RE: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?
To my eyes, the reason is that the font itself is larger on the right hand side. Naturally this will give a larger line-height, unless you have specified otherwise. Regards, Mike Mike Brockington Web Development Specialist www.calcResult.com www.stephanieBlakey.me.uk www.edinburgh.gov.uk This message does not reflect the opinions of any entity other than the author alone. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jens-Uwe Korff Sent: 09 January 2009 05:22 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they? Hi all, thanks for your suggestions. I'm attaching a side-by-side comparison of a snippet of the page since I cannot put any code live, hoping the attachment gets delivered. Safari is on the left, Chrome on the right. If you cannot see the attachment, it shows how the graphical background elements are all lined up vertically, but the type is not. There's a slowly increasing offset between text lines in each of the two boxes. I'll try the rounding approach David suggested and will report back. Sorry for the delay, I've been busy with urgent tasks. Thanks, Jens The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com
Greetings everyone, I just published this site: www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com for my our Yoga Studio to-be and I am curious for a critique. Someone else came up with the design and I hand-coded this in Dreamweaver. Tonight I will be applying Dean Edward's IE7/8, so, hopefully I can get rid of some of those CSS hacks. =) It is still a little bit rough it will work for now... I am also having someone put this up on Wordpress or Drupal. Let me know what you think... This is the first critique I have asked for... I would love to hear any questions, comments, suggestions, or improvements. *hides in a corner* Thanks all, Jim __ "All for one and one for all." www.ArionsHome.com (Persona BLog) www.FreeXenon.com (Web Site Consulting) www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com (Our Yoga Studio) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
# Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
Hi, Excuse me for jumping in here, especially (in this case) as a Flash partisan. But I fail to see how this kind of project can be anything other than a good thing overall. What I don't understand is why people are instantly critical of projects that are actually attempting to increase access to new technology. I've heard a constant drumbeat of "don't use Flash: it's inaccessible" in the years I've been involved in the field. But if we don't have people pushing that envelope, doesn't that make that statement self-fulfilling prophecy? There are lots of us out there working on improving the accessibility of both existing and future content authored in Flash. There are many arguments to be made for HTML -- I made loads of them while working for W3C, all of which I would stand by today -- but it is not all things to all people. The fact is that many educators have found that they can use Flash to teach their students effectively. I'm not an educator by profession, but my wife is, and she prefers Flash over HTML/CSS/JS to develop her courseware. If you were to tell her she's wrong, especially before seeing what kind of work she does, I think you'd probably find yourself dodging a couple shelves' worth of education texts. Telling a professional their tools are wrong is not the most endearing of approaches. In my opinion, the best one can do is to learn what they're doing, and offer ways to make that output more efficient, more inclusive, and easier to produce. Teachers aren't usually web developers, and we shouldn't want them to be. So I'm all for companies taking on the technical problems so teachers can be teachers, and so on. Thanks, M Accessibility Engineer, Adobe Christie Mason said: > Exactly right. I've sadly watched Flash take over eLearning and still > haven't figured out the attraction, except that it offers the control of PPT > while appearing to be "rich".There's only a very few types of web sites > that still use Flash for delivering primary content - media sites, those > that focus more on "look at me" instead of being a resource to their site > guests, and eLearning. > Since, supposedly, eLearning is about offering web based resources for > learning it just doesn't make sense to me that it has ignored all the ways > the web has supported, continues to support, learning w/o using Flash. > Flash on the web is like cooking with garlic. A little adds depth, a lot is > inedible. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
Agreed! > -Original Message- > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Morgan-May > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:50 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT > > Hi, > > Excuse me for jumping in here, especially (in this case) as a Flash > partisan. But I fail to see how this kind of project can be anything other > than a good thing overall. > > What I don't understand is why people are instantly critical of projects > that are actually attempting to increase access to new technology. I've > heard a constant drumbeat of "don't use Flash: it's inaccessible" in the > years I've been involved in the field. But if we don't have people pushing > that envelope, doesn't that make that statement self-fulfilling prophecy? > There are lots of us out there working on improving the accessibility of > both existing and future content authored in Flash. > > There are many arguments to be made for HTML -- I made loads of them while > working for W3C, all of which I would stand by today -- but it is not all > things to all people. The fact is that many educators have found that they > can use Flash to teach their students effectively. I'm not an educator by > profession, but my wife is, and she prefers Flash over HTML/CSS/JS to > develop her courseware. If you were to tell her she's wrong, especially > before seeing what kind of work she does, I think you'd probably find > yourself dodging a couple shelves' worth of education texts. Telling a > professional their tools are wrong is not the most endearing of approaches. > In my opinion, the best one can do is to learn what they're doing, and offer > ways to make that output more efficient, more inclusive, and easier to > produce. > > Teachers aren't usually web developers, and we shouldn't want them to be. So > I'm all for companies taking on the technical problems so teachers can be > teachers, and so on. > > Thanks, > M > Accessibility Engineer, Adobe > > Christie Mason said: > > Exactly right. I've sadly watched Flash take over eLearning and still > > haven't figured out the attraction, except that it offers the control of PPT > > while appearing to be "rich".There's only a very few types of web sites > > that still use Flash for delivering primary content - media sites, those > > that focus more on "look at me" instead of being a resource to their site > > guests, and eLearning. > > > Since, supposedly, eLearning is about offering web based resources for > > learning it just doesn't make sense to me that it has ignored all the ways > > the web has supported, continues to support, learning w/o using Flash. > > Flash on the web is like cooking with garlic. A little adds depth, a lot is > > inedible. > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
On 10/01/2009, at 6:50 AM, Matt Morgan-May wrote: Hi, Excuse me for jumping in here, especially (in this case) as a Flash partisan. But I fail to see how this kind of project can be anything other than a good thing overall. What I don't understand is why people are instantly critical of projects that are actually attempting to increase access to new technology. I've heard a constant drumbeat of "don't use Flash: it's inaccessible" in the years I've been involved in the field. But if we don't have people pushing that envelope, doesn't that make that statement self-fulfilling prophecy? There are lots of us out there working on improving the accessibility of both existing and future content authored in Flash. There are many arguments to be made for HTML -- I made loads of them while working for W3C, all of which I would stand by today -- but it is not all things to all people. The fact is that many educators have found that they can use Flash to teach their students effectively. I'm not an educator by profession, but my wife is, and she prefers Flash over HTML/CSS/JS to develop her courseware. If you were to tell her she's wrong, especially before seeing what kind of work she does, I think you'd probably find yourself dodging a couple shelves' worth of education texts. Telling a professional their tools are wrong is not the most endearing of approaches. In my opinion, the best one can do is to learn what they're doing, and offer ways to make that output more efficient, more inclusive, and easier to produce. Teachers aren't usually web developers, and we shouldn't want them to be. So I'm all for companies taking on the technical problems so teachers can be teachers, and so on. Ultimately teachers should aim to teach the skills that are required of students entering the industry. It’s not uncommon that many secondary and tertiary IT and web media courses are grossly outdated. From my experience this is mostly attributed to the teacher’s education in the field which they received when they did their tertiary education in order to teach, and have since not remained up to date with new developments and sadly even standards. Money and a requirement to regularly attend courses to keep educators up to date help in this regard but nothing beats personal interest—the high school IT teacher that in their own time is actively involved in his or her field will be more likely to teach his students about the latest relevant and exciting bleeding edge technologies. On a side note, my personal opinion on web media courses focusing on rich web content is that they should still entail the bare basics of HTML, XHTML, and CSS, with a toe-dip into JavaScript. These technologies are so fundamental to the web, and given their role as standards they should be part of any web-related courses. Just my 2¢. Thanks for raising this topic. (: —Pascal Thanks, M Accessibility Engineer, Adobe Christie Mason said: Exactly right. I've sadly watched Flash take over eLearning and still haven't figured out the attraction, except that it offers the control of PPT while appearing to be "rich".There's only a very few types of web sites that still use Flash for delivering primary content - media sites, those that focus more on "look at me" instead of being a resource to their site guests, and eLearning. Since, supposedly, eLearning is about offering web based resources for learning it just doesn't make sense to me that it has ignored all the ways the web has supported, continues to support, learning w/o using Flash. Flash on the web is like cooking with garlic. A little adds depth, a lot is inedible. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** --- Simon Pascal Klein Concept designer (w) http://klepas.org (e) kle...@klepas.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
