Re: [WSG] question about iframe accessibility
On 21 sep 2004, at 02.26, Ted Drake wrote: To satisfy level 2 I have a problem with a series of input fields. For multiple travelers, we have 10 boxes for ages. I have a label associated with the first age and then alt tags on the following inputs. Should I wrap all ten inputs in the lable tag as I've seen elsewhere? I'd rather not create a label for each ten boxes. What do you think? Each input should have its own label. Consider what happens when you click on a label - the matching form control gets focus or is activated. You can use a fieldset to group the input fields. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
Thanks for the feedback. Not great if it is not reliable across same system configs. Johan > Original Message > From: "Greer, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 6:07 PM > Subject: RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash > > Forgot to mention, I have seen it fail with the empty text box on IE6 > as > well (not on the page mentioned below, but on our testing of Satay). > Ben. > > > I used the "Satay" method on this page which validates to > > XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x > > on Win - not sure about other OS. > > > > http://www.assetnow.com/anx/index.cfm/1,8,20,html > ** > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > ** > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
Forgot to mention, I have seen it fail with the empty text box on IE6 as well (not on the page mentioned below, but on our testing of Satay). Ben. > I used the "Satay" method on this page which validates to > XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x > on Win - not sure about other OS. > > http://www.assetnow.com/anx/index.cfm/1,8,20,html ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
Hi Johan, That page fails (displays an empty text box) on Win98SE, IE5.5, Flash 7,0,1,9,0. The big problem with Satay that I found is that on one machine it will work fine, then on another with the exact same OS, IE and Flash versions it fails with the empty text box problem. See the comments in the original Satay article on ALA, where others have found this problem. Ben. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Johan Steenkamp > Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 3:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash > > > I used the "Satay" method on this page which validates to > XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x > on Win - not sure about other OS. > > http://www.assetnow.com/anx/index.cfm/1,8,20,html > > Johan > > www.assetnow.com > > > Original Message > > From: "Ian Fenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 12:29 PM > > Subject: [WSG] Embedding Flash > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml > strict page? > > > > I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at > > alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some > > browsers > > nothing is displayed... not the flash... nor the back-up image? > > > > Is there are preferred and more reliable method around now? > > > > All the best, > > > > -- > > Ian > > > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash
I used the "Satay" method on this page which validates to XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x on Win - not sure about other OS. http://www.assetnow.com/anx/index.cfm/1,8,20,html Johan www.assetnow.com > Original Message > From: "Ian Fenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 12:29 PM > Subject: [WSG] Embedding Flash > > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? > > I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at > alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some > browsers > nothing is displayed... not the flash... nor the back-up image? > > Is there are preferred and more reliable method around now? > > All the best, > > -- > Ian > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
As you said, both validating methods have issues, and AFAIK there is not a more reliable method that is valid. I have recently been testing Satay, and I have seen it fail on various setups, and have given up on it. As David said, I think the answer to your question is "no". > Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? > > I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at > alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in > some browsers > nothing is displayed... not the flash... nor the back-up image? > > Is there are preferred and more reliable method around now? ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox - correction!
Hi Kevin Support for/fixing of bugs in the extension are probably better directed at the extension developer via his/her homepage. My post to the group is more a notification that the tool is out there and can really help with development. Regards James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox
on windows, adds On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:18:40 +1000, Kevin Futter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I've just found, downloaded/installed and tested it, and it's > running fine on Mac OS X (10.3.5). > > Cheers, > Kevin Futter > > > > On 21/9/04 11:59 AM, "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Kevin Futter wrote: > >> Is it OS or version specific? > > It's windows only. > > http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=249&vid=716&page=releases > > > > Patrick > > _ > > re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively > > [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] > > www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk > > http://redux.deviantart.com > > > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > > Web standards, accessib > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > -- Regards, Amit Karmakar http://karmakars.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox - correction!
Well, that's twice today already that I've spoken too soon! This extension pops the interface up as expected but doesn't actually show anything in the Errors and Warnings window, so I'd say it doesn't work on Mac OS after all ... Cheers, Kevin (red-faced) On 21/9/04 12:18 PM, "Kevin Futter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I've just found, downloaded/installed and tested it, and it's > running fine on Mac OS X (10.3.5). > > Cheers, > Kevin Futter > > On 21/9/04 11:59 AM, "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Kevin Futter wrote: >>> Is it OS or version specific? >> It's windows only. >> http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=249&vid=716&page=release>> s >> >> Patrick >> _ >> re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively >> [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] >> www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk >> http://redux.deviantart.com >> >> ** >> The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ >> >> Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ >> Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge >> To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 >> >> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >> ** >> >> > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox
Actually, I've just found, downloaded/installed and tested it, and it's running fine on Mac OS X (10.3.5). Cheers, Kevin Futter On 21/9/04 11:59 AM, "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin Futter wrote: >> Is it OS or version specific? > It's windows only. > http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=249&vid=716&page=releases > > Patrick > _ > re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively > [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] > www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk > http://redux.deviantart.com > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox
Kevin Futter wrote: Is it OS or version specific? It's windows only. http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=249&vid=716&page=releases Patrick _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
It'still working for me with 1.0PR Glenn Tom Livingston wrote: Current version of Web Dev extention is incompatible with FF 1.0PR... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox
Hi James, I can't find this anywhere on the Extensions site - can you point to it specifically? Is it OS or version specific? Cheers, Kevin On 21/9/04 11:10 AM, "James Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all > > Just a heads up for all of you trying to move to standards compliant, > accessible code - there's a new extension at Mozilla update called HTML > validator with Tidy. This gets triggered when you view the source of a > page in Firefox, reporting errors and there is an option to Tidy your > page using the inbuilt Tidy library (tidy.sourceforge.net). > > The options for the extension also have Accessibility warnings, sourced > from the W3C WAI @ http://w3c.org/TR/WCAG10/full-checklist.html > > Go forth, accessify and tidy! There's no excuse now... :D > > Cheers > James > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox
the link to the extension is http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=249&vid=716 Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development & IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav James Ellis wrote: Hi all Just a heads up for all of you trying to move to standards compliant, accessible code - there's a new extension at Mozilla update called HTML validator with Tidy. This gets triggered when you view the source of a page in Firefox, reporting errors and there is an option to Tidy your page using the inbuilt Tidy library (tidy.sourceforge.net). The options for the extension also have Accessibility warnings, sourced from the W3C WAI @ http://w3c.org/TR/WCAG10/full-checklist.html Go forth, accessify and tidy! There's no excuse now... :D Cheers James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox
Hi all Just a heads up for all of you trying to move to standards compliant, accessible code - there's a new extension at Mozilla update called HTML validator with Tidy. This gets triggered when you view the source of a page in Firefox, reporting errors and there is an option to Tidy your page using the inbuilt Tidy library (tidy.sourceforge.net). The options for the extension also have Accessibility warnings, sourced from the W3C WAI @ http://w3c.org/TR/WCAG10/full-checklist.html Go forth, accessify and tidy! There's no excuse now... :D Cheers James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
Ian, I asked a very similar question a while ago. The consensus seemed to be that there was no consensus. I recently used Ian Hix's method: http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064&count=1 to place Flash files on our site (http://www.alucida.com/software/sw_wsDemo_01.html if you're interested, links to pop-up windows containing Flash files at the bottom of the page). This validates as HTML 4.0, not XHTML strict, so the answer to your question may very well be 'no'. David McKinnon www.alucida.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Fenn Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Embedding Flash Hi, Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some browsers nothing is displayed... not the flash... nor the back-up image? Is there are preferred and more reliable method around now? All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] question about iframe accessibility
Ted - the content between the iframe tags doesn't need to be hidden or commented out; in browsers that support iframes, it's automatically replaced by the content specified in the source attribute, otherwise it's shown. Think of it a little bit like the noframes or noscript tags in old school HTML, where people usually just put something like "Sorry, your browser doesn't support iframes ...". Cheers, Kevin On 21/9/04 10:26 AM, "Ted Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's what I figured out. > When you have a frame, you need to specify what the content is. You could do > this with a title tag or even better, distinct text in the body of the frame. > for instance, you would say, this is the navigation frame. > > I did both. I put a title attribute on the iframe saying title="dynamic > calendar" and in the body of the iframe I added > Dynamic Calendar for form fields. > > This satisfied the requirements and we are now 508 compliant and wai level 1 > happy. > > > \/ \/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/ > To satisfy level 2 I have a problem with a series of input fields. For > multiple travelers, we have 10 boxes for ages. I have a label associated with > the first age and then alt tags on the following inputs. Should I wrap all > ten inputs in the lable tag as I've seen elsewhere? I'd rather not create a > label for each ten boxes. What do you think? > > Ted > > > -Original Message- > From: Ted Drake > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 5:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WSG] question about iframe accessibility > > > We are using a popup calendar for forms on our site and it uses an iframe for > the calendar. > I'm getting this message from the developers toolbar 508 checker > > Rule: 1.1.6 - All IFRAME elements are required to contain element content. > > * Failure - IFRAME Element at Line: 362, Column: 1 > > I'm not very familiar with iframes. What do you think it is asking for? > > Here's a reference page > http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/twelcome.do > > and the appropriate code: > id="gToday:contrast:agenda.js" src="../js/cal/ipopeng.htm" scrolling="no" > frameborder="0" style="visibility:visible; z-index:999; position:absolute; > left:-500px; top:0px;" > > > > There is a javascript that populates this iframe. Do you think the validation > engine would be happy with a simple comment tag inside the iframe before the > javascript populates it? I'll try for the heck of it. Any other ideas? > > Ted > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] New website - please review www.astraroger.ro
> http://www.astraroger.ro . Please take a look at it and tell me what > you think. Don't be shy. :) Quick points: this (spaces using & nbsp;): & nbsp;& nbsp; Istorie & nbsp;& nbsp; Echipa & nbsp;& nbsp; Avantaje is the typographical equivalent of a spacer gif. Use padding or text-indent. Both are totally workable solutions. Also on the menu, instead of: Ferestre Having 1)images as headings and 2)those headings as list items seems a bit off target to me. If you were willing to go the 'image replacement' route you could do the following... Produse Astra Roger Ferestre ** edit: You haven't used a single header tag in the home page??! Impressively lean Flash markup - i still turn it off though, personal preference. ...and then there's this: Eeeww, images as text... You said not to be shy :D All the best, Andrew. -- http://leftjustified.net/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Embedding Flash
Hi, Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some browsers nothing is displayed... not the flash... nor the back-up image? Is there are preferred and more reliable method around now? All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] question about iframe accessibility
Here's what I figured out. When you have a frame, you need to specify what the content is. You could do this with a title tag or even better, distinct text in the body of the frame. for instance, you would say, this is the navigation frame. I did both. I put a title attribute on the iframe saying title="dynamic calendar" and in the body of the iframe I added Dynamic Calendar for form fields. This satisfied the requirements and we are now 508 compliant and wai level 1 happy. \/ \/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/ To satisfy level 2 I have a problem with a series of input fields. For multiple travelers, we have 10 boxes for ages. I have a label associated with the first age and then alt tags on the following inputs. Should I wrap all ten inputs in the lable tag as I've seen elsewhere? I'd rather not create a label for each ten boxes. What do you think? Ted -Original Message- From: Ted Drake Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 5:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] question about iframe accessibility We are using a popup calendar for forms on our site and it uses an iframe for the calendar. I'm getting this message from the developers toolbar 508 checker Rule: 1.1.6 - All IFRAME elements are required to contain element content. * Failure - IFRAME Element at Line: 362, Column: 1 I'm not very familiar with iframes. What do you think it is asking for? Here's a reference page http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/twelcome.do and the appropriate code: There is a javascript that populates this iframe. Do you think the validation engine would be happy with a simple comment tag inside the iframe before the javascript populates it? I'll try for the heck of it. Any other ideas? Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] question about iframe accessibility
It's asking for some default text or content between the iframe tags, which will be displayed by any browser unable to support iframes or load the content specified in the src attribute - the main culprit these days is NN4, but I'm not sure of the mileage for text-based or non-visual browsers. Cheers, Kevin Futter On 21/9/04 10:04 AM, "Ted Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are using a popup calendar for forms on our site and it uses an iframe for > the calendar. > I'm getting this message from the developers toolbar 508 checker > > Rule: 1.1.6 - All IFRAME elements are required to contain element content. > > * Failure - IFRAME Element at Line: 362, Column: 1 > > I'm not very familiar with iframes. What do you think it is asking for? > > Here's a reference page > http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/twelcome.do > > and the appropriate code: > id="gToday:contrast:agenda.js" src="../js/cal/ipopeng.htm" scrolling="no" > frameborder="0" style="visibility:visible; z-index:999; position:absolute; > left:-500px; top:0px;" > > > > There is a javascript that populates this iframe. Do you think the validation > engine would be happy with a simple comment tag inside the iframe before the > javascript populates it? I'll try for the heck of it. Any other ideas? > > Ted > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] question about iframe accessibility
We are using a popup calendar for forms on our site and it uses an iframe for the calendar. I'm getting this message from the developers toolbar 508 checker Rule: 1.1.6 - All IFRAME elements are required to contain element content. * Failure - IFRAME Element at Line: 362, Column: 1 I'm not very familiar with iframes. What do you think it is asking for? Here's a reference page http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/twelcome.do and the appropriate code: There is a javascript that populates this iframe. Do you think the validation engine would be happy with a simple comment tag inside the iframe before the javascript populates it? I'll try for the heck of it. Any other ideas? Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] css validation error
font: [italics/bold/etc] [size]/[line-height] ["two
words"],[fam2],[fam3],[etc];
Kevin Futter wrote:
My understanding was that there shouldn't be a comma in the shorthand font
selector after "Trebuchet MS" (but I could be wrong ...).
Cheers,
Kevin Futter
On 20/9/04 4:26 PM, "John Oxton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe you could try not using the font shorthand to get it to validate,
try it as font-family etc. Could it be that there is something missing
from that rule? Certainly one I have had problem with before.
Cameron Muir wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out John - serves me right for not cleaning out
disused styles.
However, I'm still getting the same error.
John Oxton wrote:
Hi Cameron,
You have this
.paymate {
position: relative:
top: 20px;
right: 10px;
}
the position:relative needs a semi colon and you should be on your way
Regards,
John,
Cameron Muir wrote:
Hello,
I can't work out why this is producing an error. I'm sure there must
be a simple solution that I've missed.
body {
font: small "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;
color: #66;
}
The error:
URI : http://design.quagma.net/themes/quagma/style.css
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse Error - : Trebuchet MS
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse Error - sans-serif;
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse error - Unrecognized : { }
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http://design.quagma.net
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Re: [WSG] css validation error
It appears from another post that I am wrong! Oh well ...
Kevin Futter
On 21/9/04 8:56 AM, "Kevin Futter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My understanding was that there shouldn't be a comma in the shorthand font
> selector after "Trebuchet MS" (but I could be wrong ...).
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin Futter
>
> On 20/9/04 4:26 PM, "John Oxton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Maybe you could try not using the font shorthand to get it to validate,
>> try it as font-family etc. Could it be that there is something missing
>> from that rule? Certainly one I have had problem with before.
>>
>> Cameron Muir wrote:
>>> Thanks for pointing that out John - serves me right for not cleaning out
>>> disused styles.
>>>
>>> However, I'm still getting the same error.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Oxton wrote:
>>>
Hi Cameron,
You have this
.paymate {
position: relative:
top: 20px;
right: 10px;
}
the position:relative needs a semi colon and you should be on your way
Regards,
John,
Cameron Muir wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I can't work out why this is producing an error. I'm sure there must
> be a simple solution that I've missed.
>
> body {
>font: small "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;
>color: #66;
> }
>
> The error:
>
>
> URI : http://design.quagma.net/themes/quagma/style.css
>
>* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
>
> Parse Error - : Trebuchet MS
>
>* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
>
> Parse Error - sans-serif;
>
>* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
>
> Parse error - Unrecognized : { }
>
>
> The site:
> http://design.quagma.net
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Re: [WSG] css validation error
My understanding was that there shouldn't be a comma in the shorthand font
selector after "Trebuchet MS" (but I could be wrong ...).
Cheers,
Kevin Futter
On 20/9/04 4:26 PM, "John Oxton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe you could try not using the font shorthand to get it to validate,
> try it as font-family etc. Could it be that there is something missing
> from that rule? Certainly one I have had problem with before.
>
> Cameron Muir wrote:
>> Thanks for pointing that out John - serves me right for not cleaning out
>> disused styles.
>>
>> However, I'm still getting the same error.
>>
>>
>> John Oxton wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cameron,
>>> You have this
>>>
>>> .paymate {
>>> position: relative:
>>> top: 20px;
>>> right: 10px;
>>> }
>>>
>>> the position:relative needs a semi colon and you should be on your way
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Cameron Muir wrote:
>>>
Hello,
I can't work out why this is producing an error. I'm sure there must
be a simple solution that I've missed.
body {
font: small "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;
color: #66;
}
The error:
URI : http://design.quagma.net/themes/quagma/style.css
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse Error - : Trebuchet MS
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse Error - sans-serif;
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse error - Unrecognized : { }
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http://design.quagma.net
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RE: [WSG] New website launch
Kay wrote: > I created a floating div and stuck them in that - seems to work, but I'm > not sure it's the proper way to go! Thanks Kay! For me, removing a div seemed to work... but I'm not entirely sure my css markup is as good as it could be: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=98657 All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] New website launch
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Re: [WSG] A Church Website
What's that link again? Jack Kennard Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Ooops... http://www.jccihouseofglory.com/index.php Sorry about that that is the link On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:16:31 -0500, Leslie Riggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, where's the link? :) Leslie Riggs Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Hi guys, well I just wanted your feedback to a church website that I was making. Though it still has some bugs, probably not much on IE5 please help me check it out Also it is supposed to be avlid CSS and XHTML but I haven't checked it yet... Thanks ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] A Church Website
May I suggest you open your browser, display the site and then copy the URL and paste it inside the post to this list :o| Kim Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Ooops... http://www.jccihouseofglory.com/index.php Sorry about that that is the link On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:16:31 -0500, Leslie Riggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, where's the link? :) Leslie Riggs Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Hi guys, well I just wanted your feedback to a church website that I was making. Though it still has some bugs, probably not much on IE5 please help me check it out Also it is supposed to be avlid CSS and XHTML but I haven't checked it yet... Thanks ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] A Church Website
Ooops... http://www.jccihouseofglory.com/index.php Sorry about that that is the link On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:16:31 -0500, Leslie Riggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, where's the link? :) > > Leslie Riggs > > > Olajide Olaolorun wrote: > > >Hi guys, well I just wanted your feedback to a church website that I > >was making. Though it still has some bugs, probably not much on IE5 > >please help me check it out > > > >Also it is supposed to be avlid CSS and XHTML but I haven't checked it yet... > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ > Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge > To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > -- Personal: www.olajideolaolorun.com www.empirex.net Business: www.tripleolabs.com www.tripleostudios.com Projects: www.uniformserver.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] A Church Website
So, where's the link? :) Leslie Riggs Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Hi guys, well I just wanted your feedback to a church website that I was making. Though it still has some bugs, probably not much on IE5 please help me check it out Also it is supposed to be avlid CSS and XHTML but I haven't checked it yet... Thanks ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] css validation error
Thanks John and Ryan - the problem was something to do with the menu
list item styles. It was way down the bottom of the page - I was going
crazy because I thought that error report referred to the body style
(which was at the top of the page). I only realised that must have been
the problem when I noticed the font family for the menu list item was
unneccessarily specified and removed it - after that it validated. I
could have left out a bracket or colon, I don't know, but it worked when
it was gone.
regards,
cameron.
Ryan Christie wrote:
I just checked out your CSS file, and it validates now. Whatever you
did to fix it worked :)
Just to touch base on that font shorthand:
font: [italics/bold/etc] [size]/[line-height] ["family
1"],[fam2],[fam3],[etc];
I haven't experiemented with what can be left in/out and still having
it validate, but i would imagine any element as long as they appear in
the correct order.
John Oxton wrote:
Maybe you could try not using the font shorthand to get it to
validate, try it as font-family etc. Could it be that there is
something missing from that rule? Certainly one I have had problem
with before.
Cameron Muir wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out John - serves me right for not cleaning
out disused styles.
However, I'm still getting the same error.
John Oxton wrote:
Hi Cameron,
You have this
.paymate {
position: relative:
top: 20px;
right: 10px;
}
the position:relative needs a semi colon and you should be on your way
Regards,
John,
Cameron Muir wrote:
Hello,
I can't work out why this is producing an error. I'm sure there
must be a simple solution that I've missed.
body {
font: small "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;
color: #66;
}
The error:
URI : http://design.quagma.net/themes/quagma/style.css
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse Error - : Trebuchet MS
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse Error - sans-serif;
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse error - Unrecognized : { }
The site:
http://design.quagma.net
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[WSG] A Church Website
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Re: [WSG] New website launch
Quoting Ryan Christie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > That wort of seems like beating a dead horse right there. If something > has width:700px;, declaring min-width:700px; defeats the purpose. Fair point. > min-width is the maximum allowed shrinkage a site will allow with a > resized browser window *before* it will not shrink further and adds in > scrollbars. To be effwctive in this case, the min-width would need to be > a smaller value than 700px. > > As for div#mozscroll, it doesn't sound absolutely necessary to be there. It forces a vertical scrollbar which prevents the page from shifting when it goes beyond one screen. The problem I'm experiencing with the Windows 2000 seems to be related to box model issues with IE5 and IE5.5. I'm on the hunt... -- Ian Fenn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] New website launch
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:08:29 -0400, Ryan Christie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This seems weird to me as the layout uses a fixed width centred div of
> > 700px and html has min-width:700px specified + there's an extra
> > div#mozscroll which is also 700px so the browser really ought to add
> > scrollbars when its width falls below 700px
> > James
>
> That wort of seems like beating a dead horse right there. If something
> has width:700px;, declaring min-width:700px; defeats the purpose.
> min-width is the maximum allowed shrinkage a site will allow with a
> resized browser window *before* it will not shrink further and adds in
> scrollbars. To be effwctive in this case, the min-width would need to be
> a smaller value than 700px.
Making html {min-width} smaller (500px) does not help.
> As for div#mozscroll, it doesn't sound absolutely necessary to be there.
That's kinda my point (sorry, not being clear!) The page has all these
rules to tell the browser that its size is 700px yet Moz & Ffox refuse
to show a horizontal scroll bar where Opera and IE6 do. Is this a
known bug or something more subtle on the page?
James
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This seems weird to me as the layout uses a fixed width centred div of 700px and html has min-width:700px specified + there's an extra div#mozscroll which is also 700px so the browser really ought to add scrollbars when its width falls below 700px ... or am I misinterpreting min-width? Any ideas anyone? James That wort of seems like beating a dead horse right there. If something has width:700px;, declaring min-width:700px; defeats the purpose. min-width is the maximum allowed shrinkage a site will allow with a resized browser window *before* it will not shrink further and adds in scrollbars. To be effwctive in this case, the min-width would need to be a smaller value than 700px. As for div#mozscroll, it doesn't sound absolutely necessary to be there. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] css validation error
I just checked out your CSS file, and it validates now. Whatever you did
to fix it worked :)
Just to touch base on that font shorthand:
font: [italics/bold/etc] [size]/[line-height] ["family
1"],[fam2],[fam3],[etc];
I haven't experiemented with what can be left in/out and still having it
validate, but i would imagine any element as long as they appear in the
correct order.
John Oxton wrote:
Maybe you could try not using the font shorthand to get it to validate,
try it as font-family etc. Could it be that there is something missing
from that rule? Certainly one I have had problem with before.
Cameron Muir wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out John - serves me right for not cleaning
out disused styles.
However, I'm still getting the same error.
John Oxton wrote:
Hi Cameron,
You have this
.paymate {
position: relative:
top: 20px;
right: 10px;
}
the position:relative needs a semi colon and you should be on your way
Regards,
John,
Cameron Muir wrote:
Hello,
I can't work out why this is producing an error. I'm sure there must
be a simple solution that I've missed.
body {
font: small "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;
color: #66;
}
The error:
URI : http://design.quagma.net/themes/quagma/style.css
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse Error - : Trebuchet MS
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse Error - sans-serif;
* Line: 0 Context : sans-serif
Parse error - Unrecognized : { }
The site:
http://design.quagma.net
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Re: [WSG] New website launch
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:20:04 +0100, Ian Fenn wrote: > I've launched my first website using web standards for a client: > http://www.housedoctor.co.uk/ > Checking the website in browsercam: > http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=98657 > ...it doesn't seem to be rendering quite right in IE5 or IE5.5 in Windows > 2000. It's also a bit screwy in Opera 6.0 on the Mac. In Firefox (1.0PR) and Mozilla (1.7.2) on WinXP no horizontal scroll bars appear when the page exceeds the browser window (Opera 7.2.3 and IE6 seem fine). This seems weird to me as the layout uses a fixed width centred div of 700px and html has min-width:700px specified + there's an extra div#mozscroll which is also 700px so the browser really ought to add scrollbars when its width falls below 700px ... or am I misinterpreting min-width? Any ideas anyone? James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
I apologize for the repeat message. My mistake. :-( Jeremy S. (WSG) wrote: Hey there. I find that when I do so, even with my site, it simply breaks my site design. It's when I click on the EditCSS button that such happens. It doesn't seem to happen with many other sites, just mine. Would that be a problem with my CSS code? Matt Andrews wrote: ... and, if you're using the Web Developer extension, Firefox has a huge advantage over Mozilla: the "Edit CSS" feature - a must for any CSS developer! load a page, choose "Edit CSS", and a sidebar opens with the CSS files. edit them and see the results *instantly* in the browser. save the CSS files out to disk. bliss :) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:50:22 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Mozilla has a more mature UI, besides bundling not only mailnews but also IRC chat, address book, and web page composer. Firefox is less mature, but offers more customizability of the UI itself, separate from any extensions you may choose to add. FF, being smaller, runs slightly faster. So, which to pick depends on personal preferences as to look and feel and minor functionality, in addition to whether you need or want the bundled apps. Either way you choose, you'll want the web developer extension: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/webdeveloper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
Hey there. I find that when I do so, even with my site, it simply breaks my site design. It's when I click on the EditCSS button that such happens. It doesn't seem to happen with many other sites, just mine. Would that be a problem with my CSS code? Matt Andrews wrote: ... and, if you're using the Web Developer extension, Firefox has a huge advantage over Mozilla: the "Edit CSS" feature - a must for any CSS developer! load a page, choose "Edit CSS", and a sidebar opens with the CSS files. edit them and see the results *instantly* in the browser. save the CSS files out to disk. bliss :) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:50:22 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Mozilla has a more mature UI, besides bundling not only mailnews but also IRC chat, address book, and web page composer. Firefox is less mature, but offers more customizability of the UI itself, separate from any extensions you may choose to add. FF, being smaller, runs slightly faster. So, which to pick depends on personal preferences as to look and feel and minor functionality, in addition to whether you need or want the bundled apps. Either way you choose, you'll want the web developer extension: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/webdeveloper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
Hey there. I find that when I do so, even with my site, it simply breaks my site design. It's when I click on the EditCSS button that such happens. It doesn't seem to happen with many other sites, just mine. Would that be a problem with my CSS code? Matt Andrews wrote: ... and, if you're using the Web Developer extension, Firefox has a huge advantage over Mozilla: the "Edit CSS" feature - a must for any CSS developer! load a page, choose "Edit CSS", and a sidebar opens with the CSS files. edit them and see the results *instantly* in the browser. save the CSS files out to disk. bliss :) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:50:22 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Mozilla has a more mature UI, besides bundling not only mailnews but also IRC chat, address book, and web page composer. Firefox is less mature, but offers more customizability of the UI itself, separate from any extensions you may choose to add. FF, being smaller, runs slightly faster. So, which to pick depends on personal preferences as to look and feel and minor functionality, in addition to whether you need or want the bundled apps. Either way you choose, you'll want the web developer extension: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/webdeveloper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Footer stuff
At 06:22 PM 9/19/2004, Amit Karmakar wrote: What is better in terms of semantics and accessibility? stuff | more stuff stuff too | more stuff again or stuff | more stuff stuff too | more stuff again Amit, I suppose you need to ask yourself, why are you splitting the list visually into two rows? Is it because you're grouping the items in semantic pairs, or is it because two items are all that seem to fit, given your particular font size and container width? Guessing that your reason for splitting the list is presentational, not semantic, I'd go with the unordered list where the split into rows can be handled by CSS. One way to do this would be to assign the block LIs "float: left;" and the UL a constraining width. The list items will fill out the list width and then wrap to the next row. Depending on the width of their container, this might be one row or two or more. If you change your page layout in the future to make the container wider or narrower, you won't have to worry about moving that pesky line-break -- your list will break naturally at the new width. On the other hand, if you're splitting the list for semantic reasons, I'd still use UL/LI, but I'd make each sub-group of items its own unordered list: item 1 item 2 item 3 item 4 As to your list separators, I don't believe unordered lists are supposed to contain anything but LIs, so your " | " characters between LIs wouldn't validate. I've used various methods to get around this. One way is to include the delimiter in each list item: item 1 | item 2 item 3 | item 4 Another way is to give the delimiters their own list items: item 1 | item 2 item 3 | item 4 I don't really like either method when I'm considering the delimiter to be presentational, not semantic. I don't use the :after pseudo-element yet, only because it doesn't work cross-browser. An alternative that utilizes CSS is to introduce the delimiter as a background image for selected items. Of course, this doesn't advance one's CSS karma, because in order to assign the delimiter to selected items it's necessary to mark those items in HTML: item 1 item 2 item 3 item 4 This is, in fact, flagging presentation in HTML, so we haven't advanced much if any from the old school. Any suggestions for how to exit the box? Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
