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From: "Stevio"
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:45:33 +0100
Subject: Modal forms - what to call them?

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I
give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they were
on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add
the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.

However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?

It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.

However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
box'. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Stephen


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From: "Nixon David"
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:53:41 +0200
Subject: RE: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

I usually go with business activity - business function with my modal
forms (SharePoint)
e.g. Records - Declare a new record

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Stevio
Sent: 20 July 2011 16:46
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
I give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they
were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once
they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.

However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?

It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.

However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
box'. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Stephen



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From: Hassan Schroeder
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:18:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give 
them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form 
which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the 
current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated 
using AJAX.
However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. 
Any thoughts?

Just curious -- why offer a choice?

Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
if not?

What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
pick one unhesitatingly? Or think "eh? what?"  :-)

Just askin' ...



I agree that, from a usability point of view, having only one choice- 
one path- offers the best experience. It just sounds more efficient. So, 
yes, the modal form (no name) when JS is turned on, and the HTML form 
(again, no name) for when JS is off. To the user there is only one form.



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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

[Jason Grant]

Hi Stephen,

No it wouldn't be nice if Facebook offered a choice. It would be stupid and
annoying, hence they don't do it and hence noone else does that anywhere
online and hence Hassan is suggesting the same thing I am suggesting.

Usually anything that opens in a modal window may be denoted with a little
icon, but there isn't really a need for that these days as modal windows are
a perfectly fine aspect of Web2.0. Just use Google+ and knock yourself out
for 1000s of examples to support that statement.

Hope this helps. If you want a more in-depth conversation and advice from
me, send me a direct mail to avoid pissing off the mailing list.

Cheers,

Jason

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Stevio  wrote:

> **
> Hi Jason, I was just using that as an example, that users may prefer one
> way over the other, and so I wish to offer them a choice. It would be nice
> if Facebook offered the choice!
>
> See my original email - it needs a name because the word modal is not one
> that I think users would be familiar with. I need something to differentiate
> between opening the form in a separate page and in a modal form, preferably
> something short and to the point.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jason Grant 
> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?
>
> Stephen,
>
> I think we are talking about different context with regards to Facebook
> example.
>
> You don't really get side by side options on Facebook to open in separate
> page or open in modal window.
>
> Why does this thing need to have a 'name' anyway?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Stevio  wrote:
>
>> User choice basically. They may prefer to see more of a form in its own
>> page, or they may prefer to use a modal form to add the record.
>>
>> If JavaScript is disabled, the system still works fine with the non-modal
>> form option.
>>
>> Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while back
>> they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you click F5 to
>> refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of the image in it's
>> own page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other times I persist with
>> their viewing box.
>>
>> As for a user-friendly name for the modal link, so far I've come up with
>> "coolbox", "float", or using an icon with an arrow.
>>
>> Any better suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Hassan Schroeder" <
>> has...@webtuitive.com>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:
>>>
 I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
 I give them two options:
 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
 form which allows them
 to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists
 the current records).
 This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is
 updated using AJAX.

>>>
>>> However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
 box'. Any thoughts?

>>>
>>> Just curious -- why offer a choice?
>>>
>>> Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
>>> if not?
>>>
>>> What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
>>> to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?
>>>
>>> Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
>>> pick one unhesitatingly? Or think "eh? what?"  :-)
>>>
>>> Just askin' ...
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

[Stevio]

Hi Jason, I was just using that as an example, that users may prefer one way 
over the other, and so I wish to offer them a choice. It would be nice if 
Facebook offered the choice!

See my original email - it needs a name because the word modal is not one that 
I think users would be familiar with. I need something to differentiate between 
opening the form in a separate page and in a modal form, preferably something 
short and to the point.

Thanks,
Stephen
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jason Grant 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?


  Stephen,

  I think we are talking about different context with regards to Facebook 
example. 


  You don't really get side by side options on Facebook to open in separate 
page or open in modal window. 

  Why does this thing need to have a 'name' anyway? 


  Cheers,

  Jason 


  On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Stevio  wrote:

User choice basically. They may prefer to see more of a form in its own 
page, or they may prefer to use a modal form to add the record.

If JavaScript is disabled, the system still works fine with the non-modal 
form option.

Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while back 
they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you click F5 to 
refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of the image in it's own 
page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other times I persist with their 
viewing box.

As for a user-friendly name for the modal link, so far I've come up with 
"coolbox", "float", or using an icon with an arrow.

Any better suggestions?

Thanks,
Stephen


- Original Message - From: "Hassan Schroeder" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?




  On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a 
record, I give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing 
the form which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page 
lists the current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is 
updated using AJAX.



However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog 
box'. Any thoughts?


  Just curious -- why offer a choice?

  Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
  if not?

  What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
  to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

  Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
  pick one unhesitatingly? Or think "eh? what?"  :-)

  Just askin' ... 





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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

[Jason Grant]

Stephen,

I think we are talking about different context with regards to Facebook
example.

You don't really get side by side options on Facebook to open in separate
page or open in modal window.

Why does this thing need to have a 'name' anyway?

Cheers,

Jason

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Stevio  wrote:

> User choice basically. They may prefer to see more of a form in its own
> page, or they may prefer to use a modal form to add the record.
>
> If JavaScript is disabled, the system still works fine with the non-modal
> form option.
>
> Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while back
> they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you click F5 to
> refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of the image in it's
> own page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other times I persist with
> their viewing box.
>
> As for a user-friendly name for the modal link, so far I've come up with
> "coolbox", "float", or using an icon with an arrow.
>
> Any better suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Hassan Schroeder" <
> has...@webtuitive.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?
>
>
>
>  On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:
>>
>>> I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
>>> I give them two options:
>>> 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
>>> 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
>>> form which allows them
>>> to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists
>>> the current records).
>>> This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is
>>> updated using AJAX.
>>>
>>
>>  However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
>>> box'. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> Just curious -- why offer a choice?
>>
>> Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
>> if not?
>>
>> What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
>> to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?
>>
>> Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
>> pick one unhesitatingly? Or think "eh? what?"  :-)
>>
>> Just askin' ...
>>
>
>
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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

[Stevio]

User choice basically. They may prefer to see more of a form in its own 
page, or they may prefer to use a modal form to add the record.


If JavaScript is disabled, the system still works fine with the non-modal 
form option.


Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while back 
they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you click F5 to 
refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of the image in it's 
own page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other times I persist with 
their viewing box.


As for a user-friendly name for the modal link, so far I've come up with 
"coolbox", "float", or using an icon with an arrow.


Any better suggestions?

Thanks,
Stephen


- Original Message - 
From: "Hassan Schroeder" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?



On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:
I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, 
I give them two options:

1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the 
form which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists 
the current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is 
updated using AJAX.


However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog 
box'. Any thoughts?


Just curious -- why offer a choice?

Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
if not?

What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
pick one unhesitatingly? Or think "eh? what?"  :-)

Just askin' ... 




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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

[Jason Grant]

+1 to Hassan's comment.
There is no point in having two options.
Just have one chunky button called 'Add record' which takes user to modal
form with JS on and separate page with JS off.
As long as this is coded in progressive enhancement manner everything should
be fine.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote:

> On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:
>
>> I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I
>> give them two options:
>> 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
>> 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
>> form which allows them
>> to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists
>> the current records).
>> This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated
>> using AJAX.
>>
>
>  However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
>> box'. Any thoughts?
>>
>
> Just curious -- why offer a choice?
>
> Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
> if not?
>
> What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
> to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?
>
> Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
> pick one unhesitatingly? Or think "eh? what?"  :-)
>
> Just askin' ...
>
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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

[Hassan Schroeder]

On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give 
them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form 
which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the 
current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated 
using AJAX.



However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. 
Any thoughts?


Just curious -- why offer a choice?

Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
if not?

What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
pick one unhesitatingly? Or think "eh? what?"  :-)

Just askin' ...

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RE: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

[Nixon David]

I usually go with business activity - business function with my modal
forms (SharePoint)
e.g. Records - Declare a new record

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Stevio
Sent: 20 July 2011 16:46
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
I give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they
were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once
they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.

However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?

It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.

However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
box'. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Stephen 



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[WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

[Stevio]

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I 
give them two options:

1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the 
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they were 
on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add 
the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.


However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal 
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?


It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on 
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.


However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog 
box'. Any thoughts?


Thanks,
Stephen 




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