[WSG] OT - why i am in digest mode?
Why I am in digest mode? How I reverse back to normal mode? Regards, Razvan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Australian accessiblitly and the law?
I know 5pm on friday is not a great time to ask this kind of question but I have just been reading some documention (below) which seems to suggest (could be my friday mind reading it wrong) that pretty much /all/ Australian websites are covered by the DDA? Is this the case? Thanks for your thoughts. James Accessibility http://www.humanrights.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html 2.2 Equal Access is Required by Law The provision of information and online services through the Worldwide Web is a service covered by the DDA. Equal access for people with a disability in this area is required by the DDA where it can reasonably be provided. This requirement applies to any individual or organisation developing a Worldwide Web page in Australia, or placing or maintaining a Web page on an Australian server. This includes pages developed or maintained for purposes relating to employment; education; provision of services including professional services, banking, insurance or financial services, entertainment or recreation, telecommunications services, public transport services, or government services; sale or rental of real estate; sport; activities of voluntary associations; or administration of Commonwealth laws or programs. All these are areas specifically covered by the DDA. In addition to these specific areas, provision of any other information or other goods, services or facilities through the Internet is in itself a service, and as such, discrimination in the provision of this service is covered by the DDA. The DDA applies to services whether provided for payment or not. -- James Cowperthwaite [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Australian accessiblitly and the law?
Thats a very interesting document you've found James. The question is what powers does HREOC have to enforce this Advisory note ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav James Cowperthwaite wrote: I know 5pm on friday is not a great time to ask this kind of question but I have just been reading some documention (below) which seems to suggest (could be my friday mind reading it wrong) that pretty much /all/ Australian websites are covered by the DDA? Is this the case? Thanks for your thoughts. James Accessibility http://www.humanrights.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html 2.2 Equal Access is Required by Law The provision of information and online services through the Worldwide Web is a service covered by the DDA. Equal access for people with a disability in this area is required by the DDA where it can reasonably be provided. This requirement applies to any individual or organisation developing a Worldwide Web page in Australia, or placing or maintaining a Web page on an Australian server. This includes pages developed or maintained for purposes relating to employment; education; provision of services including professional services, banking, insurance or financial services, entertainment or recreation, telecommunications services, public transport services, or government services; sale or rental of real estate; sport; activities of voluntary associations; or administration of Commonwealth laws or programs. All these are areas specifically covered by the DDA. In addition to these specific areas, provision of any other information or other goods, services or facilities through the Internet is in itself a service, and as such, discrimination in the provision of this service is covered by the DDA. The DDA applies to services whether provided for payment or not. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Australian accessiblitly and the law?
On 25 Jun 2004 17:07:21 +1000, James Cowperthwaite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know 5pm on friday is not a great time to ask this kind of question but I have just been reading some documention (below) which seems to suggest (could be my friday mind reading it wrong) that pretty much /all/ Australian websites are covered by the DDA? The way I'm reading it, the only ones who might get away with not being covered is small business... an online store selling rubber widgets probably wouldn't be covered under provision of services including professional services, banking, insurance or financial services or any of the other categories mentioned. Of course, I'm not a lawyer! -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] How to insert QuickTime on website and validate like XHTML?
Hi, In one of websites which I am doing I must put virtual visits done in QuickTime. If I use EMBED to see the visits in not-IE navigators, website will not validated like XHTML. Some solution? I already know the solutions for the Flash like Flash Satay, but I don't know how apply it to a QuickTime. Thanks, McCain. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans
Chris Blown wrote: Thats _really_ bad Browser checking is a thing of the past and should be gladly forgotten. Something that we can all thank the web standards project for. Is there a valid reason to do browser checking? I can't think of one... There are plenty of reasons to do so server side, log files being the most common. I use sniffing to determine whether I should serve up XHTML 1.1 or HTML 4.01. Even client side, the use of @-rules to hide CSS from certain browsers, and for that matter, all CSS hacks, are a form of browser checking. Also, many mobile phones use the wrong style sheet (screen instead of handheld). Browser sniffing is a way around that. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Australian accessiblitly and the law?
Hello All But the sad thing is that HREOC et al don't really have the time to enforce compliance. The onus is really on the consumer to make a case to enforce / persuade accessibility conformance through the courts. The Commonwealth and Police games are coming up! Regards Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Iza Bartosiewicz Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 6:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Australian accessiblitly and the law? Hi James, That's my understanding, although one can argue that where it can reasonably be provided is open to interpretation. Blind Citizens Australia provides a complaint form (http://www.bca.org.au/webacc.htm). I suspect there have been complaints made already which were settled out of court. However, it is just a matter of time before another Bruce Maguire appears, determined to go all the way. If you feel like more Friday reading, go to: Olympic Failure: A Case for Making the Web Accessible http://www.tomw.net.au/2000/bat.html and About Accessibility http://www.monash.edu.au/groups/accessibility/accessibility.html Have a good weekend Iza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/06/04 17:07 I know 5pm on friday is not a great time to ask this kind of question but I have just been reading some documention (below) which seems to suggest (could be my friday mind reading it wrong) that pretty much /all/ Australian websites are covered by the DDA? Is this the case? Thanks for your thoughts. James Accessibility * http://www.humanrights.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html 2.2 Equal Access is Required by Law The provision of information and online services through the Worldwide Web is a service covered by the DDA. Equal access for people with a disability in this area is required by the DDA where it can reasonably be provided. This requirement applies to any individual or organisation developing a Worldwide Web page in Australia, or placing or maintaining a Web page on an Australian server. This includes pages developed or maintained for purposes relating to employment; education; provision of services including professional services, banking, insurance or financial services, entertainment or recreation, telecommunications services, public transport services, or government services; sale or rental of real estate; sport; activities of voluntary associations; or administration of Commonwealth laws or programs. All these are areas specifically covered by the DDA. In addition to these specific areas, provision of any other information or other goods, services or facilities through the Internet is in itself a service, and as such, discrimination in the provision of this service is covered by the DDA. The DDA applies to services whether provided for payment or not. -- James Cowperthwaite [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Are there any standards for WAP?
I have to build the WAP site, but I know almost nothing about WAP and WML. Do you know any resources, tutorials, manuals, technical specifications etc about WAP, especially about WAP support in Siemens mobiles? Try this to start: *The End-All Guide to Small-Screen Web-Dev *http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/04/12/index4a.html joe * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Australian accessiblitly and the law?
suggest (could be my friday mind reading it wrong) that pretty much /all/ Australian websites are covered by the DDA? Not pretty much, but ALL Australian web pages. The Disability Discrimination Act is really quite clear on this. Back in mid-June last year, Roger Hudson's accessibility talk explained how the DDA affected us as web developers. The Act states everybody, regardless of impairment, should have the same rights to information. Simply making information publicly available on the web is regarded as offering a service, and is covered by the DDA. Most countries have similar laws. Roger's presentation is available for download at http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource4.cfm Roger will be discussing accessibility at Web Essentials, Sep 30 - Oct 1 http://we04.com/presenters.cfm#hudson And finally, Roger will cover Does your website expose you to the risk of legal action? at the free Web Essentials briefing in Sydney, Jul 1. http://we04.com/briefing.cfm -ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Are there any standards for WAP?
WML is dead. XHTML (Basic or MP) is the future and the format pushed in WAP 2. My personal site at http://pukupi.com has mobile Web gear that may be able to help. As Siemens mobiles use Openwave's browser, you should also check out the Openwave Developer Network at http://developer.openwave.com/dvl/ Kyle On 2004 Jun 25, , at 17:01, Peter A. Shevtsov wrote: Hi List! I have to build the WAP site, but I know almost nothing about WAP and WML. Do you know any resources, tutorials, manuals, technical specifications etc about WAP, especially about WAP support in Siemens mobiles? Thanks! Peter A. Shevtsov -- mobile web gear | pukupi.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans
Once user agent if...else or switch statements enter your code, you begin the walk down the slippery slope to code obsolescence, especially with mobiles. Kyle On 2004 Jun 25, , at 17:35, Mordechai Peller wrote: There are plenty of reasons to do so server side, log files being the most common. I use sniffing to determine whether I should serve up XHTML 1.1 or HTML 4.01. Even client side, the use of @-rules to hide CSS from certain browsers, and for that matter, all CSS hacks, are a form of browser checking. Also, many mobile phones use the wrong style sheet (screen instead of handheld). Browser sniffing is a way around that. -- mobile web gear | pukupi.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site
John, I do like your idea of using the program method of working out the padding for the top. That's an excellent idea. I'm in the process of making my own ColdFusion picture gallery ready for sharing with others, and this trick of yours will go well with it. Very elegant answer I think! And the finished page looks terrific too. Well done. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Penlington Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 2:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site Hi all again! RE: My problem with floated divs in gallery site - and trying to get those thumbnail images to align at the bottom. I've solved the problem - in two ways - and thanks for those suggestions. You'll find the result at: http://www.bluemountainsgardener.info/fgtest/max_miller_solved.asp It shows both solutions - the first using divs and the second using a CSS table. Both are on the same page with CSS embedded. The results look exactly the same in IE6, Mozilla 1.5 and Opera 7.23 I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Apple Mac browsers !! For the div version, I used program code (ASP) to subtract each thumbnail's height from 100 (the maximum height of any thumbnail) and made that the value for *padding-top* as an inline style for the img tag. As each thumbnail is a live link to a bigger image on a different page, I ended up having to add a*border='0'* attribute to the image tag to get rid of the link-induced border around the image plus the padding. This was sloppy coding, I know, but it was so late at night!! [snip] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Next WSG Melbourne Meeting Monday June 28
Just a reminder that the next WSG Melbourne Meeting is this Monday June 28. Another meeting already... time flies when you're busy. Unfortunately I will be out of town next Mon and unable to attend, but I do promise to be in town for the next meeting. woric * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site
John, All you really need to consider on the Mac is Safari (which displays pretty much identically to the Mozilla browsers in almost all cases) and IE Mac, which has its little share of idiosyncratic MS bugs. As far as the others are concerned (the Mozilla browsers and Opera) they share the same codebase on Mac and PC, so no need generally to test on both platforms. (This does not take into account odd legacy bugs in various previous incarnations of those browsers, on both platforms.) Congrats on working out a solution to your problem! And to set your mind at rest, the page displays identically on Safari (1.2) and IE 5.2.3 Mac. -Hugh Todd The results look exactly the same in IE6, Mozilla 1.5 and Opera 7.23 I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Apple Mac browsers !! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans
Kyle Barrow wrote: Once user agent if...else or switch statements enter your code, you begin the walk down the slippery slope to code obsolescence, especially with mobiles. True, but I never suggested indiscriminate usage. While in most cases it over used, and therefor best to avoid, judicious use can both be proper and beneficial. In the case of mobiles, I would recommend, where a suspect browser is involved, send the same CSS via both handheld and screen types. At least that way, if they fix their browser, it still works. If a new browser comes along (which isn't built broken), you're still safe. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans
Hi, Thanks, as this topic caused a bit of unrest last evening. After looking in terms of a gathering in which diverse taste need accommodation, serving one vegetarian entree as an alternative is just courteous. Browser sniffing, can be used in such a manner to allow a seamless experience for non-plug in users, or wireless. Serving (1) standards based alternative, not a buffet of little hacks to please every UA. So I look forward to adding this technique to my tool kit, as with any tool, to be called upon only when needed. Complexity is good, complicated is bad. Paolo Soleri On Friday, June 25, 2004, at 01:35 AM, Mordechai Peller wrote: Chris Blown wrote: Thats _really_ bad Browser checking is a thing of the past and should be gladly forgotten. Something that we can all thank the web standards project for. Is there a valid reason to do browser checking? I can't think of one... There are plenty of reasons to do so server side, log files being the most common. I use sniffing to determine whether I should serve up XHTML 1.1 or HTML 4.01. Even client side, the use of @-rules to hide CSS from certain browsers, and for that matter, all CSS hacks, are a form of browser checking. Also, many mobile phones use the wrong style sheet (screen instead of handheld). Browser sniffing is a way around that. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] How to insert QuickTime on website and validate like XHTML?
You might find it easier to adapt Ian Hickson's method of inserting Flash to work with Quicktime: http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/flash/001.html Simon Jessey -- mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://jessey.net/blog/ work: http://keystonewebsites.com/ In one of websites which I am doing I must put virtual visits done in QuickTime. If I use EMBED to see the visits in not-IE navigators, website will not validated like XHTML. Some solution? I already know the solutions for the Flash like Flash Satay, but I don't know how apply it to a QuickTime. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] How to insert QuickTime on website and validate like XHTML?
Try the Standards Compliant method to add Quicktime movies to pages http://realdev1.realise.com/rossa/rendertest/quicktime.html and be sure to check out the browser tests chart: http://realdev1.realise.com/rossa/rendertest/quicktime.html#update cheers dez In one of websites which I am doing I must put virtual visits done in QuickTime. If I use EMBED to see the visits in not-IE navigators, website will not validated like XHTML. Some solution? I already know the solutions for the Flash like Flash Satay, but I don't know how apply it to a QuickTime. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Are there any standards for WAP?
http://www.w3schools.com/ On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:32:24 +0900, Kyle Barrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WML is dead. XHTML (Basic or MP) is the future and the format pushed in WAP 2. My personal site at http://pukupi.com has mobile Web gear that may be able to help. As Siemens mobiles use Openwave's browser, you should also check out the Openwave Developer Network at http://developer.openwave.com/dvl/ Kyle On 2004 Jun 25, , at 17:01, Peter A. Shevtsov wrote: Hi List! I have to build the WAP site, but I know almost nothing about WAP and WML. Do you know any resources, tutorials, manuals, technical specifications etc about WAP, especially about WAP support in Siemens mobiles? Thanks! Peter A. Shevtsov -- mobile web gear | pukupi.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- http://www.jadmadi.net/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] left column stretch to bottom
Hello, Does anyone know how I can get the left-hand naviagtion coloumn on this page to stretch to the bottom (so the black meets the black footer)? http://www.nswrecon.com/test3/ regards, cameron. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] left column stretch to bottom
Set the page background to the black image repeated vertically, and use the right hand content section with the image you currently have as the background. Cameron Muir wrote: Hello, Does anyone know how I can get the left-hand naviagtion coloumn on this page to stretch to the bottom (so the black meets the black footer)? http://www.nswrecon.com/test3/ regards, cameron. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Positioning issues
Hi all I am putting together a Banner for a site, and attempting to do it using CSS pos. I had a hybrid table/css layout working nicely, but decided to try and do it using a more pure methodology (that was a few hours ago now...lol) http://www.tweek.com.au/pte/ I have been doing my dev in Firefox 0.9 and testing also in IE 6. I havent really begun testing in other browsers as yet. But, I am already having an issue with IE6's psotioning of the navbar. Firefox deals with it nicely, IE does something kinda dumb Can anyone assist with this? Thanks Ray * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Positioning issues
Hi all I am putting together a Banner for a site, and attempting to do it using CSS pos. I had a hybrid table/css layout working nicely, but decided to try and do it using a more pure methodology (that was a few hours ago now...lol) http://www.tweek.com.au/pte/ I have been doing my dev in Firefox 0.9 and testing also in IE 6. I havent really begun testing in other browsers as yet. But, I am already having an issue with IE6's psotioning of the navbar. Firefox deals with it nicely, IE does something kinda dumb Can anyone assist with this? Thanks Ray ---BeginMessage--- Hi all I am putting together a Banner for a site, and attempting to do it using CSS pos. I had a hybrid table/css layout working nicely, but decided to try and do it using a more pure methodology (that was a few hours ago now...lol) http://www.tweek.com.au/pte/ I have been doing my dev in Firefox 0.9 and testing also in IE 6. I havent really begun testing in other browsers as yet. But, I am already having an issue with IE6's psotioning of the navbar. Firefox deals with it nicely, IE does something kinda dumb Can anyone assist with this? Thanks Ray ---End Message---
