Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
On 29 Sep 2009, at 00:45, Ben Buchanan wrote: The only valid way to change the numbering of lists in strict XHTML is to put a value= on each LI. The value attribute for li elements doesn't appear in Strict. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/attributes.html is marked with an L, so it appears only in Loose (Transitional). -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
On 29 Sep 2009, at 00:45, Ben Buchanan wrote: The only valid way to change the numbering of lists in strict XHTML is to put a value= on each LI. The value attribute for li elements doesn't appear in Strict. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/attributes.html is marked with an L, so it appears only in Loose (Transitional). Ahh so it is, well spotted. Guess it's transitional or bust then! :) -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] [Spam] :The wisdom? of using q to clear
I'm not sure q is supported by all browsers. Nancy On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:26 AM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: - Original Message - From: Ben Buchanan 2009/9/27 designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Thanks to all who replied. However, no-one said don't do this because . . . ?? OK, well, since you're kind of asking... ;) Don't do that because it's horrendously non-semantic and you should be making your pages semantically correct. You are basically adding fake content to your page just to support a specific design requirement at a specific point in time, etc... Since you're actually adding content, you could potentially end up with some users seeing for clearing when they view your page. For example some mobile phones I've used revealed content that was hidden by CSS. Also Google will pick up all the extraneous for clearing text and read it along with your real content. If you want to put something into your markup just for clearing purposes I can't really see the point in using q - it's not a quote by any stretch of the imagination. If you can make it work with a br / tag stick to that, I think. If you need text just use a neutral tag and a space, eg. div class=brute-force-clearnbsp;/div which is at least better than actual text. Better to avoid it entirely though, using one of the alternative fixes mentioned earlier. cheers, Ben --- Fair enough Ben, I'm convinced! I've adopted the 'corrected' overflow approach, as suggested by TDK, for the particular job in hand. Thanks all, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] [Spam] :The wisdom? of using q to clear
On 29 Sep 2009, at 15:35, Nancy Johnson wrote: I'm not sure q is supported by all browsers. It isn't, but so what? It still causes problems in browsers which do support it when it is abused. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] [Spam] :The wisdom? of using q to clear
- Original Message - From: David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] [Spam] :The wisdom? of using q to clear On 29 Sep 2009, at 15:35, Nancy Johnson wrote: I'm not sure q is supported by all browsers. It isn't, but so what? It still causes problems in browsers which do support it when it is abused. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk Such as what? (serious question - as I said, I'm not using this method, but enquiring minds like to know :-) Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] new site review
Hi guys! It's been quite a long time since I last contributed to this list but I've been busy making my own website. It's built on Expression Engine (my first one with this CMS) and I'd really would like to know what you guys think. http://www.raulferrer.com Things to keep in mind: the portfolio and services are there but they're not completely finished, 'cause I want to develop each service and each client more deeply. Other than that is more or less done. I'm working on the multiple languages (it's going to be in 5 languages), so it's still needs some work to do. Thanks in advance! Cheers Raul PD: I've tested it with FF2 FF3, IE6, 7 8, Opera 9, Safari 4 and Chrome 3. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] new site review
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Raul Ferrer wrote: http://www.raulferrer.com The contrast between most of the text and its background is so low as to be unreadable. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] new site review
Looks good, Raul! I'm able to read the text without problem, on both analog and digital monitors. Don't make the text contrast any less, however, especially in the menu, as those with lesser quality monitors and poorer eyesight might have difficulty reading it. Would recommend a Home menu item, just because it's so common. I knew to click on the logo, but others may not think of that so readily. I like the contrasting blue...nice menu rollover image...readily available contact info... call to action...good...informative overview of your process...attractive graphics... good consistent layout...like the quotes and photos under the header on each page... Good job! I can tell you put a lot of thought into the styling of your site and it has paid off! Rick -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Raul Ferrer Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:07 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] new site review Hi guys! It's been quite a long time since I last contributed to this list but I've been busy making my own website. It's built on Expression Engine (my first one with this CMS) and I'd really would like to know what you guys think. http://www.raulferrer.com Things to keep in mind: the portfolio and services are there but they're not completely finished, 'cause I want to develop each service and each client more deeply. Other than that is more or less done. I'm working on the multiple languages (it's going to be in 5 languages), so it's still needs some work to do. Thanks in advance! Cheers Raul PD: I've tested it with FF2 FF3, IE6, 7 8, Opera 9, Safari 4 and Chrome 3. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] new site review
Hi Raul, On the contact page is it supposed to say ...and bring your project to live or ...and bring your project to life ? Just an observation. Danny On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Looks good, Raul! I'm able to read the text without problem, on both analog and digital monitors. Don't make the text contrast any less, however, especially in the menu, as those with lesser quality monitors and poorer eyesight might have difficulty reading it. Would recommend a Home menu item, just because it's so common. I knew to click on the logo, but others may not think of that so readily. I like the contrasting blue...nice menu rollover image...readily available contact info... call to action...good...informative overview of your process...attractive graphics... good consistent layout...like the quotes and photos under the header on each page... Good job! I can tell you put a lot of thought into the styling of your site and it has paid off! Rick -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Raul Ferrer Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:07 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] new site review Hi guys! It's been quite a long time since I last contributed to this list but I've been busy making my own website. It's built on Expression Engine (my first one with this CMS) and I'd really would like to know what you guys think. http://www.raulferrer.com Things to keep in mind: the portfolio and services are there but they're not completely finished, 'cause I want to develop each service and each client more deeply. Other than that is more or less done. I'm working on the multiple languages (it's going to be in 5 languages), so it's still needs some work to do. Thanks in advance! Cheers Raul PD: I've tested it with FF2 FF3, IE6, 7 8, Opera 9, Safari 4 and Chrome 3. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] new site review
A good validator for color contrast is the Contrast Analyser at http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/contrast-analyser.html - which validates against the luminosity standards set out in Guidelines 1.4.3 and 1.4.6 of the W3C's WCAG 2.0 standard. Elliot -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chris F.A. Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:34 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] new site review On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Raul Ferrer wrote: http://www.raulferrer.com The contrast between most of the text and its background is so low as to be unreadable. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] [Spam] :The wisdom? of using q to clear
On 29 Sep 2009, at 18:35, designer wrote: I'm not sure q is supported by all browsers. It isn't, but so what? It still causes problems in browsers which do support it when it is abused. Such as what? (serious question - as I said, I'm not using this method, but enquiring minds like to know :-) Such as those described in the message to which the highest level quote in this mail was a response to. (The joy of context lost due to top posting) … and the generation of quote marks around the element. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: new site review
Hi guys! Thanks for your comments! @Sarah: Thanks :) That's really nice to hear, and yes, I wanted to put more thinking on the text so that it would look a bit friendly yet not too geeky :P @Chris: Thanks, it's great to get some criticism. However, it's the first time I get a reply on problems with readability. Could you please tell me if there's some specific text (grey, blue or brown?) that's unreadable? Also could you tell me which platform and browser were you using (I'm really interested on this...) @Rick: Thanks a lot! Both for comments and testing on a CRT monitor (I no longer can test on those and that's a pity). I had a home link on the menu but dropped it because it looked way too crammed. And since the home doesn't hold much more info I thought I'd just leave the logo link. @Danny: that might be a semantic problem. I'm not a native English speaker, so to me it makes sense to bring to life because that's a noun, while live it's the verb, but if you say it's the other way round, I'll change that :) @Elliot! Nice program. I didn't know about it. I normally use a few other tools and then the Total Validator to comply with the WCAG2.0 (AAA) standard. I already used it and yay, it validates the contrast of both background and three colors and passes all except for the brown headings...so I'll have to look into that, too. Thanks a lot. Thanks guys. I welcome other to pinpoint other errors (nice comments accepted, too ;) ) Cheers Raul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] new site review
It's built on Expression Engine (my first one with this CMS) and I'd really would like to know what you guys think. http://www.raulferrer.com Nice site Raul, I share the comments from Chris on problems with readability. Other than that, really like what you've done. Also, I am part of ExpressionEngine Pro Network, you should post this on their forums http://expressionengine.com/forums/viewforum/3/ as well. Regards, -- Cem Meric Managing Director | Webunder http://webunder.com.au http://twitter.com/webunder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] new site review
The website is nice but you should but links to the pages in your portfolio. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Cem Meric cem.me...@kalkadoon.net wrote: It's built on Expression Engine (my first one with this CMS) and I'd really would like to know what you guys think. http://www.raulferrer.com Nice site Raul, I share the comments from Chris on problems with readability. Other than that, really like what you've done. Also, I am part of ExpressionEngine Pro Network, you should post this on their forums http://expressionengine.com/forums/viewforum/3/ as well. Regards, -- Cem Meric Managing Director | Webunder http://webunder.com.au http://twitter.com/webunder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] new site review
Hi, Raul: Nice looking website. Top grey text could in fact use more contrast. I also think that it is a shame that the text in the menu was converted for such small images. There was no need for it as the font used is pretty common and you lost there a lot of usability and accessibility, as users are not able to resize it. Cheers, Roberto *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
