RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

[michael.brockington]

Do I understand this right: you want the background to change, as the mouse 
passes over one of these diagonal lines - or just when the user mouses over any 
part of the background?
 
Mike




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Hello everyone. 

Well there´s something I want to do but I have no idea if it´s possible 
to be done and how would I do this.

My website (www.laertjansen.com) has some two color diagonal lines as a 
bg.

What I want to do is: On the mouse over color X it becomes color Y 
   On the mouse over color Y it becomes 
color X

Is it possible to be done?

Thanks a lot for any help

-- 
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www.laertjansen.com




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Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

[Martin Heiden]

Kane,

on Friday, April 11, 2008 at 03:03 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:

> If I HAD to do something like this, I would create a Gif image that had a
> transparency where you wanted the colour change.

Yes, but you should use a PNG with alpha-transparency. The lines are
diagonal, so you need some anti-aliasing effects to make it smooth.
GIF-transparency doesn't allow that.

With a PNG you get a problem in IE6 though, 'cause you can't simply
scale it (the diagonal line would be thicker than intended an of cause
you just get one...). And tiling isn't supported by the filter.

regards,

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Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

[Ben Dodson]

Completely unrelated but a minor bugbear from me - If you disable images,
then you can't read your links as they are white and the usual browser
background color default is white.  This can be remedied by adding a
background color of black to your body so that the links will now become
visible when images are disabled.  You can test this easily by using the Web
Developer toolbar for Firefox.
Cheers,

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On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Laert Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> Well there´s something I want to do but I have no idea if it´s possible to
> be done and how would I do this.
>
> My website (www.laertjansen.com) has some two color diagonal lines as a
> bg.
>
> What I want to do is: On the mouse over color X it becomes color Y
>On the mouse over color Y it becomes color
> X
>
> Is it possible to be done?
>
> Thanks a lot for any help
>
> --
> Laert Jansen
> www.laertjansen.com
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[WSG] border-radius for IE8?

[tee]

Do you know if IE8 will support border-radius?

Can't find this info from a quick 5 minutes google search.

Am working on a site that I uses webkit and moz border-radius for many  
blocks, I thought I might as well through in the IE8 pre-support if  
possible :)


thanks!

tee


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RE: [WSG] border-radius for IE8?

[Frederik Vig]

> > Do you know if IE8 will support border-radius?> 
No it won't, according to this: 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024(VS.85).aspx
 
Frederik



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> minutes google search.> > Am working on a site that I uses webkit and moz 
> border-radius for many > blocks, I thought I might as well through in the IE8 
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Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

[Stuart Foulstone]

Hi,

>From a usability and accessibility point of view doing this is a very bad
idea, so is way OT for Web Standards Group.


On Thu, April 10, 2008 11:54 pm, Laert Jansen wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> Well there´s something I want to do but I have no idea if it´s possible to
> be done and how would I do this.
>
> My website (www.laertjansen.com) has some two color diagonal lines as a
> bg.
>
> What I want to do is: On the mouse over color X it becomes color Y
>On the mouse over color Y it becomes color
> X
>
> Is it possible to be done?
>
> Thanks a lot for any help
>
> --
> Laert Jansen
> www.laertjansen.com
>
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RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

[michael.brockington]

>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:40 AM
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>Subject: Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change colour?
>
>Hi,
>
>From a usability and accessibility point of view doing this is 
>a very bad idea, so is way OT for Web Standards Group.


How can you possibly say that until we have a proposed implementation on
the table? It does sound like it could be a little irritating, but
certainly there is little likelihood if it interfering with the more
extreme examples of AT.

Regards,
Mike


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Re[2]: [WSG] border-radius for IE8?

[джамали меслауров]

No

-Original Message-
From: Frederik Vig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:09:16 +
Subject: RE: [WSG] border-radius for IE8?

> > > Do you know if IE8 will support border-radius?> 
> No it won't, according to this: 
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024(VS.85).aspx
>  
> Frederik
> 
> 
> 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> Subject: [WSG] 
> > border-radius for IE8?> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:59:51 -0700> > Do you 
> > know if IE8 will support border-radius?> > Can't find this info from a 
> > quick 5 minutes google search.> > Am working on a site that I uses webkit 
> > and moz border-radius for many > blocks, I thought I might as well through 
> > in the IE8 pre-support if > possible :)> > thanks!> > tee> > > 
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Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

[Laert Jansen]

Hey Mike,  there´s a black line and a grey line when the mouse
passes over one grey line it becomes blackwhen the mouse passes
over one black line it becomes grey..only the line that the
mouse passes over would change its color..not the whole bg or the other
lines

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Do I understand this right: you want the background to change, as the
> mouse passes over one of these diagonal lines - or just when the user mouses
> over any part of the background?
>
> Mike
>
>  --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *Laert Jansen
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:55 PM
> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> *Subject:* [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> Well there´s something I want to do but I have no idea if it´s possible to
> be done and how would I do this.
>
> My website (www.laertjansen.com) has some two color diagonal lines as a
> bg.
>
> What I want to do is: On the mouse over color X it becomes color Y
>On the mouse over color Y it becomes color
> X
>
> Is it possible to be done?
>
> Thanks a lot for any help
>
> --
> Laert Jansen
> www.laertjansen.com
>
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RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

[michael.brockington]

That sounds very complex to achieve, if it is possible:
As things stand, the lines you are talking about don't actually exist, they are 
an artefact of the tiled bb image you are using (nb, the effect was too subtle 
for me to see on the first machine I viewed your site on) - to do what you 
describe you will first of all have to make those lines tangible somehow, or at 
the very least a single diagonal line that could be positioned to give you the 
visual effect you describe.
Secondly you have to detect the transitions between one line and the next, 
which require either a tangible block (not easy for a diagonal), an image map, 
or some careful maths tied to some JavaScript.
 
Out of all that, all I can see that would be possible would be to set up two 
approximately full-page-size layers above your background, but beneath all of 
your content. One layer with a single grey diagonal line, and the other with a 
single black diagonal line. 
Then, track the position of the mouse, and if it is over any of the content, 
hide both floating layers.
If the mouse is over the calculated position of a grey line, then show the 
black-line-layer, with the position adjusted so that the overlay line 
co-incides with the bg-line.
When the mouse moves over to a black line, hide the black-line-layer, make the 
grey-line-layer visible, and position appropriately.
 
That sounds like a lot of work to me, maybe too much code to even work, but 
does sound like a fun effect, if the colours had a fraction more contrast.
 
Everyone: feel free to chip in if you think I have missed anything,
Regards,
Mike




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Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:25 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?


Hey Mike,  there´s a black line and a grey line when the mouse 
passes over one grey line it becomes blackwhen the mouse passes 
over one black line it becomes grey..only the line that the mouse 
passes over would change its color..not the whole bg or the other lines


On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Do I understand this right: you want the background to change, 
as the mouse passes over one of these diagonal lines - or just when the user 
mouses over any part of the background?
 
Mike


 



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Re: [WSG] border-radius for IE8?

[tee]

On Apr 11, 2008, at 2:09 AM, Frederik Vig wrote:



No it won't, according to this: 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024(VS.85).aspx

Frederik


Hi Frederik,

Thank you. Great resources there. Never think to look for MSDN's  
library :)


tee


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Re: [WSG] need some help

[Joseph Ortenzi]

Generally, yes, but not necessarily.
Can I see some links?

On Apr 11, 2008, at 06:53, John Horner wrote:


Does the coder need to be in London?

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Hi All London Standardistas!

Hope this little job request is agreeable to the list.

I need some quick template creation help (paid) for 2-3 days next week
possibly. Anyone got some time available?
You need to be a whizz at fully-compliant XHTML/CSS and modifying a
basic template to several (6) different variations.
My deadline got squeezed and I need my OOP coders concentrating on the
back-end and interface functionality.
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Re: [WSG] need some help

[Joseph Ortenzi]

well, no "slicing" as it must be crafted out of Xhtml according to  
existing plans

design is already done.

On Apr 10, 2008, at 21:28, Spirit Q.9 Gaming wrote:


Hi Joe,

Just slice xhtml or must design and slice?

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Максим Косак  
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Sorry man, i'm too busy

2008/4/10, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi All London Standardistas!

Hope this little job request is agreeable to the list.

I need some quick template creation help (paid) for 2-3 days next  
week possibly. Anyone got some time available?
You need to be a whizz at fully-compliant XHTML/CSS and modifying a  
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My deadline got squeezed and I need my OOP coders concentrating on  
the back-end and interface functionality.

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Re: [WSG] Standard for "committing" changes to a database?

[Joseph Ortenzi]

who is your target audience?

If they are basic desktop users and not technical, then you want to  
use language they understand rather than the technical language.


"Commit changes" is too technical, and you should never mix the  
commits in any one view. I like the "Save changes" suggestion.


by:

In some places, changes are "committed" as soon as you enter them, a  
bit

like how Microsoft Access operates. In other places, the user has to
specifically "save" to commit changes, like MYOB.


Are you saying these differences are on one page or view or in  
different pages or views?


Personally, I would be pretty pissed off if, while editing a record,  
some items commit instantly and others only commit on "save". The  
instant commits would make me think the others were instant too and/or  
the "on save" commits would make me think my changes would commit only  
after the save. If you mix things up like this you need to be pretty  
clear some are destructive and others less so.


If you were to do this you would definitely need to have a revert  
function that takes the record completely back to where it was before  
any changes were carried out.


I agree with Elizabeth in that you should let people modify their view/ 
page before any commit.


Joe


On Apr 11, 2008, at 04:33, Elizabeth Spiegel wrote:


Hi Jessica

As a user, I am really annoyed by applications that don't work  
consistently
- they're much harder to learn (at work I have to use one that  
labels the

same tool a 'Power search' in one place and an 'Advanced search' in
another).

I would prefer to see a 'save changes' button (or similar) as the  
consistent
approach - it provides an opportunity to review before you save  
something

awful.

Elizabeth
Web editor
www.spiegelweb.com.au

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Hi everyone

I am currently reviewing a desktop application that involves mostly  
viewing

and changing records in a database (via a nice GUI front end).

In some places, changes are "committed" as soon as you enter them, a  
bit

like how Microsoft Access operates. In other places, the user has to
specifically "save" to commit changes, like MYOB.

Any opinions on when one approach should be used over the other and  
whether

the inconsistency matters?

Thanks in anticipation,


Jessica Enders
Director
Formulate Information Design

http://formulate.com.au

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Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

[Andrew Freedman]

Sounds more like a web design issue rather than a web standards issue.  
Maybe it should be taken to a web design list.


Try - 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/adobe-dreamweaver/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=1


Andrew.


Laert Jansen provided the following information on 11/04/2008 8:54 AM:

Hello everyone.

Well there´s something I want to do but I have no idea if it´s 
possible to be done and how would I do this.
My website (www.laertjansen.com ) has some 
two color diagonal lines as a bg.

What I want to do is: On the mouse over color X it becomes color Y
   On the mouse over color Y it becomes 
color X

Is it possible to be done?
Thanks a lot for any help
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www.laertjansen.com 





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