Re: [WSG] File sizes in links: kb KB mb MB etc.
Far out Andy... now I'm really confused!!! To elaborate on your Quicktime example, I'd be inclined to say something like: * Optimised for broadband (5.4 Megabytes) * Optimised for dialup (1.2 Megabytes) Although separating binary from metric might be a new standard, it's a big ask to just throw new units of measurement at end users. For the most part it will have no impact on them anyway, as the file sizes are just an approximation when used in this way. Interesting info, though! On 27/10/05, Andy Kirkwood | Motive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, Data storage units are a bit of a can of worms. The problem lies in common-usage vs. international standards. There are also 'old' and 'new' standards for unit abbreviations. METRIC vs BINARY UNIT GUIDE Essential reading before continuing... http://www.romulus2.com/articles/guides/misc/bitsbytes.shtml RELEVANCE TO USERS There are a few reasons for showing filesize: -setting an expectation of time-to-download -setting an expectation of filesize (perhaps preferable for users on fixed usage plans) -inferring quality (assuming bigger file = better 'quality') As connection speeds tend to be in kilobits per second (kbps), then filesize _may be easier to convert to 'time-to-download'. (Although download speed uses metric notation while data storage values tends to use binary notation). The discrepancy between data transfer speed (metric) and filesize (mostly binary) is likely to be the root cause of the unit abbreviation confusion. I'd recommend MiB/MB for files greater than 1MiB/MB, and KiB/kB for files less than 1MiB/MB. If a single webpage offers alternative quality options, say for Quicktime media files, listing the download options with filesizes using the units may make it easier for the user to choose an appropriate option. Listing options in a meaningful order, e.g. from smallest-to-largest filesize will also help. (At all costs avoid ambiguous labels such as 'High' or 'Low' which could equally relate to connection speed or quality.) FILE SIZES UNDER MAC vs WINDOWS To add insult to injury, Mac and Windows operating systems use different systems when calculating filesize. Windows 2000 (File Properties) -binary: 1MiB (mebibyte) = 1024 KiB (kibibytes) Mac 0S X (File Info) -metric: 1MB (megabyte) = 1000 KB (kilobytes) SUMMARY Given the relative number of Mac and Windows users (more Windows users) and referring to the new IEC standards, the 'correct' unit abbreviation *should be* mebibytes (MiB) or kibibytes (KiB), however this flies in the face of common practice that refers to the 'old' standards of MB and KB. Toss a coin? a href=file.pdfSome file (PDF 0.1MB)/a My inclination is to use MB (Megabytes) where appropriate (ie. if the file is greater than 0.01MB), and KB (Kilobytes) for files less than 0.01MB. My reasoning is that more users can grasp the concept of a Megabyte (think floppy disks, flash drives, some MP3 players) than they can a kilobyte, kilobit or megabyte. My only concern would be that most sites seem to use (ambiguosly) one of the kb varieties. -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Accessibility law
Hi all, It's a bit out of topic so you can answer me off-list : I'm preparing a presentation about developping accessible Web applications and I'd appreciate to have a feed-back (infos, impressions, interesting links you know) about national accessibility laws defined in Germany and in Italy. I know there are some germans and italians on this list so if you're involved in accessibility, I thank you for your feedback! Cheers! Angela Ricci ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] display: table-cell etc for IE?
Does anyone know if / when the table-mode display properties (eg display: table-row in CSS2.1) are going to be supported in IE? IE7 perhaps, or is this a bit too hopeful? Cheers ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?
anyone see why this wont work in ie? works elsewhere but not on ieinput:focus,textarea:focus { background: #ff; color: #27455f; border: 1px solid #ff;}
Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/11997 IE doesn't like the :focus pseudo selector. HTH, Josh On 10/28/05, csslist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone see why this wont work in ie? works elsewhere but not on ie input:focus,textarea:focus { background: #ff; color: #27455f; border: 1px solid #ff; } -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?
hum, i have it working on other sites but now that i think about it, it might be that it does because I have the ie7 hack in it.thanksFrom: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:45 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/11997IE doesn't like the :focus pseudo selector.HTH,JoshOn 10/28/05, csslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: anyone see why this wont work in ie? works elsewhere but not on ie input:focus,textarea:focus { background: #ff; color: #27455f; border: 1px solid #ff; }--Joshua Streethttp://www.joahua.com/+61 (0) 425 808 469**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?
i put the ie7 hack in and it works fine now.gotta love ieFrom: "csslist" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:03 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?hum, i have it working on other sites but now that i think about it, it might be that it does because I have the ie7 hack in it.thanksFrom: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:45 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/11997IE doesn't like the :focus pseudo selector.HTH,JoshOn 10/28/05, csslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: anyone see why this wont work in ie? works elsewhere but not on ie input:focus,textarea:focus { background: #ff; color: #27455f; border: 1px solid #ff; }--Joshua Streethttp://www.joahua.com/+61 (0) 425 808 469**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?
On 10/28/05, csslist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i put the ie7 hack in and it works fine now. gotta love ie How big is that thing? Can you split it up so you can just use the bits you need (i.e. :pseudo-selector), or do you need to use the full thing? I'd heard it's largish (but haven't ever used it/had to use it). Josh ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?
On 10/28/05, Focas, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ie7 hack being what? grant http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ I presume... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?
i would imagine that you could, i have noticed a lag sometimes but that seems to be only when using transparent pngs (see www.icandfashion.com) you can see a bit of a lag there for that to kick in.im not doing that on this one http://65.36.226.10/contact/contact.cfmso far i cant see any lag but i dont have any links up or nav yet so its kinda hard to tellafter clicking on those what do you think?daveFrom: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:30 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?On 10/28/05, csslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i put the ie7 hack in and it works fine now. gotta love ieHow big is that thing? Can you split it up so you can just use thebits you need (i.e. :pseudo-selector), or do you need to use the fullthing? I'd heard it's largish (but haven't ever used it/had to useit).Josh**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
[WSG] Current practices in Australian web development
Hi all, Those of you who came to WE05 or who listened to the podCasts might have seen/heard my presentation on a recent survey I did on how well major Australian sites are adhering to best practices in web development (valid HTML/XHTML, CSS, Semantic and Structural use of HTML, Accessibility). I've just published the whole thing as an article, with all the results (what errors people are making, results for each site surveyed, results by sector). Its available here http://westciv.com/style_master/house/good_oil/best_practices/ Hope people might find it interesting/useful john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Firefox filter?
Believe it or not, part of my site works on every browser I've tested -except- firefox. That's right. It works on IE, Opera, etc, but Firefox screws it up. Is there any valid way make firefox (well, gecko in general) ignore a rule, while still serving it to all other browsers? The only method I can find is this: selector { { declaration } which obviously invalidates the css. Incase anyone's curious, the problem involves using a non-repeating animated gif as the background of a link, and a different non-repeating animated gif as the background when that link is hovered. I'm using it to make a bullet slide toward the link on hover, and slide back away from it on blur. After one link is hovered for the first time, every hover after that causes it to skip from the first frame to the last, then back to the first, ignoring all frames in-between. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Current practices in Australian web development
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:14:04 +1000, John Allsopp wrote: http://westciv.com/style_master/house/good_oil/best_practices/ Excellent article - thanks John! I was sorry in hindsight I missed your presentation at WE05, I heard so many good things about it, so its good to be able to read it. :) I appreciate the ISO 9001 compliance comment for these companies, and I wondered if you have considered asking the web teams for these sites to respond? It would be interesting to see how they justify these ... lack of results. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] List item overlap
Title: Message thanks guys. Taco Fleur - CEOPacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex JamesSent: Monday, 24 October 2005 7:07 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] List item overlap Taco wrote: I have this list item on http://www.lrp.com.au/admin/(main navigation) it overlaps,I would like it to just continue underneath without overlapping, is that possible? Also removed the left and right padding on #navigation_main li, #navigation_sub li, should stop the MAIN-NAVIGATION container wrapping. --- aj
Re: [WSG] Text within tables
The content of a table cell should only be in a paragraph element if the content of that cell is a paragraph. Should be a simple enough question but should text within a table cell ALWAYS be surrounded by P tags, or do we assume the TD to be the block element surrounding the inline text? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **