence even without styling. conclusion: Put the numbers in your html. example: a href=#item_1_2_a_i1.2 section a item i/a li id=item_1_2_a_ii) title/li -- Kristof * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Floats changing when mouseover How to fix?
where now.. On my page at http://bluegrass.org.au/Magazine/newreleases/index.cfm. Using IE6, when you put the mouse over the link more . the float containing the image reduces in size to match the 'more' link. Then when you mouseover the image, which is also a link, you see the whole image again. (the CSS is at http://bluegrass.org.au/styles/Bluegrass_Australia.css ) Can anyone tell me what to do about it please? Or point me to the article about this that I can't find now? Cheers Mike Kear Peekaboo: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html drew * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] KHTML ??
guys what is KHTML ? -- http://www.jadmadi.net/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Rant about Bobby
Dear Group, Ive come to use Bobby for one reason and that is insuring that all images have alt tags. I manage a website or at least try to where too many people have the ability to add content and unfortunately other items to our website. In my opinion the comments pages that come up are too cumbersome and many comments do not address issues on my page but possible issues or they are incorrect. It has also called me on a linking issue where one word out of three was the same to describe two different links and told me I shouldnt use the same description to describe different links. Nancy Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Greenstock Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Rant about Bobby
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
At 14:10 on Thursday, 10 Jun 2004, Jad Madi wrote: guys what is KHTML ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML and you'll probably like this: http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com (I'll get my coat) ;o) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
Am 10.06.2004 um 15:10 schrieb Jad Madi: guys what is KHTML ? please use google before you post to the list (http://www.google.com/search?q=khtmlie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8). it's the rendering engine from konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org/features/browser.php) which is also used in apples rendering engine WebCore (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/) and their browser safari (http://www.apple.com/safari/). konqueror had very bad css support but apple cleaned khtml quite well it up so konquerors support is better now as well. at least afaik :) however i haven't tested/tried it in the last few months. regards, michael -- Michael Zeltner Netalley Networks LLP http://www.netalleynetworks.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:10:57 +0200, Jad Madi wrote: guys what is KHTML ? Konquerer's HTML Engine. (I think thats poorly phrased - very late here :)) Hmmm... google differs to the site http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:J5VRiWhbqvcJ:www.konqueror.org/konq-browser.html+site:konqueror.org+khtmlhl=en vs. http://www.konqueror.org/ Lea ~ Must Sleep... -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Web Design, Usability, Information Architecture, Search Engine Optimisation Brisbane, Australia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] KHTML ??
http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/kde3arch/khtml/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jad Madi Sent: 10 June 2004 14:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] KHTML ?? guys what is KHTML ? -- http://www.jadmadi.net/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
just in the art of humur? What is Google? Camz :D - Original Message - From: Michael Zeltner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? Am 10.06.2004 um 15:10 schrieb Jad Madi: guys what is KHTML ? please use google before you post to the list (http://www.google.com/search?q=khtmlie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8). it's the rendering engine from konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org/features/browser.php) which is also used in apples rendering engine WebCore (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/) and their browser safari (http://www.apple.com/safari/). konqueror had very bad css support but apple cleaned khtml quite well it up so konquerors support is better now as well. at least afaik :) however i haven't tested/tried it in the last few months. regards, michael -- Michael Zeltner Netalley Networks LLP http://www.netalleynetworks.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 06:56 PM, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: just in the art of humur? What is Google? Camz :D www.fuckingkhtmlit.com N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
LOL - Original Message - From: Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 06:56 PM, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: just in the art of humur? What is Google? Camz :D www.fuckingkhtmlit.com N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] KHTML ??
Title: RE: [WSG] KHTML ?? *shakes head* I bet you guys are among the few that find Steve Martin films funny, right? :) Jamie Mason: Design T: (01423) 700849 -Original Message- From: t94xr.net.nz webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 June 2004 10:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? LOL - Original Message - From: Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 06:56 PM, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: just in the art of humur? What is Google? Camz :D www.fuckingkhtmlit.com N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] KHTML ??
I smell a scathing rant from the list dads for this thread. Will Chatham -Original Message- From: Jamie Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:40 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [WSG] KHTML ?? *shakes head* I bet you guys are among the few that find Steve Martin films funny, right? :) Jamie Mason: Design T: (01423) 700849 -Original Message- From: t94xr.net.nz webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 June 2004 10:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? LOL - Original Message - From: Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 06:56 PM, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: just in the art of humur? What is Google? Camz :D www.fuckingkhtmlit.com N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
RE: [WSG] KHTML ??*shakes head* I bet you guys are among the few that find Steve Martin films funny, right? :) Well we do try :D And whos Steve Martin? Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
Jamie Mason wrote: *shakes head* I bet you guys are among the few that find Steve Martin films funny, right? Who's Steve Martin? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] KHTML ??
Title: RE: [WSG] KHTML ?? This is where I ask you to go to google, right? Jamie Mason: Design T: (01423) 700849 -Original Message- From: Jonathan Morton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 June 2004 15:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? Jamie Mason wrote: *shakes head* I bet you guys are among the few that find Steve Martin films funny, right? Who's Steve Martin? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
ADMIN Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? - Thread Closed
Ok. You guys have had a fair run. Not more posts on this topic please. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Sydney meeting tonight
Tonight 44 people attended our Sydney WSG meeting - a huge night (where lots of beer was consumed). A big thank you to Peter Ottery, who did a fantastic presentation on the Sydney Morning Herald site and its conversion to full CSS. We will get the presentation up on the WSG site as soon as possible. Thanks to all who turned up! Russ and Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Sydney meeting tonight
On 6/10/04 11:43 AM, Russ Weakley - Maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonight 44 people attended our Sydney WSG meeting - a huge night (where lots of beer was consumed). Just wondering where the Canadians are in this group? Would be so bad to have an event or two? I think I could get more uni web folks involved in Ontario anyway. The count says: Canada 29 Jesse -- Jesse Rodgers Manager, Web Communications Communications Public Affairs - University of Waterloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 519.888.4567 ext. 3874 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Rant about Bobby
Hello, Just as there are ways to create hackfree markup and css, there are ways to satisfy Bobby. Usually by the time one has done it, one has come up with a better page. Using Bobby has probably been the one thing that helped me to learn to appreciate the value of well structured markup. I learned more about standards and accessibility there than I can ever expect to here. In fact, I would have to say that I much prefer Bobby, with its tight-lipped, pitiless scrutiny. At least one can expect some kind of a clue as to which direction to turn. Whatsmore, if one disagrees with Bobby, one may write to Watchfire and raise one's objections. The folks there actually DO reply. I know this from experience. What may one come to expect from the WSG list? http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com. Real cute. Cheers, Roy Nancy Johnson wrote: Dear Group, I've come to use Bobby for one reason and that is insuring that all images have alt tags. I manage a website or at least try to where too many people have the ability to add content and unfortunately other items to our website. In my opinion the comments pages that come up are too cumbersome and many comments do not address issues on my page but possible issues or they are incorrect. It has also called me on a linking issue where one word out of three was the same to describe two different links and told me I shouldn't use the same description to describe different links. Nancy Johnson * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] next Bris meeting: (was: Sydney meeting tonight)
next Bris meeting: I should remember from the inaugural one when the next is (but I've forgotten) can someone please remind me for my diary? thanx barry.b Barry Beattie CF Web Developer Alpha Business Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 07 3216 0999 Unit 1, 31 Thompson Street Bowen Hills QLD 4006 www.alphabus.com.au Virus Disclaimer: Please note that this email may contain computer-generated file(s) as an attachment. Whereas we take every effort to protect our files from computer virus, we recommend that you check the file(s) with your own virus detection software prior to opening it. If you would prefer to receive a hardcopy of the file please email or phone. Alpha Business Systems does not accept liability for the consequences of any computer viruses that may be transmitted with this email. Confidentiality: This email and any attached files are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in error, please advise us by return email or phone and disregard the contents and immediately delete it and destroy any copies -Original Message- From: J Rodgers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 3:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Sydney meeting tonight On 6/10/04 11:43 AM, Russ Weakley - Maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonight 44 people attended our Sydney WSG meeting - a huge night (where lots of beer was consumed). Just wondering where the Canadians are in this group? Would be so bad to have an event or two? I think I could get more uni web folks involved in Ontario anyway. The count says: Canada 29 Jesse -- Jesse Rodgers Manager, Web Communications Communications Public Affairs - University of Waterloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 519.888.4567 ext. 3874 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Some links for light reading...
Let's start with some happy stuff... CSS Teaser Box - very nice tutorial from Roger Johansson: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/css_teaser_box/ An insane list - Bending the Matrix http://www.orderedlist.com/examples/the_bend Then we have a bit of a validation discussion sweeping the web... The Standards Police will get you! http://www.headsdown.com/darkside/2004/05/standards-police-will-get-you-i-go t.html Mezzoblue - The Standards Police http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/06/09/the_standard/index.php Photomatt - The Standards Police http://photomatt.net/archives/2004/06/10/standards-police/ Then some off-shoot discussions: http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/06/ampersands-matter Roger Johansson: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ampersands_and_validation/ Then on a slightly down note... Sick Of Web Standards: http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archives/sick_of_web_standards.php Burnt Out on Web Standards: http://www.digital-web.com/news/2004/06/burnt_out_on_web_standards/ On that note, I'll get back to work... Russ The Australian Museum. Australia's first - and leading - natural sciences and anthropology museum. Visit www.amonline.net.au The views in this email are those of the user and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Australian Museum. The information contained in this email message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential and is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this email or any attached files is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender.The Australian Museum does not guarantee the accuracy of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. As Internet communications are not secure, the Australian Museum does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files.
[WSG] G RATED LIST
LOL Yeah, I'm not laughing! You should see the bounces I get from many many (Government) mail servers that block anything containing the f word (probably when it is in a URL). New rule (I really didn't think we had to make a rule about this) Anyone using profanity on this list in future will be dumped with extreme prejudice. Even if they're in urls. We have many members from many cultures/religions AND we have students as well, some quite young. I will not stand for anything that can possibly offend any member, especially when it adds to the weight of bounces into my inbox. We are definitely G RATED. Crap is the worst word I'll allow on the list. Don't answer, it isn't negotiable. and you'll probably like this: http://www... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Next Bris meeting
next Bris meeting: I should remember from the inaugural one when the next is (but I've forgotten) The next Brisbane meeting is on the 14th July 2004. Planning is underway now. An official announcement will be made in the next week or so. Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 To unsubscribe from this email please forward this email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individuals portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular clients investments, financial circumstances and requirements. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited (ABN 49 010 669 726 AFSL 235410) A Participant of ASX Group
