[WSG] list item markers disappear behind floated image

2004-08-16 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: list item markers disappear behind floated image Hi, I have a problem with images that are floated left and then when a list wraps around that image the list bullet points themselves dont get pushed out by the floated image and instead remain behind (or on top of) the image. to help exp

RE: [WSG] Can someone reproduce these issues for me please?

2004-08-16 Thread Seona Bellamy
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman > > > * On pages like About Us and Contact Details, the centre banner > > apparently > > stays stuck at the top of the screen (i.e., the content of the page > > disappears under it as you sc

Re: [WSG] Can someone reproduce these issues for me please?

2004-08-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Aug 17, 2004, at 09:38 Australia/Sydney, Seona Bellamy wrote: I have a couple of issues with the site I'm working on. They have been reported by the client, and I'm having trouble reliably replicating any of them so I can't work out how to fix them. Can someone please take a look at

Re: [WSG] ultimate noob question.... is "table-less layout" meaning literally?

2004-08-16 Thread Leslie Riggs
"Table-less" just means tables aren't used for layout. When used to contain tabular data, that's not layout, that's containing data that SHOULD be in a table. JMHO. Leslie Riggs What about http://www.sitepoint.com ? That's as complicated a structure as any I've seen, and almost completely tab

RE: [WSG] Can someone reproduce these issues for me please?

2004-08-16 Thread Seona Bellamy
Hi Lachlan, Don't be sorry for not being able to replicate the problem. If nothing else, I can use this email as proof that I'm not simply being contrary and refusing to help them. :) I'll look into the caching issues and see if that makes a difference. Cheers, Seona. > -Original Message-

RE: [WSG] Techniques for Styling Columns in Tables?

2004-08-16 Thread Geoff Deering
Hi, Thanks for all your suggestions, and sorry for not seeing that entry a few days back. I did try using COLGROUP and COL, but I couldn't get it to work. Is this because it is poorly supported? Russ's example does the job great. I always try to find ways of doing such things without adding un

Re: [WSG] Can someone reproduce these issues for me please?

2004-08-16 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Seona Bellamy wrote: * On pages like About Us and Contact Details, the centre banner apparently stays stuck at the top of the screen (i.e., the content of the page disappears under it as you scroll, and it's always on screen). Does anyone else get this problem? I don't. More importantly, if anyone

Re: [WSG] Techniques for Styling Columns in Tables?

2004-08-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
we talked about colgroups just the other day, i think http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.4.1 Patrick Geoff Deering wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any reference for applying styles to columns in tables in a semantically correct way, without having to code class attr into each TD.

Re: [WSG] Techniques for Styling Columns in Tables?

2004-08-16 Thread russ - maxdesign
Geoff, This was sort-of answered a few days ago, but it depends on the degree of styling needed. Ideally you could use descendant selectors - depending on your specific need. With the use of correct table elements like th, thead, tbody, tfoot etc you can style individual slabs of tables to look di

Re: [WSG] Techniques for Styling Columns in Tables?

2004-08-16 Thread Justin French
I asked the same question about 3 days ago -- see "applying styles to the 3rd column of a table" Justin On 17/08/2004, at 10:24 AM, Geoff Deering wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any reference for applying styles to columns in tables in a semantically correct way, without having to code class attr in

[WSG] Techniques for Styling Columns in Tables?

2004-08-16 Thread Geoff Deering
Hi, Does anyone have any reference for applying styles to columns in tables in a semantically correct way, without having to code class attr into each TD.? Can it be done? Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud p

[WSG] Can someone reproduce these issues for me please?

2004-08-16 Thread Seona Bellamy
Hi guys, I have a couple of issues with the site I'm working on. They have been reported by the client, and I'm having trouble reliably replicating any of them so I can't work out how to fix them. Can someone please take a look at http://216.119.123.23/ and look for the following errors: * On pa

RE: [WSG] ultimate noob question.... is "table-less layout" meaning literally?

2004-08-16 Thread John Horner
What about http://www.sitepoint.com ? That's as complicated a structure as any I've seen, and almost completely table-less. That's a particularly good example, because it uses no tables to lay out the page, but right at the bottom where they've got a list of data, best displayed using rows and c

[WSG] Z-Index

2004-08-16 Thread Jay Hills
Hello,   While test viewing some future pages on an XDAII PDA, I saw the content text was being pushed away under a sidebar. This is probably due to my 'let's-use-margins-for-positioning' habit. Therefore I decided to start using z-index to push the main text to the 'front' when the layout i

RE: [WSG] Site critique w/url

2004-08-16 Thread Iain Gardiner
Hi Tricia, Which browser do you view it in? I see it moving to the right in Firefox, but that's simply because the content does not extend past the bottom of the browser pane on that page only. When the right hand scrollbar disappears all the content moves to take up the slack space. This doesn

Re: [WSG] Site critique

2004-08-16 Thread Leslie Riggs
Got the URL of your site? If the validator is telling you there's an issue with the code generated by Menu Machine, then I'd guess that Menu Machine does not generate standards compliant code? Leslie Tricia Fitzgerald wrote: Hello ~ I am new to css layout design and just recently completed a

[WSG] Site critique w/url

2004-08-16 Thread Tricia Fitzgerald
Sorry ~ my only excuse: It's Monday! The url: http://www.abetterpetdogtraining.com On Aug 16, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Tricia Fitzgerald wrote: Hello ~ I am new to css layout design and just recently completed a site. I used Menu Machine in the interest of saving time. I have an issue with the "Products

Re: [WSG] Site critique

2004-08-16 Thread Jeff D. Reid
- Original Message - From: "Tricia Fitzgerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: [WSG] Site critique > Hello ~ I am new to css layout design and just recently completed a > site. I used Menu Machine > in the interest of saving ti

Re: [WSG] Site critique

2004-08-16 Thread Alan Milnes
> Also, when validated I got 105 errors. The bulk of them had to do with > MM. > > Any suggestions appreciated. My first suggestion would be to post a URL :-) Alan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of

[WSG] Site critique

2004-08-16 Thread Tricia Fitzgerald
Hello ~ I am new to css layout design and just recently completed a site. I used Menu Machine in the interest of saving time. I have an issue with the "Products" header image moving slightly to the right when it's clicked on. Is it Menu Machine causing this? I have checked everything a dozen ti

RE: [WSG] Table-Free Design + Big John

2004-08-16 Thread Mike Foskett
Hi Gordon, http://www.northernopportunities.bc.ca A very nice design it is too. I would re-write the WebTrends code so the page validates to W3C guidelines though (CSS didn't validate either). Attention needs to be paid to a few accessibility issues too (alt tags, input labels and select menu)

Re: [WSG] Table-Free Design + Big John

2004-08-16 Thread Gordon Currie
Hi John and the rest of the group I started working with CSS about 4 months ago and have recently launched 2 sites using full CSS . http://www.northernopportunities.bc.ca http://www.spcrs.ca The reason I posted was that Big John worked with me on the Northern Opportunities site and it has done v

Re: [WSG] Form labels

2004-08-16 Thread Wasabi
Hi, My apologize to firefox, after looking at the examples illustrated in the replies, the fault is my own, I'll rework my form to my initial specifications following the suggested reading. Once again my apologize to firefox, It is an excellent browser. W On Monday, August 16, 2004, at 06:55 AM

RE: [WSG] Form labels

2004-08-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
Firefox never had any problems with labels in my experience. It sounds more like your problem is the javascript? (at least I'm assuming that's what you mean when you talk about populating the fields) Do you have a URL we can have a look at? Patrick H. Lauke > -Original Message- > From:

RE: [WSG] Form labels

2004-08-16 Thread Owen Gregory
C wrote: > Could some one point me to a specification on proper implementation of labels. Sorry to hear you're having problems. Firefox handles the element as well as any browser. Try Joe Clark's explanation: http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter12.html#h2-2085 Owen

Re: [WSG] Form labels

2004-08-16 Thread Cameron Adams
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/03/24/ --- Wasabi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > After completing a form with labels, as suggested in > a usability > guideline I noticed firefox choked on them. None of > the text fields > would populate until I removed the labels fro

[WSG] Form labels

2004-08-16 Thread Wasabi
Hi, After completing a form with labels, as suggested in a usability guideline I noticed firefox choked on them. None of the text fields would populate until I removed the labels from them. Could some one point me to a specification on proper implementation of labels. C

[WSG] Melbourne WSG Meeting August 23

2004-08-16 Thread afdesign
The next meeting of the Melbourne Web Standards Group will be Monday 23 August, 2004. Woric Faithfull will discuss XSLT, XML and content management, focussing on web standards... Plus we will have a special guest! John Allsopp makes a return appearance to give us a run down on Web Essentials 0

Re: [WSG] ultimate noob question.... is "table-less layout" meaning literally? i see it does.

2004-08-16 Thread dunk
At 21:24 16/08/2004 +1000, you wrote: http://www.csszengarden.com/ much inspiration here. thanks Neerav. It's exactly what i needed. and thanks to everyone elses comments. Feel a lot more confident about it now. Duncan ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] ultimate noob question.... is "table-less layout" meaning literally?

2004-08-16 Thread Hugh Todd
Duncan, You do need to get your head around this or you remain trapped in the old mindset, which mixes content and appearance. A table, unless it holds tabular data, has no semantic meaning. Especially if you are using nested components. You are including it in your HTML only for the purpose of

Re: [WSG] ultimate noob question.... is "table-less layout" meaning literally?

2004-08-16 Thread Simon Jessey
Hi, Duncan. All the sites I design are based on CSS-driven layouts; however, I still use tables for presenting tabulated data (naturally). Even the most hardcore CSS junkie will admit that there are some table-based layouts that cannot be replicated using just CSS. The usual way to get around this

RE: [WSG] ultimate noob question.... is "table-less layout" meaning literally?

2004-08-16 Thread Mike Foskett
What about http://www.sitepoint.com ? That's as complicated a structure as any I've seen, and almost completely table-less. mike foskett http://www.webSemantics.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 12:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: [WSG] ultimate noob question.... is "table-less layout" meaning literally?

2004-08-16 Thread Neerav
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[WSG] ultimate noob question.... is "table-less layout" meaning literally?

2004-08-16 Thread dnkyjunk
Hey guys, I've just subscribed to this list because i'm a web designer and after reading Jeffrey Zeldman's "Designing with web standards" I discovered the wonder of CSS and wanted to learn more and keep up to date. Thing I have trouble getting my head round is the term "table-less layout". I h

Re: [WSG] Table-Free Design

2004-08-16 Thread Tony Aslett
Hi John, You could also try out the css layout generator http://www.csscreator.com/version2/pagelayout.php Tony http://www.csscreator.com/ http://www.multiwebspace.com/ John Horner wrote: If I want to find solid building blocks for a table-free layout, where should I start? I mean, I know there

[WSG] Z-Index?

2004-08-16 Thread Ikonik.net
Hello,   While test viewing some future pages on an XDAII PDA, I saw the content text was being pushed away under a sidebar. This is probably due to my 'let's-use-margins-for-positioning' habit. Therefore I decided to start using z-index to push the main text to the 'front' when the layout is

[WSG] Re: You have subscribed to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-08-16 Thread ikon
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Re: [WSG] RE: Image replacement techniques for linked elements

2004-08-16 Thread Chris Blown
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 23:44, James Ellis wrote: > What I've done is probably not done often but it is worth considering. > Firefox ships with its minimum font size turned off. > I also use the very same setting. It can be a common adjustment for people who use XFree86 or X.org under unix ( and

Re: [WSG] Table-Free Design

2004-08-16 Thread John Horner
Thanks everyone for your help so far. I'm getting very interested in the work of Big John and Holly at http://positioniseverything.net/ and Alex at http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/ which I certainly wasn't familiar with. Their code is as light on the hacks as possible, but also fully flexible and