[WSG] Out of office notice
Please note that we have closed down for our Summer Break from 14 December 2007 till 2 January 2008. Limited access to e-mail. If you urgently need to contact me, then please use the online contact form on http://www.asq.co.za/contact.aspx. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] positioning question
kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hi, On the below 3 column page http://www.jfl.ie/index.php Does that look allright? -best kvnmcwebn Yes, I suppose so. But there seldom is a correlation between how well a page /looks/ on the Web and how well that page /works/ on the Web (with user discretion in mind). Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Michael Horowitz wrote: It would be a wonderful world. I can't imagine how government does anything but lower standards in these areas. Assuming you're being serious, I would love to hear your reasoning for this. With most things even remotely technical now happily existing in a market for lemons, the general effect of a free market seems to be to lower quality to the lowest level allowed by law. Where does the impetus for high standards come from in your imagined utopia? Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Strange CSS problem
At http://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/ when I click on any of my links the text at Subscribe to this blog's feed turns red (which is the color is should change to when clicked. Here is what I believe is the relevant CSS .module a:link { color: #1e77f5 } .module a:visited { color: #d22539; } .module a:hover { color: ##1e77f5; } .module a:active { color: ##1e77f5; } ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background-color:#1c1c1b; border: 1px solid yellow; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background-color:#00; } -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange CSS problem
Michael Horowitz wrote: At http://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/ when I click on any of my links the text at Subscribe to this blog's feed turns red (which is the color is should change to when clicked. Hi Michael, It's not doing it here - FF 2.0.0.11 or IE 6.0. Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange CSS problem
Interesting as Andrew pointed out the issue does not occur is IE 6. I have it only occur in IE 7 which would make it a new IE bug. The frustrating part of typepad is I cannot delete the original css declaration only overwrite it with the new one. I'm also new to learning firebug, how does it show you this is occurring. I've mainly found it useful for javascript debugging. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Simon Moss wrote: Michael Horowitz wrote: At http://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/ when I click on any of my links the text at Subscribe to this blog's feed turns red (which is the color is should change to when clicked. .module a:link {styles.css (line 228) color:#FF; } .module a:link {styles.css (line 730) color:#1E77F5; } I don't know why IE7 should hark back to line 228 of the css after another link has been clicked, but I think that might help to offer some explanation - Firefox doesn't behave like this, I'm pleased to note. (Incidentally the Firebug add-on for Firefox made spotting this straightforward). Simon www.simonmoss.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange CSS problem
Michael Horowitz wrote: Interesting as Andrew pointed out the issue does not occur is IE 6. I have it only occur in IE 7 which would make it a new IE bug. The frustrating part of typepad is I cannot delete the original css declaration only overwrite it with the new one. I'm also new to learning firebug, how does it show you this is occurring. I've mainly found it useful for javascript debugging. I didn't realise that typepad gave those constraints. That is frustrating! If you open Firebug in a new window and select the html in the left hand window, and css in the right hand window, then any html element that you click on in the left hand window will have all relevant (and over-ridden) css style rules for that element displayed in the right hand window. It's indispensable! I think somehow IE7 is recognising an over-ridden style as still being relevant once another link in the page has been clicked - I assumed it was the rule on line 228 - but that is just a guess. I hope that's of some help. Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Do you forcibly work for the government or do you offer your services in the free market? Does your company hire the worst developers and designers or the best it can afford at the salary it is willing to pay. In the free market their tends to be high and low quality products based on the price the buyer wishes to pay. You can buy a Lexus or you can by Kia. All transactions are between a willing buyer and seller. I'd love Microsoft to follow standards, indeed I'm dealing with a IE bug right now that will probably be based on some standards violation, the question becomes should government be involved. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Rob Crowther wrote: Michael Horowitz wrote: It would be a wonderful world. I can't imagine how government does anything but lower standards in these areas. Assuming you're being serious, I would love to hear your reasoning for this. With most things even remotely technical now happily existing in a market for lemons, the general effect of a free market seems to be to lower quality to the lowest level allowed by law. Where does the impetus for high standards come from in your imagined utopia? Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b ; border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Michael Horowitz wrote: In the free market their tends to be high and low quality products based on the price the buyer wishes to pay. You can buy a Lexus or you can by Kia. All transactions are between a willing buyer and seller. Only until you get to a situation of oligopoly or monopoly. Then, the quality of the product and its price often bear no relation. In that environment, products are not allowed to thrive on quality - even a remarkably better product can be squashed simply because of the stranglehold of the few or single dominant company/companies. Which, in the end, hurts the general consumer population as a whole, and can have ramifications that go far beyond just the market (politics, for instance). But hey...Atlas shrugged, and so do I, as this isn't the right list for this sort of discussion. I'm just amazed that, for once, this wasn't triggered by the topic of accessibility... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Good resources
56 Flash tutorials http://www.blogcreativo.com.ar/56-tutoriales-de-flash/ 65 Illustrator tutorials http://www.blogcreativo.com.ar/65-tutoriales-de-illustrator/ 800 Photoshop Brushes http://www.blogcreativo.com.ar/mas-de-800-brushes-para-photoshop/ _ MSN Noticias http://noticias.msn.es/comunidad.aspx *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b ; border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You messed up the background and the border. It should be: background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
where in the folder structure is the css file? On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b ; border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You messed up the background and the border. It should be: background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
try url(../images/atom.gif) On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b ; border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You messed up the background and the border. It should be: background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
On Dec 16, 2007 9:54 PM, Adam Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where in the folder structure is the css file? On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b ; border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You messed up the background and the border. It should be: background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** In ul a. I think that's what you wanted, but I'm not sure. ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Look how Firefox has grown to 16% of the market. I think that shows how you are not correct. I also suspect that Open Office is going to start challenging Microsoft as well. Especially is MSFT succeeds with establishing good copy protection Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Michael Horowitz wrote: In the free market their tends to be high and low quality products based on the price the buyer wishes to pay. You can buy a Lexus or you can by Kia. All transactions are between a willing buyer and seller. Only until you get to a situation of oligopoly or monopoly. Then, the quality of the product and its price often bear no relation. In that environment, products are not allowed to thrive on quality - even a remarkably better product can be squashed simply because of the stranglehold of the few or single dominant company/companies. Which, in the end, hurts the general consumer population as a whole, and can have ramifications that go far beyond just the market (politics, for instance). But hey...Atlas shrugged, and so do I, as this isn't the right list for this sort of discussion. I'm just amazed that, for once, this wasn't triggered by the topic of accessibility... P *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
That was a stupid mistake but when corrected I still have the issue. I also should at least have had the hover working when I make that mistake and it didn't show either /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 krugonN wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b ; border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You messed up the background and the border. It should be: background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
Solved it I had to use /images not images Strange that it is so specific. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Adam Martin wrote: try url(../images/atom.gif) On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b ; border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You messed up the background and the border. It should be: background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
As I said you need to change to background:#1c1c1b url(../images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; note the ../ On Dec 17, 2007 11:31 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was a stupid mistake but when corrected I still have the issue. I also should at least have had the hover working when I make that mistake and it didn't show either /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 krugonN wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b ; border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif; font-weight:900; } ul a:hover { background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; } Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You messed up the background and the border. It should be: background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; border: 1px solid yellow; Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
On Dec 16, 2007 7:06 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does your company hire the worst developers and designers or the best it can afford at the salary it is willing to pay. I just finished working for a company that would hire the worst developers and designers. I think it was something called outsourcing. So, yeah. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
On Dec 16, 2007 8:27 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look how Firefox has grown to 16% of the market. I think that shows how you are not correct. I also suspect that Open Office is going to start challenging Microsoft as well. Especially is MSFT succeeds with establishing good copy protection Didn't OOo file a complaint regarding Microsoft's Open XML format? I know they started a petition because Microsoft bucked their ODT format and came up with their own, which has been rammed through the standards approval process instead of ODT. So even Microsoft plays the standards system, and OOo appeals to the same powers-that-be as Opera. Do you follow the news about the companies you support? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Michael Horowitz wrote: Look how Firefox has grown to 16% of the market. I think that shows how you are not correct. Aeh..you ARE aware of the various antitrust actions the government took to prevent MSFT from becoming an actual monopoly, don't you? Without government action in the past, the growth of Firefox, or any other such product, would have been difficult if not outright impossible. Of course, the playing field is still far from an idealised free market, but thanks to government checks and balances it's at least not at the level of tight stiffling oligopoly or monopoly. Again, this isn't the right list to discuss libertarian utopia... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Again this isn't about supporting one company over another. It's about using the coercive power of government to control someone elses private property (which is what a business is) I don't like a lot of how MSFT does things. But they don't control the world. Frontpage died while Dreamweaver dominates the web design market. Not every website is developed in Visual Studio, some of us use PHP. Not every email is sent on an exchange server. I use Vista today and believe if MSFT keeps making such bloated OS's someone else will show up one day with a better mousetrap and MSFT will find itself losing market share in that area as well. Ask yourself where have you ever seen government controlled economies beat a free market one. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Christian Montoya wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 8:27 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look how Firefox has grown to 16% of the market. I think that shows how you are not correct. I also suspect that Open Office is going to start challenging Microsoft as well. Especially is MSFT succeeds with establishing good copy protection Didn't OOo file a complaint regarding Microsoft's Open XML format? I know they started a petition because Microsoft bucked their ODT format and came up with their own, which has been rammed through the standards approval process instead of ODT. So even Microsoft plays the standards system, and OOo appeals to the same powers-that-be as Opera. Do you follow the news about the companies you support? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
And see what happens to the company in the market. 6 months ago I was let go because my boss thought I was a threat to his job. The company continues a spiral towards bankruptcy. They are the oldest company in their business and their chief competitor beats them every time they go head to head. They only get the business that company doesn't want. They are sued by their customers for incompetency on a regular basis. The free market does work. It's ugly and messy, kinda like democracy. I'd be against it but nothing else works better. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Christian Montoya wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 7:06 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does your company hire the worst developers and designers or the best it can afford at the salary it is willing to pay. I just finished working for a company that would hire the worst developers and designers. I think it was something called outsourcing. So, yeah. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange CSS problem
It isn't the overwritten style. I verified that by changing the visited link to green .module a:link { color: #1e77f5; } /*.module a:visited { color: #d22539; }*/ .module a:visited { color: green; } .module a:hover { color: #1e77f5; } .module a:active { color: #1e77f5; } and now it changes to green when I click another link. Why would it think its link was visited when it wasn't? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Simon Moss wrote: Michael Horowitz wrote: Interesting as Andrew pointed out the issue does not occur is IE 6. I have it only occur in IE 7 which would make it a new IE bug. The frustrating part of typepad is I cannot delete the original css declaration only overwrite it with the new one. I'm also new to learning firebug, how does it show you this is occurring. I've mainly found it useful for javascript debugging. I didn't realise that typepad gave those constraints. That is frustrating! If you open Firebug in a new window and select the html in the left hand window, and css in the right hand window, then any html element that you click on in the left hand window will have all relevant (and over-ridden) css style rules for that element displayed in the right hand window. It's indispensable! I think somehow IE7 is recognising an over-ridden style as still being relevant once another link in the page has been clicked - I assumed it was the rule on line 228 - but that is just a guess. I hope that's of some help. Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Michael Horowitz wrote: And see what happens to the company in the market. The damage has already been done however. What happens when rather then it being a piece of software thats faulty, its a car. or a child's toy, or an aeroplane. Sure, eventually the company would get its just deserts, but only after the blood has been spilt. Government regulation is a necessary evil. It stops companies from taking advantage of a consumers lack of knowledge. Dylan. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Do we just throw out the img tag
Now that I have mastered putting an image in a site using CSS do we just throw out the img tag in standards based xhtml. And how does the use of css compare with use of the object tag http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/jun2004/ I found in my google searches on the issue. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN [THREAD CAUTION] Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Guys, While the thread is interesting, do try to keep it on the topic of *web standards*. Some of the points which are either off topic or verging there include: - is Microsoft the boogey man? - should the government implement standards. The thread is still open, and it will stay that way if *you* stay on toopic! :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Do we just throw out the img tag
I assume you mean you are setting a background image using css - now what if you want another image on top - you use img tag for that. For example have a look at http://qps.shockmedia.com.au/About-QPS - if you resize the browser window you will see that the logo appears on top of the image on the left. (I am aware of the navigation wrapping issue). Cheers Adam On Dec 17, 2007 1:36 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have mastered putting an image in a site using CSS do we just throw out the img tag in standards based xhtml. And how does the use of css compare with use of the object tag http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/jun2004/ I found in my google searches on the issue. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Do we just throw out the img tag
Personally, I think the img tag has the correct semantics (and attributes) for an image. I'd just keep them for images in paragraphs and use css background for everything else. An object is just that! -Original Message- From: Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Do we just throw out the img tag Now that I have mastered putting an image in a site using CSS do we just throw out the img tag in standards based xhtml. And how does the use of css compare with use of the object tag http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/jun2004/ I found in my google searches on the issue. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Do we just throw out the img tag
Michael Horowitz wrote: Now that I have mastered putting an image in a site using CSS do we just throw out the img tag in standards based xhtml. And how does the use of css compare with use of the object tag http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/jun2004/ I found in my google searches on the issue. No, we shouldn't get rid of the img element. There is a semantic difference between using CSS to put in an image (which is a background) and a normal image, which could be content. -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***