Re: [WSG] Orange and Blue

2005-02-24 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:23:44 -0800, Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/24/05 3:16 PM "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: Has anyone (else) noticed an increase in sites implementing primarily orange and blue color schemes?  Is this for accessibility or other considerations, or

Re: [WSG] Orange and Blue

2005-02-24 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:16:40 -0800, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has anyone (else) noticed an increase in sites implementing primarily orange and blue color schemes? Is this for accessibility or other considerations, or just the 2005 look? It's getting annoying. I enjoy them thoroughly, par

Re: [WSG] Orange and Blue

2005-02-24 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 2/24/05 3:16 PM "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > Has anyone (else) noticed an increase in sites implementing primarily orange > and blue color schemes?  Is this for accessibility or other considerations, or > just the 2005 look?  It's getting annoying. Aren't those the phpbb colors?

Re: [WSG] Help centering footer IE6

2005-02-24 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Thanks Bert > In quirks mode, that means the footer is only a total of 698px > wide (with the padding subtracted to get inside width). > > In standards mode (as with Firefox and Opera), left and right > padding is added to that figure, for a total width of 728px. I have removed the left and ri

Re: [WSG] Floated list items not floating on a Mac

2005-02-24 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
Replied off list Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au > From: Seona Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:57:56 +1100 > To: > Subject: RE: [WSG] Floated list items not floating on a Mac > > OK, I've made that change. Ca

Re: [WSG] Help centering footer IE6

2005-02-24 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi Bert Thanks for your suggestion. > I tested that by removing all the floats, positioning and > display:inline (with the web developer toolbar in Firefox) and it > made no visible difference to the layout. I have included these elements for a couple of other pages, namely:

Re: [WSG] Help centering footer IE6

2005-02-24 Thread Bert Doorn
Ah, OK, it's not "perfectly" centered. I didn't notice at first. You have put MSIE into quirks mode by adding the xml prolog at the top of the source. MSIE thus uses the old box model, making the paragraphs narrower. Since you're floating them to the left, there's extra space on the right.

RE: [WSG] Floated list items not floating on a Mac

2005-02-24 Thread Seona Bellamy
OK, I've made that change. Can you check again and make sure it really is fixed, please? Thanks heaps, Seona. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st > Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 12:34 PM > To: wsg@webstanda

RE: [WSG] Floated list items not floating on a Mac

2005-02-24 Thread Seona Bellamy
Yeah, I think so too, but she's not terribly useful that way. She sent me a screen dump, and kindly cut off all of the surrounds so that I had nothing useful to work with. *sigh* I wrote back, but she's obviously left her computer and since I'm working to a deadline here, I figured I'd just have to

Re: [WSG] Help centering footer IE6

2005-02-24 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi David > It's centered in XP_SP2 IE6.0. Can you please confirm that the image in the footer is also centered. I have XP_SP2 IE6.0 and it does not appear centered to me. The image sits too far to the left by a considerable margin. Does anyone else have this problem? Thanks Sarah -- XERT Com

Re: [WSG] Help centering footer IE6

2005-02-24 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I would very much appreciate any help unraveling why IE6 does *not* center my footer (have checked on other browsers and all appears OK). The page is validated for XHTML and CSS. Link: It's centered for me in IE6 on Windows 2000 Pr

Re: [WSG] Help centering footer IE6

2005-02-24 Thread David Laakso
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:00:30 +1100, Sarah Peeke (XERT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks I would very much appreciate any help unraveling why IE6 does *not* center my footer . Sarah It's centered in XP_SP2 IE6.0. David -- de gustibus non est disputandum http://www.dla

[WSG] Help centering footer IE6

2005-02-24 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi folks I would very much appreciate any help unraveling why IE6 does *not* center my footer (have checked on other browsers and all appears OK). The page is validated for XHTML and CSS. Link: Stylesheet:

Re: [WSG] Floated list items not floating on a Mac

2005-02-24 Thread John Horner
At 12:26 PM +1100 25/2/05, Seona Bellamy wrote: According to a Mac-using friend of mine, they aren't doing this and are instead showing as a vertical list. It would help to know which *browser* your friend uses... it looks fine in Mac FireFox... ---

Re: [WSG] Floated list items not floating on a Mac

2005-02-24 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
It's only happening in Mac IE, anyway instead of having the Lis float left, change it to 'display: inline' and this fixes the problem. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au > From: Seona Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005

Re: [WSG] vertical drop-down menu

2005-02-24 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day The problem with these drop-down menus is that they rely on Javascript for cross-browser compatibility. http://www.easymenu.co.uk/ is a classic example. Try disabling JavaScript in Firefox and finding the pages under the navigation item "About us". For example "contact us" takes you to htt

[WSG] Floated list items not floating on a Mac

2005-02-24 Thread Seona Bellamy
Hi guys, The problem I have is with my menu bar at the top of http://www.onehouseproductions.com . It's in a , with the 's floated left to make them sit along a single line. According to a Mac-using friend of mine, they aren't doing this and are instead showing as a vertical list. Can someone ple

RE: [WSG] vertical drop-down menu

2005-02-24 Thread Focas, Grant
Hi, The problem with these drop-down menus is that they rely on Javascript for cross-browser compatibility. http://www.easymenu.co.uk/ is a classic example. Try disabling JavaScript in Firefox and finding the pages under the navigation item "About us". For example "contact us" takes you to http

Re: [WSG] SEO, Semantics, and Web Standards

2005-02-24 Thread heretic
hi, > I recently paid a visit to a certain SEO forum and had a look at the > forums there. > Whilst reading the threads, I couldn't help but be shocked and appalled > at the FUD being spread there. Most SEO seems to be either complete FUD or ideas with very questionable sources/backup info. Separ

RE: [WSG] Orange and Blue

2005-02-24 Thread Ted Drake
orange and blue are complementary colors and will grab your attention. It's why the colors are often used in sports. If you want to be really annoying, go with a  purple background with yellow text.   complementary colors are good in small doses, if you have a blue bar and want the purchase

[WSG] Orange and Blue

2005-02-24 Thread John
Has anyone (else) noticed an increase in sites implementing primarily orange and blue color schemes?  Is this for accessibility or other considerations, or just the 2005 look?  It's getting annoying.

Re: [WSG] Web counters - Final

2005-02-24 Thread Andy Pieters
Hi For all of you who wanted to see my script and need a little help setting it up, I made available some pages where you can download and find more information. http://www.vlaamse-kern.com/sas/scripts/ Please note that I cannot give free support for these scripts! With kind regards Andy -

[WSG] Absolute position and percentage height with IE??

2005-02-24 Thread Greg Morphis
Does IE not like height:#% when you specify the position:absolute attribute? In FF it displays the way I want it to however in IE it's messed up.. http://www.worldincode.com/page/index.cfm (ignore the color choice - it's for distinction only) What do you reccomend when wanting to make a website wi

Re: [WSG] can anybody check out a site in Safari/IE5 Mac for me?

2005-02-24 Thread Dave O'Brien
> Just a quick look bud, Safari is fine (including the drop downs) and > looks as it should ( checked it on the PC too ) however in IE 5.2 the > main navigation list is broken and appears vertically, so no suprise > there You may want to try absolute positiong these LI's ( see > zeldman.com ).

RE: [WSG] [on-topic]wireframes - Inkscape

2005-02-24 Thread Chris Rizzo
My favorite app for this kind of thing is a free one. Inkscape. It's also easy to use and uses standard SVG. http://inkscape.org/ Also very useful for creating AI maps (site flow diagrams). If anyone is interested I can email you a copy of my svg template file with the template site flow elements.

Re: [WSG] [on-topic]wireframes

2005-02-24 Thread vanish
To my knowledge Visio is only available for Windows. OmniGraffle is an outstanding tool for Mac OS X. I use it extensively in plotting out my site designs in both Flow and UML methodologies. I often have to interoperate with multiple OS and mutliple RDBMS, and charting the connectors is invaluable

Re: [WSG] [on-topic]wireframes

2005-02-24 Thread David R
Chris Kennon wrote: /Should lead to yet another tool, Visio or OmniGraffle, if so what is recommended on the MAC OS side? What's stopping you from creating the prototype boxes in XHTML + CSS? It has the added advantage of meaning that once you've got your layout, you've also got your document st

Re: [WSG] Mommy I Ate My Veggies

2005-02-24 Thread David R
John Charlesworth wrote: I did a search on this newsgroup and couldn't find a URL. Is this available on the web? Thanks! .../j Well, I used the built-in CSS2.0 reference in Dreamweaver. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

[WSG] Advertising CSS Help

2005-02-24 Thread Genau Junior
Hi, I am developing some different advertising and would like to know, how can i create a slide layer that appears on righr side of browser, only when the screen resolution is more than 1024x768 pixels. My layer should be 150 px x 600 and will be layered at right side of the page. Can anyone

[WSG] [on-topic]wireframes

2005-02-24 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, After browsing several standards related sites, and incorporating the colored-box(wireframe) prototyping method, as suggested by Russ into my design process. I'm wondering if the following passage from(http://www.digital-web.com/articles/ia_as_an_extension_of_web_design/): Here’s how to make

Re: [WSG] Mommy I Ate My Veggies

2005-02-24 Thread John Charlesworth
At 09:58 AM 02/24/2005, David R wrote: >...But wouldn't it have just been easier to go over the selectors primer and >learn the properties as you need them? I did a search on this newsgroup and couldn't find a URL. Is this available on the web? Thanks! .../j *

RE: [WSG] SEO, Semantics, and Web Standards

2005-02-24 Thread Chris Rizzo
Not sure what site you were viewing, but for responsible discussions amongst professionals in regards to SEO/Semantics, etc. check out some of the more reputable sites: http://www.webmasterworld.com/home.htm http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/ http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/index.php?c=5 http

Re: [WSG] Mommy I Ate My Veggies

2005-02-24 Thread Anthony Timberlake
I am happy to hear that you have done that. I hope that it allows you to improve on your site and what you can do in the web design world! On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:58:05 -0800, Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sure this constitutes noise, but I had to say after 3 months I've

Re: [WSG] Mommy I Ate My Veggies

2005-02-24 Thread David R
Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, I'm sure this constitutes noise, but I had to say after 3 months I've finally finished reading the CSS 2.1 specification. I'm so happy. Have a great day/weekend all. Good for you :) ...But wouldn't it have just been easier to go over the selectors primer and learn the p

[WSG] SEO, Semantics, and Web Standards

2005-02-24 Thread David R
'Lo again I recently paid a visit to a certain SEO forum and had a look at the forums there. Whilst reading the threads, I couldn't help but be shocked and appalled at the FUD being spread there. To quote one (altered slightly, so you guys can't reverse-google for it ;) ) "...yeah, it also help

Re: [WSG] vertical drop-down menu

2005-02-24 Thread john
Perfect! Thank you! (Sorry...off-topic). ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net "content without clutter" on 2/24/2005 4:10 PM Kornel Lesinski said the following: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:25:49 +, john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can anybody recommend a t

Re: [WSG] vertical drop-down menu

2005-02-24 Thread Christian Peper
john wrote: Can anybody recommend a tutorial and/or some examples of a standards-compliant menu with a vertical orientation? Specifically, I need something that allows the user to see the second-level options when you either click or mouseover the main menu. Check out AListApart (ALA) for some

[WSG] Common Coding Problems with HTML and CSS

2005-02-24 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: Common Coding Problems with HTML and CSS An absolutely fantastic article, incredibly handy. http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/common.html If you've seen it before, great (  don't reply ;)  )

Re: [WSG] vertical drop-down menu

2005-02-24 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:25:49 +, john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can anybody recommend a tutorial and/or some examples of a standards-compliant menu with a vertical orientation? Specifically, I need something that allows the user to see the second-level options when you either click or mo

[WSG] Mommy I Ate My Veggies

2005-02-24 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, I'm sure this constitutes noise, but I had to say after 3 months I've finally finished reading the CSS 2.1 specification. I'm so happy. Have a great day/weekend all. CK ___ "An ideal is merely the projection, on an enormously enlarged scale, of some aspect of person

[WSG] vertical drop-down menu

2005-02-24 Thread john
Greetings, kind folks. Can anybody recommend a tutorial and/or some examples of a standards-compliant menu with a vertical orientation? Specifically, I need something that allows the user to see the second-level options when you either click or mouseover the main menu. Thanks for any help. --

Re: [WSG] problem with div height

2005-02-24 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:08:28 +0100, Christoph Mandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i'm trying for hours to get the left column (where the menu is) of a webpage to extend to the same height as the content on it's right. .. Christoph http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ David -- de gus

[WSG] limited clearing

2005-02-24 Thread Alan Trick
Say I have a site like this: _ | |main container | | | | | | __| | | |section | | | left |

RE: [WSG] problem with div height

2005-02-24 Thread Trusz, Andrew
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christoph Mandl Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] problem with div height Hello, i'm trying for hours to get the left column (where the menu is) of a

[WSG] can anybody check out a site in Safari/IE5 Mac for me?

2005-02-24 Thread Thorsten
hi folks, can anybody check out a site in Safari/IE5 Mac for me? iCapture seems to be down and i don't have access to Macs myself. screenshots are appreciated! :^) http://www.gipp-ev.de/@redesign2005/ (the main sections' pages [the top-most links] should be working, the drop-down links don't exi

[WSG] problem with div height

2005-02-24 Thread Christoph Mandl
Hello, i'm trying for hours to get the left column (where the menu is) of a webpage to extend to the same height as the content on it's right. I would be very grateful if anybody could give me some hint on how to accomplish this? site: http://mandolito.brotkastingsystem.de/mw2/impressum

Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?

2005-02-24 Thread designer
- Original Message - From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS? > > Bob, yes...I actually played around with the idea back in January, and > made a half-finished experiment here > http://dev.splinte

Re: [WSG] clear:both vs br clear="all"

2005-02-24 Thread Michael Wilson
Jamie Mason wrote: I just want to clear some floats to get the background to collect a div area. Can someone help me? Hi, You might want to take a look at the method below. I find this works well for making a div encapsulate it's floats, if of course, that is what you are looking for. http:

RE: [WSG] z-index problem

2005-02-24 Thread Trusz, Andrew
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gallagher, Robin Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:49 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: [WSG] z-index problem Hi I've got a 3-column page with footer: #leftcol { clear: both;

Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?

2005-02-24 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
designer wrote: Does this mean that, if I only use systemcolors on a site, the site will match the decor of the PC in question, and, appear differently depending upon how the machine is set, or are the system colours 'constant'. In other words, can I make a site be a good match for the users prefer

[WSG] RE: clear:both vs br clear="all"

2005-02-24 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: clear:both vs br clear="all"  ha! Cancel this, I just fixed it... FYI -Original Message- From: Jamie Mason Sent: 24 February 2005 11:35 To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: clear:both vs br clear="all" In Firefox, this; HTML   CSS .clr{height:0px;clear:both;f

[WSG] clear:both vs br clear="all"

2005-02-24 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: clear:both vs br clear="all" In Firefox, this; HTML   CSS .clr{height:0px;clear:both;font-size:0px} ..isn't working in one part of our site, but is fine everywhere else, this; Works fine, but as you'll know... "11.2 Avoid deprecated features of W3C technologies.    

Re: [WSG] innerHTML and javascript

2005-02-24 Thread Lawrence Carvalho
It's also incompatible with xml documents sent with the correct mime type. You have to use DOM methods or document.importNode on browsers that support it. -Lawrence Carvalho Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st wrote: Hi Alan I doubt it, even though it is probable the fastest method, it goes against