Re: [WSG] background images fluid

2005-08-02 Thread Joshua Street
Short answer: you can't. And, given general browser capabilities when it comes to scaling/resampling of images, a site that uses a resized background indiscriminately can't possibly look good at all resolutions. Probably best to make an image that fades off to whatever colour your

RE: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
Andrew Krespanis not adding a 'for' attribute kills half the purpose of using a label 0_o Without a for attrib, clicking the label will not affect (focus/activate) the input element nested within. Probably worth clarifying that this holds true only for our good old friend Internet

Re: [WSG] Opening external links in popup windows with no extra markup

2005-08-02 Thread Andrew Krespanis
On 8/2/05, Ben Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good catch. Now we're talking a good excuse for regular expressions. Instead of my recommendation of: a[i].getAttribute('href').toUpperCase().indexOf(HTTP://) == 0 ...I now recommend:

RE: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Derek Featherstone
On 8/2/05, Patrick Lauke wrote: Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, K-Meleon all cope just as well with an implicit label, making it clickable. Not sure about Safari...anybody care to do a super-quick check? From what I remember, Safari doesn't support clickable labels at all. Not so cool. Mental note -

RE: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Joshua Street
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:32 +0100, Patrick Lauke wrote: Probably worth clarifying that this holds true only for our good old friend Internet Explorer. Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, K-Meleon all cope just as well with an implicit label, making it clickable. Not sure about Safari...anybody care to do

[WSG] Firefox JS Image function

2005-08-02 Thread Ben Logan
Hi folks The following website uses a Javascript function and a target layer to display a new image every time the page refreshes. http://www.theleadsgroup.co.uk/ This works fine in IE browsers and in Firefox/Mozilla browsers it seems to not display the images at all? Anything I am doing

Re: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Jeremy Keith
Derek wrote: From what I remember, Safari doesn't support clickable labels at all. Not so cool. That's right. Here's a little bit of JavaScript that levels the playing field and will make labels clickable in any DOM-capable browser: function focusLabels() { if

Re: [WSG] Firefox JS Image function

2005-08-02 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day The following website uses a Javascript function and a target layer to display a new image every time the page refreshes. http://www.theleadsgroup.co.uk/ This works fine in IE browsers and in Firefox/Mozilla browsers it seems to not display the images at all? Anything I am doing wrong

Re: [WSG] Firefox JS Image function

2005-08-02 Thread James Denholm-Price
Hi Ben all @WSG: On 8/2/05, Ben Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following website uses a Javascript function and a target layer to display a new image every time the page refreshes. http://www.theleadsgroup.co.uk/ This works fine in IE browsers and in Firefox/Mozilla browsers it seems

RE: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
(copied to w3c-wai-ig for possible clarification of UAAG) Derek Featherstone Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, K-Meleon all cope just as well with an implicit label, making it clickable. Not sure about Safari...anybody care to do a super-quick check? From what I remember, Safari doesn't support

RE: [WSG] Firefox JS Image function

2005-08-02 Thread Ben Logan
Hey Bert Thanks for the tip off there! Will look at your method. Cheers Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bert Doorn Sent: 02 August 2005 10:44 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox JS Image function G'day The

[WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread David Nicol
Hello everyone, I would really appreciate your comments about our recently redeveloped http://www.salmonrecipes.net/ site. Please do not be scared to be critical. I'm keen to improve the site in any way possible, so please let me know what you think we could do better. FYI, I'm not convinced

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread Prabhath Sirisena
Hi David, I would really appreciate your comments about our recently redeveloped http://www.salmonrecipes.net/ site. Please do not be scared to be critical. I'm keen to improve the site in any way possible, so please let me know what you think we could do better. Beautiful site. Um, not

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread Joshua Street
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:46 +0100, David Nicol wrote: I would really appreciate your comments about our recently redeveloped http://www.salmonrecipes.net/ site. Just quickly... wow. I didn't know a site about fish could look so good :P Except for the flickery monstrosity at the top (banner ad

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread David Nicol
Prabhath, Thanks for your thoughts about the Advanced Search - I totally agree that we need to improve this element. We'll experiment with some ideas. Regarding the banner, we will be selling this space again soon. I'm not sure if it would be sensible to retain a 'veto' on the banner designs

Re: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Terrence Wood
yes, labels are clickable for system level checkboxes in MacOS X (10.3.5 at least) kind regards Terrence Wood. On 2 Aug 2005, at 9:54 PM, Patrick Lauke wrote: +1 from me on that one. I'll email Dave later today (if people can confirm that it can be interpreted as a possible UAAG

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread Leslie Riggs
Beautiful! It's just that the banner ad is rather jarring in its present location. Anything you can do about that? When I see salmonrecipes.com with the ad right next to it, it's a bit confusing. Others have given you just the input I would have given. Obviously you put a lot of thought

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread David Laakso
David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone, I would really appreciate your comments about our recently redeveloped http://www.salmonrecipes.net/ site. David Nice stuff(I mean Salmon), David. I had to go rather extraordinary means to find any problem-- if, in fact, some of these browsers are even

Re: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 2 Aug 2005, at 6:54 pm, Patrick Lauke wrote: Now, as I'm not a Mac person I don't know if OS X's system wide convention for checkboxes and such (in things like OS dialog boxes, for instance) is indeed that you can click the label to activate/focus. Oh, yes they are, at least since

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread Matt Harris
Nicely done! I have a quick question for you (or anyone)... what is the purpose of this code? #content-ctr:after{ display:block; visibility:hidden; content:.; clear:both; height:0; }/* \*/* html #content-ctr{height:1%}/* */ -- Thanks! Matt Harris www.focusontheclouds.com On 8/2/05, David Laakso

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread David Nicol
Leslie, Thanks for your input - we are working on the banner ad issue now. The short term solution is to find a better advert to place on the site - in the longer term, I think we may find an altogether better way to use this space. David (Laakso) Many thanks for the BrowserCam link - I must

RE: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread Ed Henderson
Initial comment, since the site is all about Salmon, probably not worth repeating it in the navigation buttons: Cooking Salmon - Cooking Buy Salmon - Buy Salmon Resources - Resources Apart from that, initial look, looks nice. And it being lunch time and all! Regards Ed Henderson Web Man

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread David Nicol
Matt, I'm reliably informed by our in-house CSS 'guru' that you'll find your answer here@ http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html Hope this makes some sense. Cheers David On 8/2/05, Matt Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicely done! I have a quick question for you (or

[WSG] Re: [css-d] Newbie needs help PLEASE

2005-08-02 Thread dszady
Mark Lundquist wrote: On Aug 1, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Matthew Ohlman wrote: Jon Trelfa wrote: [...] Javascript in a script element is another story, though. There you'll routinely find '' and '', and those do need to be escaped. But again, it has nothing to do with hiding the Javascript

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread David Nicol
Ed I'm inclined to agree with you about there being no need to duplicate 'salmon' so much. We did debate this quite a lot in the office, and I suspect we'll change this next time we do any work on the menu system. cheers David On 8/2/05, Ed Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Initial

Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread David Laakso
Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) wrote: In light of the Broadleaf discussion/brawl the other week, I have a new proposal for you. In this case, bandwidth was critical due to the existing site’s traffic base and formed a major design goal. http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/

RE: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread Tatham Oddie \(Fuel Advance\)
David, Tidy Online will eliminate all the white space on your file. The page is dynamically generated, hence all the weird tabbing that steps in an out. I'll get a server side filter working shortly that does that kind of stuff. Why are you using XHTML 1.1? Why not? Am I missing something

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread Matt Harris
Thanks, David!On 8/2/05, David Nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt,I'm reliably informed by our in-house CSS 'guru' that you'll find youranswer here@http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html Hope this makes some sense.CheersDavid

RE: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
Lauke Patrick Mental note 2 - send something off to Dave Hyatt to find out if this can be/will be fixed. +1 from me on that one. I'll email Dave later today (if people can confirm that it can be interpreted as a possible UAAG requirement, so it adds a bit more clout to the

[WSG] Styling Form Elements

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Found this article on styling form elements (http://www.picment.com/ articles/css/funwithforms/), unfortunately, it fails in Safari. Any suggestions or filters for making a suitable presentation in Safari? C ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Don't have time to nit-pick, going for Salmon. You've certainly achieved your marketing goals! C On Aug 2, 2005, at 3:46 AM, David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone, I would really appreciate your comments about our recently redeveloped http://www.salmonrecipes.net/ site. Please do not be

[WSG] Default Character Encoding

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, I opened a blank CSS document in Dreamweaver, this was inserted at the beginning: @charset utf-8; I get that it's importing the utf-8 character set, is this needed in the CSS document? C ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread David Laakso
Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) wrote: David, Tidy Online will eliminate all the white space on your file. The page is dynamically generated, hence all the weird tabbing that steps in an out. I'll get a server side filter working shortly that does that kind of stuff. Why are you

Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:35:34 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: readable, usable, accessible content Is the page breaking in one of your browsers? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:

RE: [WSG] Default Character Encoding

2005-08-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
Leslie Riggs I opened a blank CSS document in Dreamweaver, this was inserted at the beginning: @charset utf-8; I get that it's importing the utf-8 character set, is this needed in the CSS document? I don't use that; I declare the character encoding in the webpage. The

Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread David Laakso
Tom Livingston wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:35:34 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: readable, usable, accessible content Is the page breaking in one of your browsers? No, this page http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx is not breaking in any of my

Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:36:39 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, this page http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx is not breaking in any of my browsers. Regards, David Laakso So, XHTML 1.1 is bad because? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist

Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net

2005-08-02 Thread David Nicol
Hi again everyone, Thanks for your continued positive comments. FYI, we have changed the banner ad to something more in-keeping with the rest of the site. Hope you like it. Felix ... thanks for the many links. I'll look at them all, and willl discuss the matters in question with the team here.

Re: [WSG] Default Character Encoding

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, When is the at rule needed, other than @import, I understand. But @page @media @charset. I've never seen them used in practical settings? C On Aug 2, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: Leslie Riggs I opened a blank CSS document in Dreamweaver, this was inserted at the

[WSG] Dot leaders - check please?

2005-08-02 Thread designer
I have been looking at methods to produce dot leaders, and many seem to use tables to do it. Others seem to have classitis. I have knocked up a method using a dashed background gif in a list item, whilst trying to keep the code to a minimum. It seems to work OK in FF, IE5.5 and 6, Opera 8,

Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread David Laakso
Tom Livingston wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:36:39 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, this page http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx is not breaking in any of my browsers. Regards, David Laakso So, XHTML 1.1 is bad because? Hi Tom, Tatham has

Re: [WSG] Default Character Encoding

2005-08-02 Thread taka1112
Hello. my first post. [C wrote]: When is the at rule needed, other than @import, I understand. But @page @media @charset. I've never seen them used in practical settings? @page isn't supported by many browsers, and annulled in CSS2.1. @media isn't, too. Because most people use external CSS

[WSG] Regexp vs indexOf (followup on: Opening external links)

2005-08-02 Thread Ben Curtis
On Aug 2, 2005, at 1:45 AM, Andrew Krespanis wrote: On 8/2/05, Ben Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good catch. Now we're talking a good excuse for regular expressions. Instead of my recommendation of: a[i].getAttribute('href').toUpperCase().indexOf(HTTP://) == 0 ...I now recommend:

Re: [WSG] Dot leaders - check please?

2005-08-02 Thread Paul Novitski
At 11:13 AM 8/2/2005, designer wrote: I have been looking at methods to produce dot leaders, and many seem to use tables to do it. Others seem to have classitis. I have knocked up a method using a dashed background gif in a list item, whilst trying to keep the code to a minimum. ... I'd be

[WSG] Need help with centering and then some

2005-08-02 Thread Tom Livingston
Hello list, Two things if you can spare a moment or two. http://www.mlinc.com/test/trans_test_intra.html 1. Are the embedded styles here at all wacky? In Opera Mac, resizing the page causes the text links to jump around... 2. If the CSS is ok, does anyone know, in FF Mac (1.0.5) and Opera

Re: [WSG] Need help with centering and then some

2005-08-02 Thread dwain
Tom Livingston wrote: Hello list, Two things if you can spare a moment or two. http://www.mlinc.com/test/trans_test_intra.html 1. Are the embedded styles here at all wacky? In Opera Mac, resizing the page causes the text links to jump around... 2. If the CSS is ok, does anyone know, in FF

Re: [WSG] Need help with centering and then some

2005-08-02 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:12:52 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: Hello list, drop down menu in ff 1.0.6 w2k sp4 works, but resize to 800x600 using dev tool bar and it doesn't. hth, dwain David, only errors left involve the embed tags and I don't know how to make

Re: [WSG] Regexp vs indexOf (followup on: Opening external links)

2005-08-02 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Ben Curtis wrote: But, honestly -- fractions of a millisecond. The only concerns I have for the equation are: 1- if it's unobtrusively applied, then is it bullet proof (that is, can it give a false positive a non-scriptor will have to contend with)? 2- is it easy to read, understand, and

Re: [WSG] Need help with centering and then some

2005-08-02 Thread dwain
Tom Livingston wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:12:52 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: Hello list, drop down menu in ff 1.0.6 w2k sp4 works, but resize to 800x600 using dev tool bar and it doesn't. hth, dwain David, only errors left involve the embed tags and I

Re: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?

2005-08-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Jim Allan wrote: UAAG does not require explicit or implicit labeling of form controls. Nor does the HTML 4.01 specification [1]. And we're not disputing that, as it's squarely a WCAG issue at that point. UAAG requires that the user agent: 1) provide a content focus for enabled

RE: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread Peter Williams
From: Tom Livingston So, XHTML 1.1 is bad because? Is there an issue that XHTML 1.1 should be served as media type application/xhtml+xml and should not be served as text/html? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/ As I understand it current browsers aren't well equipped to deal with

Re: [WSG] Regexp vs indexOf (followup on: Opening external links)

2005-08-02 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Thanks for clearing that up Ben! Always glad to be told I'm wrong if I can walk away from it having learnt something ;) Cheers, Andrew. On 8/3/05, Ben Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is outdated information, apparently. I had heard the same, and was curious if things had changed since

RE: [WSG] Site Check: VVE

2005-08-02 Thread Tatham Oddie \(Fuel Advance\)
David, One of the main advantages of XHTML for us is that we can use XML storage for the CMS, and just plug this straight into the page. The whole thing is XML. :-) Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Need help with centering and then some

2005-08-02 Thread Dejan Kozina
This is what you're looking for: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ Tom Livingston wrote: only errors left involve the embed tags and I don't know how to make the Validator happy with it. djn -- Dejan Kozina Dolina 346 (TS) - I-34018 Italy tel./fax: +39 040 228 436 - cell.:

Re: [WSG] Styling Form Elements

2005-08-02 Thread David Hucklesby
Chris Kennon wrote:  Found this article on styling form elements  (http://www.picment.com/ articles/css/funwithforms/),  unfortunately, it fails in Safari.  Any suggestions or filters for  making a suitable presentation in Safari? Chris, Styling forms can be an exercise in frustration. 456 Berea