RE: [WSG] Tiling image problem
It depends the kind of layout you have.
The best and the easiest way to have the 300px in ur bg image itself,
eahtever clor you want.
regards
-P
www.puneetsakhuja.com/new
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From: Cole Kuryakin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:18:17 +0800
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Hello All -
I'm setting a 1px by 770px image to repeat vertically within a wrapper div.
Difference is that I need this repeat to START 300px from the top of the
wrapper.
So far, no luck. Here's the code:
#wrapper {
position: relative;
width: 770px;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
background:
url(/resources/5661/assets/images_medical/wrapper_tile.jpg) repeat-y 0
300px;
}
Reason I'm starting off at 300px from the top is because I need the top of
the wrapper to be transparent so the tiling body background can be seen
above and below the header, but the area behind the nav and content areas
NEED to be white.
So, is it possible to start a tile a certain distance from the top of a
containing div?
If so, can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
If you'd like to see this live, look here: http://teratest.terapad.com
Thanks to all in advance!
Cole
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RE: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Hi Cole,
I think the problem is the repeat-y will fill the image vertically over the
entire contents no matter where you position it initially. You may try a
vertical 1px by 1000px (or taller than your page will ever be) image. And
use the following:
background:
url(/resources/5661/assets/images_medical/wrapper_vertical_tile.jpg)
repeat-x 0 300px;
Regards,
Kepler Gelotte
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:18 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Hello All -
I'm setting a 1px by 770px image to repeat vertically within a wrapper div.
Difference is that I need this repeat to START 300px from the top of the
wrapper.
So far, no luck. Here's the code:
#wrapper {
position: relative;
width: 770px;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
background:
url(/resources/5661/assets/images_medical/wrapper_tile.jpg) repeat-y 0
300px;
}
Reason I'm starting off at 300px from the top is because I need the top of
the wrapper to be transparent so the tiling body background can be seen
above and below the header, but the area behind the nav and content areas
NEED to be white.
So, is it possible to start a tile a certain distance from the top of a
containing div?
If so, can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
If you'd like to see this live, look here: http://teratest.terapad.com
Thanks to all in advance!
Cole
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Re: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Hi
#wrapper {
position: relative;
width: 770px;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
background:
url(/resources/5661/assets/images_medical/wrapper_tile.jpg) repeat-y 0
300px;
}
Should work, my suggestion is try it with a 770by2px image, I have had
weird problems with repeating 1px wide images in FF or Safari (can't
remember which one) I always used 2px wide images now.
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Re: [WSG] Tiling image problem
At 5/20/2007 10:18 PM, Cole Kuryakin wrote: I'm setting a 1px by 770px image to repeat vertically within a wrapper div. By the way, asking the browser to replicate a 1px-thick image will occupy a lot more CPU cycles than if you dimension your image to be fatter and replicate, for example, one that's 50px or 100px thick. In my experience the difference can be large enough to be perceptible by a human being, i.e. a significant fraction of a second or more for a large screen. Generating a fatter background image can therefore be seen as pre-processing with significant savings in real time. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] css type loop
Paul Novitski wrote: Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being semantically neutral or inert. When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and classes can add value is, in part, the basis for microformats.) For example, id=nav-main, id=footer, class=price all add value. However, there's values in scarcity. When ids and classes are scarce there is an implied value which is imparted because this element has one and that element doesn't. With class=bullet1, class=bullet2, class=bullet3, etc., their value is somewhat diluted. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] css type loop
More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page retrieval via search engines. To that end they are semantically neutral -- Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk Linking in with others: http://linkedin.com/in/robkirton On 21/05/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Novitski wrote: Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being semantically neutral or inert. When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and classes can add value is, in part, the basis for microformats.) For example, id=nav-main, id=footer, class=price all add value. However, there's values in scarcity. When ids and classes are scarce there is an implied value which is imparted because this element has one and that element doesn't. With class=bullet1, class=bullet2, class=bullet3, etc., their value is somewhat diluted. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi, Or rather microformats give senatic value to certain classes for the use of external programs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformats Normal CSS markup improves semantics by removing presentational dross. On Mon, May 21, 2007 10:43 am, Mordechai Peller wrote: Paul Novitski wrote: Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being semantically neutral or inert. When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and classes can add value is, in part, the basis for microformats.) For example, id=nav-main, id=footer, class=price all add value. However, there's values in scarcity. When ids and classes are scarce there is an implied value which is imparted because this element has one and that element doesn't. With class=bullet1, class=bullet2, class=bullet3, etc., their value is somewhat diluted. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] css type loop
Rob Kirton skrev: More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page retrieval via search engines. Take a look at this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4106 It's the Operator Fx extension, which lets end users make use of microformats. I think this or something similar will be a part of Fx 3. And IE 8, actually. /AndersN *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Thanks to all for weighing-in on this one and appreciate the side-notes on 1px tall vs. 2px or more tall tiling background images. Unfortunate that we can't determine a vertical start-point for a tiling image but I've learned something new. Thanks again to everyone. Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Novitski Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Tiling image problem At 5/20/2007 10:18 PM, Cole Kuryakin wrote: I'm setting a 1px by 770px image to repeat vertically within a wrapper div. By the way, asking the browser to replicate a 1px-thick image will occupy a lot more CPU cycles than if you dimension your image to be fatter and replicate, for example, one that's 50px or 100px thick. In my experience the difference can be large enough to be perceptible by a human being, i.e. a significant fraction of a second or more for a large screen. Generating a fatter background image can therefore be seen as pre-processing with significant savings in real time. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] css type loop
Anders Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this particular plugin; and as you suggest, better again if this or something similar is supported as standard in a wide range of user agents. Agent support of extended HTML is certainly a far better means of adoption, than the approach of having to convert every piece of HTML data on the web into RDF and then using a specialist browser to assimilate and make sense of it :0) Allowing users to benefit from embeded microformats is an excellent idea. Unfortunately on a rather more mundane level - I still come across clients who still have dificulties with the correct use of header and paragraph tags (rgh!!). We have a long way to go -- Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk Linking in with others: http://linkedin.com/in/robkirton On 21/05/07, Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Kirton skrev: More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page retrieval via search engines. Take a look at this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4106 It's the Operator Fx extension, which lets end users make use of microformats. I think this or something similar will be a part of Fx 3. And IE 8, actually. /AndersN *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Hi Cole,
I think the problem is the repeat-y will fill the image vertically over the
entire contents no matter where you position it initially. You may try a
vertical 1px by 1000px (or taller than your page will ever be) image. And
use the following:
background:
url(/resources/5661/assets/images_medical/wrapper_vertical_tile.jpg)
repeat-x 0 300px;
Regards,
Kepler Gelotte
_
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:18 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Hello All -
I'm setting a 1px by 770px image to repeat vertically within a wrapper div.
Difference is that I need this repeat to START 300px from the top of the
wrapper.
So far, no luck. Here's the code:
#wrapper {
position: relative;
width: 770px;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
background:
url(/resources/5661/assets/images_medical/wrapper_tile.jpg) repeat-y 0
300px;
}
Reason I'm starting off at 300px from the top is because I need the top of
the wrapper to be transparent so the tiling body background can be seen
above and below the header, but the area behind the nav and content areas
NEED to be white.
So, is it possible to start a tile a certain distance from the top of a
containing div?
If so, can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
If you'd like to see this live, look here: http://teratest.terapad.com
Thanks to all in advance!
Cole
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RE: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Or you could do the same but make the first 300px of the images
transparent - so you don't need to bother about positioning 300px down.
On Mon, May 21, 2007 4:16 pm, Kepler Gelotte wrote:
Hi Cole,
I think the problem is the repeat-y will fill the image vertically over
the
entire contents no matter where you position it initially. You may try a
vertical 1px by 1000px (or taller than your page will ever be) image. And
use the following:
background:
url(/resources/5661/assets/images_medical/wrapper_vertical_tile.jpg)
repeat-x 0 300px;
Regards,
Kepler Gelotte
_
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:18 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Tiling image problem
Hello All -
I'm setting a 1px by 770px image to repeat vertically within a wrapper
div.
Difference is that I need this repeat to START 300px from the top of the
wrapper.
So far, no luck. Here's the code:
#wrapper {
position: relative;
width: 770px;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
background:
url(/resources/5661/assets/images_medical/wrapper_tile.jpg) repeat-y 0
300px;
}
Reason I'm starting off at 300px from the top is because I need the top of
the wrapper to be transparent so the tiling body background can be seen
above and below the header, but the area behind the nav and content areas
NEED to be white.
So, is it possible to start a tile a certain distance from the top of a
containing div?
If so, can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
If you'd like to see this live, look here: http://teratest.terapad.com
Thanks to all in advance!
Cole
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Re: [WSG] css type loop
Thanks for that :) Lucien. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/05/07 9:24 AM Tell that to this search engine: http://kitchen.technorati.com/search/ On 21/05/2007, at 9:31 PM, Rob Kirton wrote: More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page retrieval via search engines. To that end they are semantically neutral -- Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk Linking in with others: http://linkedin.com/in/robkirton On 21/05/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Novitski wrote: Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being semantically neutral or inert. When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and classes can add value is, in part, the basis for microformats.) For example, id=nav-main, id=footer, class=price all add value. However, there's values in scarcity. When ids and classes are scarce there is an implied value which is imparted because this element has one and that element doesn't. With class=bullet1, class=bullet2, class=bullet3, etc., their value is somewhat diluted. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] css type loop
Tell that to this search engine: http://kitchen.technorati.com/search/ On 21/05/2007, at 9:31 PM, Rob Kirton wrote: More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page retrieval via search engines. To that end they are semantically neutral -- Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk Linking in with others: http://linkedin.com/in/robkirton On 21/05/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Novitski wrote: Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being semantically neutral or inert. When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and classes can add value is, in part, the basis for microformats.) For example, id=nav-main, id=footer, class=price all add value. However, there's values in scarcity. When ids and classes are scarce there is an implied value which is imparted because this element has one and that element doesn't. With class=bullet1, class=bullet2, class=bullet3, etc., their value is somewhat diluted. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] css type loop
You could use the same argument to say that all markup in sematicly neutral. That the B tag and STRONG tags have the same semantic weight since end users, the consumers of the web, nerevr look at the markup and are largely uninterested in how the content gets to be that way it is. We could easily lose our way and wander into the land of pedantic semiotic debate. And I'm not saying that couldn't be fun, although I never did well at semiotics when I studied them as an undergrad :(. As developers, we are the *only* ones that the semantic web benefits (until microformats take off, and there is some kind of client support, but there is problems in that too.). The humble P tag is semantic in it's own right. It dentoes relativley clearly that a block of text is a paragraph. By adding a class or id to that P tag I *add* to it's semantic meaning by clarifying that it is a certain kind of paragraph. A specialist subset of the normal generic semantic, if you like. What is *not* semantic, is if I use a P tag, give it a class called Q and style it font-weight:bold and use it as a heading. The class name Q is meaningless (no semantic value). By styling the P bold and making it a heading, you are subverting the existing semantic by not using a H tag instead. But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The users will still see a nice bold heading. The semantics are meanlingless to them. I'd love it if there was enough client support that semantics mattered to more then just those of who care about the aestetics of the code. But such support is just not wide spread enough. I spent a lot of time marking up our staff listing page with microformant stuff and I'm proud of what I did. But I know that apart from myself, and one or two other people who grock this stuff, this work isn't going to be appreciated in any meaningful way for years to come. Plugins like Tails and Operator are fantastic, but so far as I can see, only of use to those of us goofing around with this stuff. Lucien. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Kirton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/05/07 9:31 PM More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page retrieval via search engines. To that end they are semantically neutral -- Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk Linking in with others: http://linkedin.com/in/robkirton On 21/05/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Novitski wrote: Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being semantically neutral or inert. When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and classes can add value is, in part, the basis for microformats.) For example, id=nav-main, id=footer, class=price all add value. However, there's values in scarcity. When ids and classes are scarce there is an implied value which is imparted because this element has one and that element doesn't. With class=bullet1, class=bullet2, class=bullet3, etc., their value is somewhat diluted. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm
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RE: [WSG] css type loop
But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The users will still see a nice bold heading. The semantics are meanlingless to them. Actually with your example, I believe there are more users who would be bothered; screen-reader users for example who can navigate (cycle) through headings. One can style a P element to look like a heading as much as he wants, but it still won't become a proper hook for some UAs. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Image in a label in IE
http://www.chriserwin.com/scripts/crir/ This is a script that does that. It's a good reference i guess. Sam Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just encountered a problem where IE won't do anything if you add an image inside your label, that is you can't click on the label to activate the radio, checkbox etc. I found this idea, which sounded good, but the Javascript conflicts with another onclick event. Just wondering if anyone had found a CSS solution since 2005 when this one was written?! http://snook.ca/archives/javascript/using_images_as/#c There is also this, but it doesn't seem to work in IE 5.0 for me. http://riddle.pl/-/xhtml/css-img-in-label/fixed.html Any ideas?! Cheers Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media
On 22 May 2007, at 02:31:29, Parker, Simi ((DPS)) wrote: Hi everyone I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would really appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would particularly welcome feedback from Macintosh and Linux users. The live broadcasting service is streamed from: http:// webcast.aph.gov.au/livebroadcasting/ The House is sitting for the next fortnight so there should be something for you to have a look at. I would like to know if you are able to see or not see the media being streamed and the configuration of software you are using eg: Mac OX, Safari and QuickTime. Hi Simi, Am I right in believing that this content is being streamed in Microsoft's proprietary WMV format? (No, I'm not going to go off on a rant about using proprietary technologies for information that should be freely available to all - well, not this time :-) Anyway, I'm using Mac OS X 10.4.9 (the latest version, fully updated) on an Intel MacBook, and I've installed Flip4Mac, as suggested on Microsoft's own site: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx? pid=windowsmedia Flip4Mac has one major advantage over Microsoft's own Windows Media Player for Mac: it actually plays Windows Media content, which Windows Media Player for Mac has never managed to do so much as once, either on this machine or on my old-but-good PowerMac G4. I've checked using Safari 2.0.4 (419.3) and Firefox 1.5.0.11, both with full popup blocking configured (the browser's own, not any extensions). Both of them successfully opened up the media window when I clicked the Accept button on the Conditions of Access page, initialised the Flip4Mac plugin, and played the content (which, being the proceedings of some standing committee or other, was unremittingly tedious :-) Note that I haven't tested this on the PowerMac (non-Intel processor) - I reformatted that a while ago, and don't install fripperies like media players on it now as I use it as a development server. However, I seem to recall successfully using Flip4Mac there too some time in the past. Maybe others can give more detailed feedback on using it on PowerPC architectures. So if you need to suggest options to Mac users for ways to view the content, you should probably recommend installing Flip4Mac - or maybe give them the Microsoft link above, as recommending specific software appears to be regarded with fear and loathing by governmental bodies fearful of lawsuits (although they don't appear to have the same worries over recommending dangerous rubbish like Microsoft's browser for Windows...) Hope this helps, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] css type loop
Good point. Thanks. L. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/05/07 11:46 AM But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The users will still see a nice bold heading. The semantics are meanlingless to them. Actually with your example, I believe there are more users who would be bothered; screen-reader users for example who can navigate (cycle) through headings. One can style a P element to look like a heading as much as he wants, but it still won't become a proper hook for some UAs. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] dl v table for form layout
Hi all, I am having a discussion with colleagues here at work (won't mention our site as it stinks) about the best way forward for form layouts. I have one person saying he will continue to use tables till otherwise informed. I have another who uses none of the above, which you can imaging is not that good to look at with everything butting up against each other. His other suggestion was to add nbsp's to move things about. I like to use the definition list with Labels. Now I know the dl I am using is not being used exactly as it was originally used (good point), but I say it is 100 times better than tables. Can I get a WSG response on the best format to layout a form. Cheers, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout
My vote generally goes in for tables. Use th cells appropriately and there's a clear relationship there. Definition lists are semantically on par, but often harder to implement/require effort to make them *look like a table* (which is what people expect when filling out forms, on paper or on the web). -josh On 5/22/07, Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am having a discussion with colleagues here at work (won't mention our site as it stinks) about the best way forward for form layouts. I have one person saying he will continue to use tables till otherwise informed. I have another who uses none of the above, which you can imaging is not that good to look at with everything butting up against each other. His other suggestion was to add nbsp's to move things about. I like to use the definition list with Labels. Now I know the dl I am using is not being used exactly as it was originally used (good point), but I say it is 100 times better than tables. Can I get a WSG response on the best format to layout a form. Cheers, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Joshua Street http://josh.st/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout
Using the nbsp; for layout is the worst of the ideas and should not be considered for the final form. Tables, while frowned upon / argued over / etc, are still the most reliable way to layout COMPLEX forms, for simple forms you don't need tables at all. Do a search for accessible CSS form layouts. The DL is an okay idea, but with the markup you'll end up adding, you're better off using this style structure: form fieldset legendMy Legend/legend div labelMy Label/label input type=my_input value=my text / /div /fieldset /form There's a ton of other ways to go about this too in regards to using/not using the div, nesting the input inside the label, etc. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Benedict Wyss wrote: Hi all, I am having a discussion with colleagues here at work (won't mention our site as it stinks) about the best way forward for form layouts. I have one person saying he will continue to use tables till otherwise informed. I have another who uses none of the above, which you can imaging is not that good to look at with everything butting up against each other. His other suggestion was to add nbsp's to move things about. I like to use the definition list with Labels. Now I know the dl I am using is not being used exactly as it was originally used (good point), but I say it is 100 times better than tables. Can I get a WSG response on the best format to layout a form. Cheers, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout
My view: Use HTML for content Use CSS for presentation Use tables only for tabular data WCAG 1.0 has the following guidelines applicable to this question. 3.3 Use style sheets to control layout and presentation. 5.1 For data tables, identify row and column headers. 5.3 Do not use tables for layout unless the table makes sense when linearized. Otherwise, if the table does not make sense, provide an alternative equivalent (which may be a linearized version). 5.4 If a table is used for layout, do not use any structural markup for the purpose of visual formatting. 5.5 Provide summaries for tables. 10.2 Until user agents support explicit associations between labels and form controls, for all form controls with implicitly associated labels, ensure that the label is properly positioned. 10.3 Until user agents (including assistive technologies) render side-by-side text correctly, provide a linear text alternative (on the current page or some other) for all tables that lay out text in parallel, word-wrapped columns. 10.4 Until user agents handle empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in edit boxes and text areas. 12.4 Associate labels explicitly with their controls. - Kane Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/05/2007 02:15 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject [WSG] dl v table for form layout Hi all, I am having a discussion with colleagues here at work (won't mention our site as it stinks) about the best way forward for form layouts. I have one person saying he will continue to use tables till otherwise informed. I have another who uses none of the above, which you can imaging is not that good to look at with everything butting up against each other. His other suggestion was to add nbsp's to move things about. I like to use the definition list with Labels. Now I know the dl I am using is not being used exactly as it was originally used (good point), but I say it is 100 times better than tables. Can I get a WSG response on the best format to layout a form. Cheers, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
