Re: [WSG] Traitor unmasked!

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
I mean 'comments.' P :) On 07/02/2004, at 4:57 PM, Universal Head wrote: Thankyou for the helpful and interesting comment (love the Frodo allusion Ryan) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] Traitor unmasked!

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
Thankyou for the helpful and interesting comment (love the Frodo allusion Ryan) Well I certainly did jump into the deep end, though I have been learning for some months now, have done a day course with John Allsop, and pretty much feel like I know what I'm doing. The problem is I have to massa

Re: [WSG] Traitor unmasked!

2004-02-06 Thread Ryan Christie
Peter... it's like watching Frodo break down with that ring in his pocket my friend. `Twould be so easy to flop that sucker on and satisfy your inner desires, but you got to fight it. Just before you were up in a tiff about the frustrations, and today you turned over. You need to take this week

Re: [WSG] Traitor unmasked!

2004-02-06 Thread russ weakley
I second Mark's comments, Peter. This list isn't about "full CSS or nothing" - even though our enthusiasm for full CSS may give this impression. :) While we are trying to encourage people towards full CSS in the long term, the main aim is to encourage everyone to move towards building sites with w

Re: [WSG] Traitor unmasked!

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
Thanks mate ... perhaps when about 32 years have passed and I can face this particular layout again I'll give it another shot! ;) P On 07/02/2004, at 2:12 PM, Mark Stanton wrote: Peter I honestly think this is an entirely appropriate & practical approach in the current situation. Its certainly

RE: [WSG] Traitor unmasked!

2004-02-06 Thread Mark Stanton
Peter I honestly think this is an entirely appropriate & practical approach in the current situation. Its certainly much better than giving up on standards all together... If something is just taking too long and you know you can fall back on tables to solve the problem in minutes - do it. Howev

[WSG] Traitor unmasked!

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
I feel like I'm going to be hunted down by the Inquisition but I just gave up, added two simple two column tables to my code, and got the whole thing working within half an hour. I'm still going to be using CSS when I can, but when it comes to work it's Transitional all the way for the moment. P

Re: [WSG] A float thing I don't understand

2004-02-06 Thread russ weakley
Peter, If I understand you correctly, a quick test shows that all standards compliant browsers except for MacIE5.2 will flow around and under the floated item: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=43373 This can be fixed by removing the div around the content - is it needed? Russ >

[WSG] A float thing I don't understand

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
There's a thing I don't understand about floats which perhaps someone can enlighten me on: I have a div container with a background colour of red. Inside it is a content div with a bgcolour of green and a subnav div with a bgcolour of blue. The subnav div is set to float to the right of the con

[WSG] What not to do with images...

2004-02-06 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Looking for drivers, just chanced across the Epson site.. http://www.epson.com/ Browsing with images off is tough but at least they have alt tags. Replacing pixelised text with images of pixelised text? I'd hate to be updating that site on the fly (or maybe they have GD or similar runnin

Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread Martin Chapman
This is an interesting proposition. Always thought using Transitional would ease any pain. Obviously, now that I've personally developed strength in CSS/XHTML makes sense not to hang on to Transitional. I'm gonna test this out for next few weeks, thanks! (ooh, except on this one job that's comi

RE: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread LC 55
Have to admit, it is only XHTML Strict I ever use and, from a personal perspective i wouldn't waste my time on Transitional doctypes. I am also a one man designer, so I can understand the amount of head scratching going on among us all at times, but as David McD stated: "Things come together wit

RE: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread David McDonald
Title: Message Peter,   What I have found, is that by using an XHTML Strict doctype rather than a XHTMLTransitional doctype, things seem to come together with a lot more consistency across the different browsers.   Hope this helps... Regards,David McDonaldWeb Designerhttp://www.davidmcdonald

Don't worry, be happy Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread James Ellis
Hi Peter I think there are two things going on here *(and this happens to everyone) Separating the presentation from the content is a new thing. Everyone has trouble with it to start off, as is true for most technologies - I'm a bit perplexed by XSLT and XPath at the moment but I'm gettin

RE: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread Michael Kear
Actually I think it's easy to get too anal about it all. The vast majority of users (and by that I do mean the VAST majority) for most site are using only a few browsers.For example, I have been contracting for one of Australia's biggest subscription sites, and the user profile is a group o

Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
Thanks Hugh, I'd forgotten to go through this again. P On 06/02/2004, at 6:55 PM, Hugh Todd wrote: Pete, Tell me, if a divs within a div are floated, they should float only WITHIN that div shouldn't they? Or does a float affect the whole page even if it's nested in a separate div? Russ' Floatut

Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
OK folks, here's my take this afternoon, I'll be interested in your opinions. I'm a one-man design company, have been for almost ten years. I've been making sites and learning the latest tools (not only for the web, but for 3D, print and motion graphics) all that time. So I've course I've embr

RE: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread James Silva
> But the- why the - but WHYYY Like I said... No idea. One for the ages I guess. > This doesn't make sense ... This worked fine on another site. Makes perfect sense (to me atleast). As the footer is only going to "clear" the last *non-floated* element in innerMid. Floated elements, by defa

Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread Hugh Todd
Pete, Tell me, if a divs within a div are floated, they should float only WITHIN that div shouldn't they? Or does a float affect the whole page even if it's nested in a separate div? Russ' Floatutorial: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/introduction.htm -Hugh (HTH)

Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
Tell me, if a divs within a div are floated, they should float only WITHIN that div shouldn't they? Or does a float affect the whole page even if it's nested in a separate div? Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-06 Thread Universal Head
Peter, don't give up just yet mate. I keep feeling like the fly with a man's body at the end of The Fly - "heeelp m. heeelp meee." Adding: #innermid { margin-bottom : 1px; } But the- why the - but WHYYY Seems to fix your footer problem (at least in Firebird). NFI why though. P