Re: [WSG] CAPS in stylesheets

2006-03-13 Thread John Wells
Can we get a summary of this CAPS lesson? Are we saying that: - ONLY when serving XHTML as application/xhtml+xml, stylesheet selectors must be all lowercase. ? Having said that, I'm a bit confused. I wish I could remember where I read this, but I thought that *technically* (that's how I rememb

Re: [WSG] CAPS in stylesheets

2006-03-13 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:14 PM, John Wells wrote: Can we get a summary of this CAPS lesson? Are we saying that: - ONLY when serving XHTML as application/xhtml+xml, stylesheet selectors must be all lowercase. ? Some browsers are sensitive to case when XHTML is served as text/ html. iCab comes

Re: innerHTML (was: Re: [WSG] CAPS in stylesheets)

2006-03-13 Thread Joshua Street
On 3/13/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua Street wrote: > > any elements in the inserted content _aren't_ created as > > elements, and hence cannot be manipulated at all. > > Um... What the? Of course they are created as elements, or at least > they should be, unless you're talk

[WSG] Re: innerHTML

2006-03-13 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Joshua Street wrote: On 3/13/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joshua Street wrote: any elements in the inserted content _aren't_ created as elements, and hence cannot be manipulated at all. Um... What the? Of course they are created as elements, They're "created", but, as I unde

RE: [WSG] CAPS in stylesheets

2006-03-13 Thread Jason Turnbull
> John Wells wrote: > Can we get a summary of this CAPS lesson? Are we saying that: > > - ONLY when serving XHTML as application/xhtml+xml, stylesheet > selectors must be all lowercase. > > Having said that, I'm a bit confused. I was a bit unsure too as I thought the term 'selectors' in style s

Re: [WSG] (Opera) CSS print style problem with image

2006-03-13 Thread 郑玉萍
On Mar 12, 2006, at 8:56 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: A solution is to move your image of screen for screen display (like img {position:absolute; left: -1px}) instead of using {display:none}. I once posted an article about this:

Re: [WSG] CAPS in stylesheets

2006-03-13 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Jason Turnbull wrote: I was a bit unsure too as I thought the term 'selectors' in style sheets referred too all tags, ids & classes, Selectors are patterns that match against elements in a tree. They include the universal selector, type selectors, class selectors, ID selectors, attribute sel

[WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread leenath1
Hi all, I'm hoping to get some feedback from people regarding a solution to a usability issue. I work for a large organisation and we have very large/detailed processing required. Because the applications we develop are very detailed and change dynamically depending upon the current input, co

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

2006-03-13 Thread Designer
Lachlan Hunt wrote: No, it will not work under XHTML at all. The DOCTYPE is irrelevant, XHTML is case sensitive and uppercase element selectors will not match anything in XHTML. It will only work for text/html. OH Dear, I'm getting confused again! When I read the above, I thought "ah - her

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

2006-03-13 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Designer wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: No, it will not work under XHTML at all. The DOCTYPE is irrelevant, XHTML is case sensitive and uppercase element selectors will not match anything in XHTML. It will only work for text/html. OH Dear, I'm getting confused again! When I read the above, I t

RE: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

2006-03-13 Thread Jason Turnbull
Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > No, it will not work under XHTML at all. The DOCTYPE is irrelevant, > > XHTML is case sensitive and uppercase element selectors will not match > > anything in XHTML. It will only work for text/html. Designer wrote: > OH Dear, I'm getting confused again! > > When I read t

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

2006-03-13 Thread Designer
Jason Turnbull wrote: Try changing the last style too DIV#container Yup! Works fine now. Thanks (to both) for the clarification. http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/gam/altgam/standards.php Incidentally, I would be interested in any browsers you know which won't support application/xhtml+xml

Re: [WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread Terrence Wood
On 14 Mar 2006, at 12:32 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How can we keep context sensitive help available for each input feild that requires it but potentially ignore it in a tabbing sequence? Most of the items look reasonably self explanatory. I can't imagine why anyone would need help with ti

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

2006-03-13 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Designer wrote: Incidentally, I would be interested in any browsers you know which won't support application/xhtml+xml, apart from IE of course. http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/xhtml/media-types/results -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ *

Re:[WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread McIvor Lee
Hi Nathan, First of all I don't see any reason why the Help icons need to be in the tab order. You could set a more appropriate tab order in the markup that skips the Help icons, whilst still providing other methods of accessing the help text. For example, you could use a server-side scripting la

[WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Darren West
Hello, Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically create the show. Thanks Daz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://websta

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread CHEN Benfeng
Hi, Maybe you could take a look at "HTML Sildy" (www.w3.org/2005/03/slideshow.html )? -Ben > Hello, > > Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that > uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically > create the show. > > Thanks > > Daz > **

Re: [WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Keep in mind too, that most "tabbers" are familiar with "shift + tab" as well for navigating backwards. Should we assume that keyboard navigators can competently do this, or is that giving too much of an assumption? Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EM

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Richard Stephenson
> Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that > uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically > create the show. http://slayeroffice.com/code/imageCrossFade/xfade2.html -- DonkeyMagic: Website design & development http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

2006-03-13 Thread Designer
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Designer wrote: Incidentally, I would be interested in any browsers you know which won't support application/xhtml+xml, apart from IE of course. http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/xhtml/media-types/results Thanks, Lachlan. I studied the list, and the

RE: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Peter Goddard
Try Eric Meyer's solution http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ Need I say More? Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Stephenson Sent: 13 March 2006 15:01 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slide

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Darren West
Thats cool, thanks all, although I think I may have miss explained myself - will simplify with links :) Basically I am trying to setup pagination - here are the pages: http://ta.rt-ms.net/teamengine/property.html http://ta.rt-ms.net/teamengine/assets/js/media.js And is the markup: Photos Ima

Re:[WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
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Re: [WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread Micky Mourelo
Maybe I'm missing your point, but using the tabindex attribute does not solve your problem?, You can set the tabindex to cycle trough the inputs and then continue with the help links. It is a totally accessible method; a bit uncomfortable (to have to pass through all the input fields to get to the

Re: [WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread leenath1
Thanks for your replies to date. To give you a deeper understanding of the situation: - despite quite skilled users, double tabbing hundreds and hundreds of times a day is seen as a efficiency issue too (x 5days x 45weeks) - the sample form (http://users.bigpond.net.au/leenath/form/forms-examp

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Jon Tan
Darren West wrote: Hello, Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically create the show. Slightly self-promoting but try http://scooch.gr0w.com . The current demo is woefully out of date already with a lot

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

2006-03-13 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Designer wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: Designer wrote: Incidentally, I would be interested in any browsers you know which won't support application/xhtml+xml, apart from IE of course. http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/xhtml/media-types/results Thanks, Lachlan. I studied the list, and the onl

[WSG] help with page...

2006-03-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a question. I am using Navstudio for menus and I am having a problem with it overflowing and making me have a scroll at the bottom. Can anyone take a look and see what my problem might be. I'll go ahead and say it now, but it is not up to standards, it is still in the beginning. Thanks.

RE: [WSG] help with page...

2006-03-13 Thread Paul Bennett
Well, as this is a standards list, the first thing people will do is to validate your code and CSS :) Aside from that, can you be more specific bout the error you're getting? I've had a look on Firefox and IE6 and don't get any scrolling issues caused by the navigation. Paul -Original M

Re: [WSG] help with page...

2006-03-13 Thread Todd Gleaton
Well it's a little hard to explain but I'll try.  Inside this tag I have a couple of Nav Studio Menus.  It is making my page have an unnecessary horizontal scroll bar at the bottom.  I was hoping someone with fresh eyes could take a look and see if they spot the reason for this.  Everything

[WSG] Absolute Positioning-A Naive Question (Maybe)

2006-03-13 Thread Paula Petrik
When I read the W3C specs (not the most riveting exercise on the planet), it seems that the developers emphasize absolute positioning. For example, they describe using floats to float small bits of text or images. It seems, however, that floats have become the order of the day. Rather than

Re: [WSG] Absolute Positioning-A Naive Question (Maybe)

2006-03-13 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/03/13 21:35 Paula Petrik apparently typed: When I read the W3C specs (not the most riveting exercise on the planet), it seems that the developers emphasize absolute positioning. For example, they describe using floats to float small bits of text or images. It seems, however, that floats

Re: [WSG] Absolute Positioning-A Naive Question (Maybe)

2006-03-13 Thread Todd Baker
The main reason I dont use absolute positioning for all my layout is that most of the sites I build require footers at the base of the page content. With every page of differing content length the only way to achieve this is to float and then clear for the footer. Thats just me. There are wiser b

Re: [WSG] Absolute Positioning-A Naive Question (Maybe)

2006-03-13 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Paula Petrik wrote: When I read the W3C specs (not the most riveting exercise on the planet), it seems that the developers emphasize absolute positioning. For example, they describe using floats to float small bits of text or images. It seems, however, that floats have become the order of the d

[WSG] Tag clouds

2006-03-13 Thread Jude Robinson
Leaving aside arguments about whether or not tag clouds are the new mullets (http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0405d.shtml), I've been pondering how to make one that is accessible, given the questionable accessibility of most of the ones out there. Tag clouds suffer from a number of problems, the bigg

Re: [WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread matt andrews
On 13/03/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm hoping to get some feedback from people regarding a solution to a > usability issue. I work for a large organisation and we have very > large/detailed processing required. Because the applications we develop are > very deta

Re: [WSG] Absolute Positioning-A Naive Question (Maybe)

2006-03-13 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Mar 14, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Paula Petrik wrote: When I read the W3C specs (not the most riveting exercise on the planet), it seems that the developers emphasize absolute positioning. For example, they describe using floats to float small bits of text or images. It seems, however, that fl

Re: [WSG] Absolute Positioning-A Naive Question (Maybe)

2006-03-13 Thread Richard Czeiger
Here's a potentially naive response ... does it matter? As long as the (x)html is semantically marked up, does the rationale behind your css code make a difference (taking into account the fact that it should look the same on all browsers)? The ONLY function of css is the control of the visua

Re: [WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread Daniel Nitsche
As an idea, why not make the label for each field a link, which will provide contextual help on that item/field?I'd do some user testing to make sure it works, but it makes sense to me that following such a link would lead to information about that field.  The advantage of this would be it reduces

Re: [WSG] Absolute Positioning-A Naive Question (Maybe)

2006-03-13 Thread Paula Petrik
Felix & Todd, Felix, nice to know that I'm in good company. Todd and Phillipe, I think that the footer business is the sticking point. But what is sacred about a footer? What information goes into a footer that could not go elsewhere? This has me puzzled. In the "table days," the most impo

Re: [WSG] Tag clouds

2006-03-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 3/13/06, Jude Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Leaving aside arguments about whether or not tag clouds are the new > mullets (http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0405d.shtml), I've been > pondering how to make one that is accessible, given the questionable > accessibility of most of the ones out t

Re: [WSG] Absolute Positioning-A Naive Question (Maybe)

2006-03-13 Thread Al Sparber
Paula Petrik wrote: When I read the W3C specs (not the most riveting exercise on the planet), it seems that the developers emphasize absolute positioning. For example, they describe using floats to float small bits of text or images. It seems, however, that floats have become the order of the d

[WSG] z-index conflict in IE6 with positioned elements

2006-03-13 Thread Ted Drake
Hi everyone.   I’ve been struggling with some z-indexed, positioned elements that are getting obscured by content further down the page in IE6.  After doing a bit of research, I came across these two sites:   http://www.aplus.co.yu/css/z-pos/index.php http://www.quirksmode.org/bugrepo

Re: [WSG] Usability issue with form help

2006-03-13 Thread Richard Czeiger
This may sound silly but what about the tabindex attribute? AFAIK it's still part of the standard and should do what you're after... R :o) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guideli

[WSG] Section specific introductory pages and usability

2006-03-13 Thread Paul Hempsall
I'm well into the development of my Council's new website (replacing the current inaccessible, tag soup version). A discussion point has been raised with our Content Editors regarding Introduction pages for each main section of the site. What's the general concensus of the direction Introduction p

Re: [WSG] Section specific introductory pages and usability

2006-03-13 Thread Terrence Wood
Paul Hempsall: What's the general concensus of the direction Introduction pages should take. I've always been concerned that reiterating the section navigation via a barrage of links would be a confusing and disorienting method. quite the opposite: a barrage of links with a supporting explan

Re: [WSG] Section specific introductory pages and usability

2006-03-13 Thread jacinta
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Re: [WSG] Tag clouds

2006-03-13 Thread Ben Buchanan
[snip- tag clouds] > Thoughts? Mild agreement? Sly refutations? For a simple tag cloud I'm not sure how a table would work - the cloud isn't really tabular, in the way I would describe "tabular". If a second rating was applied; eg. popularity + freshness (ie. how many times does the tag appear, an

Re: [WSG] Tag clouds

2006-03-13 Thread jacinta
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