Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder how many folks don't specify the http: part? It sounds like there are no drawbacks. Not quite: http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2010/02/10/5a-missing-schema-double-download/ -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Russ Weakley
Not quite: http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2010/02/10/5a-missing-schema-double-download/ Yikes! It all seemed so easy... suspiciously easy! :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

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2010-11-10 Thread Andy Dempster
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Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 10 November 2010 19:22, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Not quite: http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2010/02/10/5a-missing-schema-double-download/ Yikes! It all seemed so easy... suspiciously easy! :) That last post from a Microsoft guy was interesting though. He says

[WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Eric Taylor
Hi all - this is my first time sending to the list, but was looking for feedback on marking up forms in HTML5. Granted the spec is still a work in progress, but I was wondering if there was any current conversation about this multiple techniques of marking up forms via HTML5. As stated, the

Re: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 10/11/2010 17:08, Eric Taylor wrote: From my experience, the best practice, currently, is using Description lists; however, my concern with this method is the lack of semantic grouping when using this set of elements. Another method I have used is using an Unordered list to group each field

Re: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Eric Taylor
Understandable; however, with the change in HTML5 from Definition Lists to Description lists, would it not be more semantically valuable to mark forms up using dt and dd, for labels and inputs, providing the document with a more solid structure? As stated, my concern with this is the lack of

Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Micky Hulse
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Yikes! It all seemed so easy... suspiciously easy!  :) Haha! Too true! Back to the drawing board I guess. :D Dang, I am still undecided about weather or not I should adopt this technique! On one hand, the no-http site

RE: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Steve Green
I'm with Patrick on this one. The form, fieldset and label elements provide all the semantic structure you need. Anything else is noise. Steve Green Test Partners Ltd -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Eric Taylor

Re: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Joseph Taylor
Eric, There are a ton of ways to do this. At the moment I stick with one of two formulas: fieldset legendMy Legend/legend div label for=My FieldMy Label/label input type=text name=My Field /div /fieldset Or if its a bunch of checkboxes or something: fieldset legendMy Legend/legend div label

RE: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Kepler Gelotte
There are a ton of ways to do this. At the moment I stick with one of two formulas: fieldset legendMy Legend/legend div label for=My FieldMy Label/label input type=text name=My Field /div /fieldset I believe the “for” attribute should reference the “id” attribute

RE: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Understandable; however, with the change in HTML5 from Definition Lists to Description lists, would it not be more semantically valuable to mark forms up using dt and dd, for labels and inputs, providing the document with a more solid structure? As stated, my concern with this is the lack of

Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 10/11/2010 18:38, Micky Hulse wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Russ Weakleyr...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Yikes! It all seemed so easy... suspiciously easy! :) Haha! Too true! Back to the drawing board I guess. :D It really just depends on what you're trying to do though. The

Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Micky Hulse
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: It really just depends on what you're trying to do though. The bug apparently only affects stylesheets, and the whole reason I'm assuming you'd ...snip... another domain using the same protocol as the one you're

Re: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Chris Price
On 10 November 2010 18:52, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think lists should be used for this (there might be a case for a OL in case of dependant selects, but that would be a stretch). In the case of DL, I'd say that the relationship between DTs and DDs is no

Re: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Joseph Taylor
IE8 and earlier Joseph R. B. Taylor /Web Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com On 11/10/10 3:45 PM, Kevin Rapley wrote: I would be

Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Andrew Harris
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: It really just depends on what you're trying to do though. Precisely, and the IE hit certainly pales into insignificance compared to the benefits for us. We run a lot of sites, an awful lot of pages, and an awful lot

Re: [WSG] mixing media queries?

2010-11-10 Thread tee
Thank you very much!! This one works (combination of portriat/landscape fails also). @media only screen and (max-width: 480px), only screen and (min-device-width : 768px) and (max-device-width : 1024px) Maybe it's obvious to others however it was not for me and I can now see where my

[WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread cat soul
Any thoughts on which we ought to be using, and what information ought to be up at top of an HTML page, along with !DOCTYPE, etc? Thank you, cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

RE: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Any thoughts on which we ought to be using, and what information ought to be up at top of an HTML page, along with !DOCTYPE, etc? I'd go with !DOCTYPE html with nothing above that -- Regards, Thierry www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz

Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread David Dorward
On 10 Nov 2010, at 22:34, cat soul wrote: Any thoughts on which we ought to be using HTML, since it works in IE 9 without having to pretend it is HTML. 4.01, since it is a stable recommendation with mature QA tools (unless you have a need for features added in HTML5 and are willing to life

RE: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread Ted Drake
Thierry's right. It's time to start making those baby steps into HTML5. But you'll also need to add your charset and lang definition !doctype html html lang=en head meta charset=UTF-8 ... ted -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread Mathew Robertson
Here is a reasonably good example: http://www.texaswebdevelopers.com/blog/template_permalink.asp?id=136 http://www.texaswebdevelopers.com/blog/template_permalink.asp?id=136In particular, the 'dir' and 'lang' attributes - most people just assume that english is the only language... regards,

Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, cat soul wrote: Any thoughts on which we ought to be using, and what information ought to be up at top of an HTML page, along with !DOCTYPE, etc? The first line should be a doctype. I recommend either 4.01 strict or HTML5. !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD

Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:34 PM, cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org wrote: Any thoughts on which we ought to be using, To cut a _long_ story very short, if you have to ask this question, use HTML. See also: http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml

Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread cat soul
On Nov 10, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Ted Drake wrote: Thierry's right. It's time to start making those baby steps into HTML5. But you'll also need to add your charset and lang definition !doctype html html lang=en head meta charset=UTF-8 Great! Most everyone else is saying HTML5 is 10

RE: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread Ted Drake
Benjamin always has a way of cutting through the fog and giving succent advice. Ted -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:26 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

2010-11-10 Thread David Storey
On 11 Nov 2010, at 00:17, Mathew Robertson wrote: Here is a reasonably good example: http://www.texaswebdevelopers.com/blog/template_permalink.asp?id=136 In particular, the 'dir' and 'lang' attributes - most people just assume that english is the only language… dir isn’t needed unless

[WSG] all media queries in one style sheet Vs individually served

2010-11-10 Thread tee
I fully understand the need to reducing extra HTTP requests, however as the main style sheet gets fatter and fatter with different media queries stuff in it I am starting to doubt the benefit of reducing HTTP requests in this manner. Say, in the main style sheet I serve @media print @media

Re: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Kevin Rapley ke...@digikev.co.uk wrote: I would be interested to gather your thoughts around this solution, using progress tags to mark progress through the form. A possible problem with this is that there is no guarantee that the user has completed earlier