Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-26 Thread Chris Wilson
Come off it. Under no circumstance has it ever cost us more to do it right than to do it poorly; shoddy workmanship always results in higher costs. If it is costing you too much to do it right, you are doing more than just your coding wrong. On 10/25/07, Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[WSG] accessible calendars? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-10-26 Thread Leon Wild
Hi all, Can anyone recommend a standards compliant, calendar application for a website? Cheers, Leon Leon Wild :: Web Manager :: Human Rights Commission :: ph +61 2 9284 9698 :: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: The

Re: [WSG] accessible calendars? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-10-26 Thread Steven Faulkner
Hi Leon, I am not sure what you meant by calendat application, but have a look at: Unobtrusive Date-Picker http://www.frequency-decoder.com/2006/10/02/unobtrusive-date-picker-widgit-update/ On 26/10/2007, Leon Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Can anyone recommend a standards compliant,

Re: [WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread John Faulds
If the images are in the CSS, then there's no need for alt attributes. Conversely, if you believe an image should have alt text, then it shouldn't be in the CSS as a bg-image. On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:20:23 +1000, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again... Whoops...butterfingers

[WSG] WCAG conformance and checking

2007-10-26 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi, I am on a mission to get the microsite that I built for my wife http://phd.london.edu/ygrushkacockayne/ to conform to W3C's Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0, available at http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WAI-WEBCONTENT-19990505, level Double-A. I am reading

[WSG] Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi, http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/ Guideline 1. Provide equivalent alternatives to auditory and visual content 1.1 Provide a text equivalent for every non-text element (e.g., via alt, longdesc, or in element content). *This includes*: images, graphical representations of text (including symbols),

Re: [WSG] Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread Dave Woods
Hi Simon, If you have an image for purely presentational purposes then you can use a blank alt attribute alt= However, if it's purely for presentational purposes then you should really apply it using CSS as a background image ;o) Thanks Dave http://www.dave-woods.co.uk On 26/10/2007, Simon

[WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi again... Whoops...butterfingers I unwittingly hit send before completing my email. Anywise...here is what it should have said: Hi, WCAG 1.0 (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/) states: Guideline 1. Provide equivalent alternatives to auditory and visual content Provide content that, when

Re: [WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread Dave Woods
As a general rule, any images that add to the content or are required for navigation should be applied as a foreground image using the img tag and an alt attribute should be applied. If an image is purely for presentation then use CSS and apply it as a background image. Obviously there are

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2007-10-26 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi Dave, First off, thanks for the feedback. I do have the Firefox Web Developer tool bar...for some reason the toolsvalidate local accessibility seems to hang...possibly a firewall sisue..i will check on a different network. RE: http://phd.london.edu/ygrushkacockayne/index.html, you said...

Re: [WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
If an image is purely for presentation then use CSS and apply it as a background image. I personally don't think of this as some hard-and-fast rule, or even a rule-of-thumb since it's often impractical. I will often apply a decorative or supporting image for visual purposes, but if I have to

Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-26 Thread Michael Kear
Ok so Rogier says that a en esoteric non-standard version of Firefox gives a MINOR problem in navigaton on our help page.It MIGHT possibly affect perhaps 1 or 2 users out of more than100,000 users. There is no listing of anyone using debian in our OS stats. Which means it's only in

Re: [WSG] WCAG conformance and checking

2007-10-26 Thread dwain
i prefer this color contrast analyzer. http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/contrast-analyser.html dwain On 10/26/07, Dave Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the webdev toolbar for Firefox has direct links to the cynthiasays (WAI) checker and the section 508 checker along with some other

Re: [WSG] WCAG conformance and checking

2007-10-26 Thread Dave Woods
Yeah, the webdev toolbar for Firefox has direct links to the cynthiasays (WAI) checker and the section 508 checker along with some other useful tools so if you don't already have it, that's a must for all developers. http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/ There's also a colour contrast

Re: [WSG] WCAG conformance and checking

2007-10-26 Thread Jens Brueckmann
Hi Simon, I realize no automated checking is foolproof...but are there any good automated tools to assist in WCAG conformance checking? ( I hear cynthia mentioned from time to time...any good/any details? Any others? Any good Firefox extensions/plug-ins? while some guidelines can be checked

[WSG] WCAG conformance and checking

2007-10-26 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi Jen, Ooh...http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en is nice. Thanks! Simon *** From: Jens Brueckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:21:42 +0200 Subject: Re: [WSG] WCAG conformance and checkingWCAG conformance and checking Hi Simon, I realize no

Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2007-10-26 Thread Dave Woods
Sorry about that, the validator seemed to suggest that you had some image tags that weren't closed and that you were using instead of amp; but having validated it again, it appears fine. Strange. I've had problems with the WAI validator in Firefox sometimes as well, it seems that locally it has

Re: [WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread James Jeffery
This is my view. If an image is for aesthetic purposes, it should be in with the CSS. If an image is to be used as part of the content, for example, the image of your wife, then it should be within img tags. I would say that is common sense to be honest. If you turn of the CSS would you want

Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-26 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 26, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Michael Kear wrote: Good lord I’m glad you don’t run my development process. Let bloody debian fix their problem! Why should I have to spend MY time fixing things because they don’t get it right??? ... you are not fit to manage a commercial development

RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-26 Thread Michael Kear
I object to this notion that it's shoddy for me to ignore an insignificant number of users. And I resent your assertion that it is. Someone produces a version of some browser and it exists, and just because it exists, somewhere in the world, I'm being shoddy if I don't buy a machine

[WSG] How to make DHML cover flash - ADMION - THRERAD CLOSED

2007-10-26 Thread russ - maxdesign
ADMIN ­ THREAD CLOSED These sort of comments are not acceptable between members: you are doing more than just your coding wrong you are not fit to manage a commercial development operation Michael and Chris ­ this thread has now been closed as it has deteriorated into an emotional exchange that

Re: [WSG] WCAG conformance and checking

2007-10-26 Thread Stuart Foulstone
You might like: http://www.wave.webaim.org/index.jsp as a graphic aid. On Fri, October 26, 2007 1:22 pm, Simon Cockayne wrote: Hi Jen, Ooh...http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en is nice. Thanks! Simon *** From: Jens Brueckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-26 Thread Mark L Hedley
What's wrong with your Debian server? Regards, Mark Hedley Voxia Web Development Solutions Mobile: +44 07894 009 932 Office: +44 01670 840 752 Web: http://www.voxia.co.uk/ http://www.voxia.co.uk Proud Members of: GAWDS (Guild of Accessible Web Designers) | Web

Re: [WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread Designer
James Jeffery wrote: This is my view. If an image is for aesthetic purposes, it should be in with the CSS. If an image is to be used as part of the content, for example, the image of your wife, then it should be within img tags. I would say that is common sense to be honest. If you turn of

Re: [WSG] accessible calendars? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-10-26 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
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Re: [WSG] accessible calendars? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-10-26 Thread Sanke Solutions
Not sure if this is any help Leon, its a link to a tutorial for a CSS based calendar which you can probably tweak to fit your needs and standards. http://csshowto.com/layout/making-a-css-based-calender/ rgds Paul Leon Wild wrote: Hi all, Can anyone recommend a standards compliant, calendar

Re: [WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images

2007-10-26 Thread JonMarc Wright
Except, James, that folk who make elastic layouts very often want the aesthetics (graphics) to expand along with the text etc. This is not a problem if you size the graphics in em units, but of course you can't do that with backgrounds. ?? Bob backgrounds can be positioned using