Christian Montoya wrote:
I'll probably be using conditional comments for the next five years,
and everytime I use them I think to myself, this would just be easier
if IE worked the same as FF/Opera/Safari.
It sure would, but would IE be 'MSIE' then? :-)
Besides, I think someone will have to
On 10/13/05, Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you've gone against all sane advice and used CSS hacks then you knewexactly what you were in for with future browsers and potential problems.Don't look at me.
I don't want to see an M$ bitch session develop here while Microsoft
hi all,
it may be that FF sucks sometimes a bit,
the application-size is already reaching 40mb on my system,
anyway - it is still the best solution for a browser,
except for O 8.5 - that one has the facilities to get better maybe ...
but FF is the icon and the symbol for Open Source getting
If you don't use CSS hacks you have 2 options.
1. Avoid CSS that is buggy in a browser.
2. Use other hacks like conditional comments. (Conditional comments
*are* hacks, there just intentional ones)
Number 1 is simply not an option unless your willing to look like
useit.com or something. Number
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:34:35 +0930, Katrina wrote:
May I ask you which college/uni teaches web development?
I believe Craig is a TAFE student in Brisbane, but I could be mistaken.
warmly,
Lea
--
Lea de Groot
Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/
Brisbane, Australia
Helmut Granda wrote:
. . .
it seems like FF is loosing terrain, is w3schools accurate?
No they're not, in fact I think there is a note about how they are no
accurate on the page there.
Or is there
anyother place that I can check what the general public is using.
There are 3 kinds of
Web page designed by clueless person. Film at 11.
Personally I think both designs have issues. The font size is too small
on the first one, and in the second one its a good size but it overflows
eveywhere. And don't go in to the code behind it all.
Kids these days :P
Felix Miata wrote:
Soren
In my experience Firefox runs a lot better on linux, and even faster onWindows. A lot of the stuff that firefox does on linux it could really
improve. I think the reason that it's like that is because most of themain developers use windows and they're trying to appeal to themainstream (i.e.
Hi Gail. i was just thinking about this last night. After recently
reading Eat Shoots and Leaves i've become more aware of punctuation
and how it aids in the rhythm of words, and phrases, and thus
comprehension. it would seem to me that a colon would help a screen
reader user. and your
Yes, but it also depends on the context. Remember that the input does
not nessisarily follow the label. And in some situations, a colon might
not fit (visually).
Alan Trick
Zach Inglis wrote:
It makes things easier to associate in my opinion. At the end of the day
its just punctuation... like
On 10/12/05, Craig Rippon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Genuine question:
Is this because they visit, it doesn't work, and they don't come back,
forever losing them as a customer?
Probably not. Linux users tend to be running either a Gecko-based
browser (Mozilla, Firefox, Galeon and Epiphany being
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 02:58 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote:
I think of it more as, on Mac there is a decent browser (safari). So
there isn't much need for FF there. Whereas PC users really need FF.
It's also worth remembering Opera have recently released their browser
for free (as in beer), so
On 10/12/05, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but there should be something similar which uses the KDE desktop.
Knoppix uses KDE from (rather rusty) memory
http://www.Knoppix.org
It does. There's also a KDE version of Ubuntu called Kubuntu:
http://kubuntu.org/
--
May the forces of
I need to demonstrate the design/structure of a website that will
later house dynamic content - but at the moment it is plain static
xhtml/css templates.
In particular I'd like to highlight the site search facility and how
searching for different terms can give you very different results.
I'd
Here are some other browser stat resources for what they are worth...
http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm
http://www.webreference.com/stats/browser.html
http://www.echoecho.com/
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/
Stuart Sherwood
www.re-entity.com
Peter Firminger wrote:
If you've gone against all sane advice and used CSS hacks
then you knew exactly what you were in for with future
browsers and potential problems.
...
Sorry for the smug told you so, but many people including
myself have made this very clear over the whole life of
On 10/13/05, Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you've gone against all sane advice and used CSS hacks then you knew
exactly what you were in for with future browsers and potential problems.
A hack is a hack is a hack. Calling a hack a conditional comment
doesn't magically make it
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 03:16 -0400, James Bennett wrote:
Since Gecko-based browsers render (nearly) identically on all
platforms, there's no need to worry on that count
snip
I thought I'd take this opportunity to hijack a thread and ask about a
weird problem I've been having with Firefox on
Hi all!
Various great sites give instructions on how to create faux columns for
fixed-width designs and how to do it for liquid designs.
But what happens if I have a navbar with a fixed width floating left,
and a liquid content with two columns floating right?
To make it a bit more clear:
Does this help?http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/design/faux-columns-for-liquid-layouts/-- - C Montoya
rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com
On 10/13/05, Titanilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The border you see next to the left navbar is a background image. What I
need is the same looking border between the other two columns, set at a
percentage width to 'shrink' with the page if necessary.
But when I try to place a background image
I discovered a page today that's all about counters and printing
things here:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/CSS:Getting_Started:Media#Action:_Printing_a_document
I didn't think Firefox supported counters, though... I'd read that
Opera did (but later checked that and apparently it's
Christian Montoya wrote:
Does this help?
http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/design/faux-columns-for-liquid-layouts/
Not quite, I've known it already.
See, the problem is I've got a design which is half fixed, half liquid.
These techniques are either for fixed pages (with one fixed background
Joshua Street wrote:
Change your background GIF to a 2px by 7px graphic, instead of 210px
wide as at present. Then, use background-position to put it in place.
You can specify that as an em value to make it work well with fluid
layouts.
HTH,
Josh
I'm not sure I understand you right. The
On 13 Oct 2005, at 8:34 pm, Joshua Street wrote:
I discovered a page today that's all about counters and printing
things here:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/CSS:Getting_Started:Media#Action:
_Printing_a_document
I didn't think Firefox supported counters, though... I'd read that
First off the site was designed before Firefox and was my
first site. Now I have been seeing things were Firefox is displaying somethings
differently then IE which is fine except one thing.
On http://www.jimjacobe.com/ClassDescriptions.html
I have listed classes for an instructor,
Titanilla wrote:
Joshua Street wrote:
Change your background GIF to a 2px by 7px graphic, instead of
210px wide as at present. Then, use background-position to put it
in place.
I'm not sure I understand you right.
Keep existing background-image where it is.
Add a trimmed down version of
That's not really true, Alan. A site without CSS hacks does not
necessarily have to be ugly. I develop table-less ASP.NET sites using
CSS and I have never used a single CSS hack or conditional comment,
yet my sites are still clean, good-looking and functional in the
leading browsers (IE, FF,
On Oct 13, 2005, at 12:55 AM, Geoff Pack wrote:
If the IE team fix the CSS hacks and also fix the bugs the hacks
are used to work around (as I think they originally mentioned they
would), then the hack users will be fine.
And if not, then it's no worse than having to update your
Ben Curtis wrote:
As a general rule, Only hack the dead. The only safe bug to exploit
is one that is fixed in ongoing generations of the product, or will
never be fixed because the product is dead. All other necessary
targeting should use features, not bugs. (Some may ask what the
difference
MS have fixed the * html hack for IE7, which isn't a bad thing provided
the rest of the engine comes up to scratch.
I think the article acutally makes a pretty good case for throwing IE into
quirksmode and developing for one (lousy, but reasonably predictable)
version of IE instead of four (5,
A colon is often used to delineate a key:value pairs (e.g. mail headers
[RFC822]). Perhaps the convention to use this for labels: form controls
grew out of this before the intorduction of the label element?
Now that we have actual label elements that we can associate with form
controls, this type
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:58:47 -0400, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
However, if I write...
#faphomecontent a.subcatlink{display: table; display: inline-block; ... }
regards
Georg
Thanks Georg, but this doesn't appear to do anything for me. I still
trigger the link and
try putting a float:left into your div.classdescriptions.
worked for me in FF.On 10/13/05, GALLAGHER Kevin S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First off the site was designed before Firefox and was my
first site. Now I have been seeing things were Firefox is displaying something's
The response:
The purpose of the inclusion of Meta Keywords is to cater for older
search engines that are still using meta tags. The Meta Keywords tag
allows [ClientName] to define which search terms are important to their
web page. Yahoo actually uses the meta keywords tag to see if a site
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:51:49 +1000 (EST), Martin Jopson wrote:
The response:
Thank you for finalising the info - we were all hanging out to hear
what nonsense they would claim :)
The thread is still closed, guys!
Offlist, if you want to discuss it!
warmly,
Lea
WSG Core Group
It can be done, but only if the content of the nav div will never be taller
than any other div
first you need div to hold the nav and content divs
lets call that the holder:
div id=holder style=
float: left; /* need to hold floats */
background-color: #e8e8e8; /* gives nav
I wrote:
It can be done, but only if the content of the nav div will never be taller
than any other div
It should read the nav div can not be longer (taller) than the longest
(tallest) of centre or right div.
I will see if I can pump out a working example to my blog in the next day or so.
I am interested in the current opinion of the relevance of css hacks
for explorer 4.0.x 5.0.x specifically in regards to the Box Model
Hack.
I understand the problem associated with the box model in ie4 5 but
have begun to question the need for hacks in your css for these
browser versions.
In
Standalone versions of IE 4 and IE 5 are available at
http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/standalone. These will work even if you
have a later version of IE installed.
cheers,
Geoff.
-Original Message-
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Sent:
Rhys wrote:
But with the implementations in ie6 and the ones to come in ie7 perhaps its
time to finally stop worrying about ie 4/5
you're the only one that can take on that issue and make a decision
for *your* site. Different sites require different decisions. Examine
your logs and weigh them
But they may make your system vulnerable as they are not patched. There's a
very good reason Microsoft doesn't publish these for developers or anyone
else.
Not at all recommended on any machine you care about.
P
Standalone versions of IE 4 and IE 5 are available at
Sure. But if you are only testing your own sites, and not surfing the web with
them, then it shouldn't be much of a risk.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Firminger
Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 2:18 PM
To:
Peter Firminger wrote:
Not at all recommended on any machine you care about.
Just for my own peace of mind tho - they're only a security issue when
you have launched the program right? so if i'm launching them (old
standalone IE5 5.5) once a month to *only* test pages that I've
created - I'm
Yeah, the main risk is in the OS/Browser integration thing. And, since
those versions are standalone, they're safer than IE6... plus your
usage patterns for it will be different.On 10/14/05, Peter Ottery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just for my own peace of mind tho - they're only a security issue
Hi all,
I am interested to know what you think of duplicating navigation in the
footer of a page.
I have a client who has requested it, but I do not, as a rule, include
duplicate links - I seem to recall there were some accessibility issues
with duplicate navigation links for screen readers.
Nick Cowie wrote:
I will see if I can pump out a working example to my blog in the next day or so.
Thanks Nick and Georg for your suggestions. I guess there must be
multiple ways of making it work, I just could find any of them.
CSS has breathtakingly creative ways of supporting
I think this practice is a remnant of pre-accessibility days where navigation options that were provided as images were duplicated as plain text links in the footer to aid people with images turned off etc.
With judicious use of alt tags I don't believe this is something that is still necessary.
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