Re: [WSG] standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources

[Zulema]

Jay Gilmore wrote:


I am honestly looking for resources. Any help in this would be great.

Jay


For some Javascript sources:

I sometimes turn to DynWeb:
http://www.dyn-web.com/

or Dithered:
http://www.dithered.com/index.html

These aren't as robust as HotScripts, but it's past my bedtime. ;)

I hope that helps,
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Re: [WSG] standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources

[Jay Gilmore]

I am honestly looking for resources. Any help in this would be great. 

Jay

Jay Gilmore wrote:

  
I wanted to know if there are resources like HotScripts etc. that
provide code that is standards oriented, semantic and use valid and/or
strict doctypes? I hate always having to hack the hell out of scripts
etc to remove tables and replace semantics etc. 
  
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Re: [WSG] Konquerer becomes the 2nd browser to pass Acid2

[liorean]

On 01/12/05, Jason Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Safari was the first wasn't it?

Yep. And iCab 3 developer builds reportedly support it too.

> Hope a Windows browser manages that soon... :(

Konqueror on Win32 isn't entirely unthinkable. The rest?

Well, Mozilla tends to have quite long development cycles, and they
just ended one.
Chris Wilson stated on IEBlog that IE7 will not pass Acid2 when
shipping, which would mean Acid2 in iew is deferred to yet future
releases.
Opera is close already, only having problems with the eyes part. So my
bet would be on Opera being the first Windows browser to pass it.
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Re: [WSG] Konquerer becomes the 2nd browser to pass Acid2

[Jason Foss]

Safari was the first wasn't it?

Hope a Windows browser manages that soon... :(

On 30/11/05, James Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
>
>  Just read this via KDE dot news (http://dot.kde.org/1133270759/)
>
>  "Konqueror is the second major web browser to pass the Acid2 CSS test,
> ahead of Firefox and Internet Explorer"
>  http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php
>
>  This was done in June 2005 but was only ported to a stable branch released
> today. Bravo Konqi and a good day for better standards support. Both Konq
> and Safari share a similar codebase (KHTML : http://khtml.info ).
>
>  Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Browser check & Site crit please

[Steve Ferguson]

On Nov 29, 2005, at 5:59 AM, Richard Stephenson wrote:



I have been working on my blog

http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk

for a while and it works ok in my browsers FF an IE6 on the pc but i
have no access to mac browsers and little experince of mac css
bugs/filters.
Any help/advice/critisism will be greatfully recieved.

The side bar has rendering problems under safari 2.0.1. See illumit.com/reports/donkeymagic.png>


On my little ibook the main tabs are kind of small and hard to read.

There are a few HTML conformance problems (didn't seem to cause any  
problem with Safari) and one broken link. See 


Hope that helps,
Steve Ferguson - WebLight Developer - http://illumit.com/Products/ 
weblight/



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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[Alan Trick]

On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:44 -0800, Ted Drake wrote:
> Firefox has just officially released 1.5
> http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html
> 
> It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
> pleasantly surprised.
> 
> Ted 

Great. I hope they fixed the copy-and-paste issues in linux. Those were
really anoying because they would lock up your whole screen.

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

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On 30/11/05 9:39 PM, "Rimantas Liubertas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> 
>>  The Mac version of HTMLTidy doesn't work under 1.5, which actually prevents
>> me from upgrading on my work machine, as I use this all the time as a handy
>> shortcut for picking up validation errors (and puts this thread vaguely
>> on-topic too). The PC version works, so I'll be upgrading my PC for sure.
>> 
> 
> Version which I got from
> http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html worked
> on 1.5RC just fine.
> 
> Regards,
> Rimantas

Ah, thanks Rimantas - last time I checked (a couple of weeks ago), the 0.7.6
version for Mac wasn't there, only the older 0.6.2 version (which definitely
doesn't work with FF1.5).

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Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Jay Gilmore]

Stephen
Stagg wrote:
 
>
Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web 
>
Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?
 
 
>>Yes.
When I choose this option, it refreshes the page but all the images 
>>still seem to appear.
>>When I disabled images at first, it
didn’t disable
them but I’ve gone back to a number of sites and my images are
disabled. Now I
can’t get them back on!
>>Bill Scheider

I ended up uninstalling FF1.5 and deleting my profile and reinstalling
all my extenstions. The only bad thing about this is that I neglected
to backup the stored passwords data and now I have to remember all my
passwords. Darn.

-Best,


Jay




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RE: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[bill]

 
  
  Stephen
  Stagg wrote:
   
  > Is it
  just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web 
  >
  Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?
   
   
  Yes. When
  I choose this option, it refreshes the page but all the images 
  
 




still seem to appear.

When I disabled images at first, it didn’t disable
them but I’ve gone back to a number of sites and my images are disabled. Now I
can’t get them back on!

Bill Scheider


 
  
   
  
 


 












 
  
   
  
 


 



 

Re: [WSG] Javascript dependant devices

[Alan Trick]

Text browsers: there are a few like links that are exeptions to this
rule.

Normal browsers with Javascript turned off. You might be surprises how
many people do that. Internet Explorer has a serious JS vulnerability so
it would make sense for those users to turn it off.

Search Engines

Rendering engines in email clients. I would assume that most have it
turned off by default. An exception might be Outlook as it has a pretty
low security level.

Any other robot crawling your site for some reason or another.

Depending one the situation - a particular peice of javascript might
cause issues with some browsers. Particularly people using things like
greasemonkey.

As far as mobile devices are conserned - most of them do not. Trying to
implement javascript in a mobile device is quite difficult. There are
some though that are working on it. I don't know if there in use though.

Alan Trick

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 12:44 +1100, Herrod, Lisa wrote:
> 
> can anyone point me to an up to date list of browsers and devices that
> either do not support Javascript or whose functionality is impeded by
> JS? 

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Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Sigurd Magnusson]

  

  



  Stephen Stagg wrote:

> Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web 
> Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?
>
> Stephen
>
Yes. When I choose this option, it refreshes the page but all the images 
still seem to appear.
In addition, the "view style information" (under CSS) is greyed out, 
very annoying.

   
  

  
  


  
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Re: [WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution

[Christian Montoya]

On 11/30/05, bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The most important reason is that if the image is not loaded, and the
> alt tag is displayed, it is plain text and belongs in a paragraph.
>
> Hi,
>
> And is that valid? I always though that using a  tag on an image was
> considered poor practice.
>
> Bil scheider

Where did you hear that? I could be wrong, but the validator doesn't
mind, and I haven't seen any recommendations from the W3C against it.
If you look at the drafts for XHTML 2, you'll see they are heading in
the opposite direction; "img" tags are dropped entirely, and instead
the following is preferred:

< p src="image.png" > This is fallback text < /p >

If the image is there, it replaces the paragraph, and exists as a
paragraph. If not, the text is handled normally. Using < p > < img
alt="This is fallback text" / > < /p > for now seems like a good
semantic solution.

I think the way to look at this is that semantics wins. If you have an
alt tag, you want the semantics of a paragraph. If the alt tag is
empty, you want a weightless div. One way or another it has to be
inside a block level element, IMO.

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RE: [WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution

[Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox]

Hmm, aah ok, so you are saying, the  tag is for the alternate text, I
guess that could make sense, never though about it that way.

thanks

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RE: [WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution

[bill]

The most important reason is that if the image is not loaded, and the
alt tag is displayed, it is plain text and belongs in a paragraph. 

Hi, 

And is that valid? I always though that using a  tag on an image was
considered poor practice.

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Re: [WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution

[Christian Montoya]

On 11/30/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On www.brisbane-webdesign.com there are two background images on the page,
> both included within the mark-up instead of in the CSS as a background.
> The reason for doing this is so that the background stretches when the
> browser is resized, what I wonder is; is there a better way to do this?

Not yet, as far as I know.

> Also, why does the mark-up provided by W3C for the Valid HTML img (see
> bottom of the page) have a  element? Surely it is not a paragraph, is it?

The most important reason is that if the image is not loaded, and the
alt tag is displayed, it is plain text and belongs in a paragraph. If
you have an image with an empty alt tag, then it might make more sense
to enclose it in a div.


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[WSG] Wanted: standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources

[Jay Gilmore]

I wanted to know if there are resources like HotScripts etc. that
provide code that is standards oriented, semantic and use valid and/or
strict doctypes? I hate always having to hack the hell out of scripts
etc to remove tables and replace semantics etc. 

Jay
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[WSG] Off-List[installing Xalan-C++ version 1.10]

[Chris Kennon]

Hi,

Would someone knowledge please email off-list with instructions on  
installing Xalan-C++ for Mac OS 10.4, and any other XSLT paser for  
use with Terminal.




Sincerely,
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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[Chris Kennon]

Hi Jay,

What extensions are you running. You can reply off-list, if desired.

Chris
On Nov 29, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Jay Gilmore wrote:




Felix Miata wrote:


Does the Web Developer Extension run in it with your old profile  
without fussing with it? I've been using both, but web dev only in  
1.0.7 and separate profiles for each.


Yes. I just installed 1.5 into the 1.07 folder and of the 20  
extensions I have installed only 3 didn't update or function.



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Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Lachlan Hunt]

Stephen Stagg wrote:

Is it just me or does the 'Disable Images' option on the Web Developers
Toolbar not work with FF1.5?


Although this is off-topic for this list, I believe it's a known 
incompatibility in version 0.9.4 that appears to have been fixed in the 
latest beta version 0.9.9.


http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/beta/

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Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Jay Gilmore]

Stephen Stagg wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Is it just me or does the
‘Disable Images’
option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?
   
  Stephen
  

Isn't working on mine either. Images disappear for 2 seconds and reload.



Jay Gilmore

RE: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Patrick Lauke]

> Stuart Sherwood

> Outline selected isn't working properly for me either.
> 
> Stephen Stagg wrote:
> 
> > Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web 
> > Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?

Did you do a clean install (with a fresh profile) or an upgrade? Sometimes, 
although it shouldn't happen, an upgrade can leave some rubbish behind that 
prevents things from working 100%.

P

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Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Stuart Sherwood]

Outline selected isn't working properly for me either.

Stephen Stagg wrote:

Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web 
Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?


Stephen


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Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Stuart Sherwood]

You're right, it doesn't work.

Stephen Stagg wrote:

Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web 
Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?


Stephen


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Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Artemis]

It works on mine.. but took a few seconds.

Artemis

 Original Message 
From: "Stephen Stagg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Date: 11/30/2005 05:06

  
  
  
  
  Is it just me or does the
‘Disable Images’
option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?
   
  Stephen
  

Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[Artemis]

*Grin*

I just thought it was cool that this type of _javascript_ is
rendering(?) better in this new version ;) It's a habbit for me to
notice graphics first before I notice anything else.

Artemis

 Original Message 
From: "Patrick Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re:[WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
Date: 11/30/2005 03:55

  
Artemis

  
  
  
  
the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5.

  
  
"Firefox 1.5 - now with even smoother snow!"

Now that's a new marketing angle... :)

P

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[WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

[Stephen Stagg]

Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’
option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5?

 

Stephen

RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[Patrick Lauke]

> Artemis

> the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5.

"Firefox 1.5 - now with even smoother snow!"

Now that's a new marketing angle... :)

P

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[Marko Mihelcic - founder of mcville.net (http.//www.mcville.net)|(http://board.mcville.net)]

hm m8 can you send me via mail that snow script !?
2005/11/30, Artemis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I upgraded and so far I'm happy with it. :)
>
> I did notice one thing right off the bat. I have one of those snow
> falling java scripts on my personal blog (I don't normaly use those
> types of java scripts on my sites.. and never on a business site), and
> the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5. It's not something anyone else
> would really notice, but since I go to my personal blog several times a
> day I noticed right away that the snow looks much better.
>
> Artemis
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Ted Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
> Date: 11/29/2005 15:44
>
> >Firefox has just officially released 1.5
> >http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html
> >
> >It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
> >pleasantly surprised.
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[WSG] Konquerer becomes the 2nd browser to pass Acid2

[James Ellis]

Hi all

Just read this via KDE dot news (http://dot.kde.org/1133270759/)

"Konqueror is the second major web browser to pass the Acid2 CSS test, ahead of Firefox and Internet Explorer"
http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php

This was done in June 2005 but was only ported to a stable branch
released today. Bravo Konqi and a good day for better standards
support. Both Konq and Safari share a similar codebase (KHTML :
http://khtml.info ).

Cheers
James

Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[Artemis]

I upgraded and so far I'm happy with it. :)

I did notice one thing right off the bat. I have one of those snow 
falling java scripts on my personal blog (I don't normaly use those 
types of java scripts on my sites.. and never on a business site), and 
the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5. It's not something anyone else 
would really notice, but since I go to my personal blog several times a 
day I noticed right away that the snow looks much better.


Artemis

 Original Message 
From: "Ted Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
Date: 11/29/2005 15:44


Firefox has just officially released 1.5
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html

It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
pleasantly surprised.

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[Rimantas Liubertas]

>
>  The Mac version of HTMLTidy doesn't work under 1.5, which actually prevents
> me from upgrading on my work machine, as I use this all the time as a handy
> shortcut for picking up validation errors (and puts this thread vaguely
> on-topic too). The PC version works, so I'll be upgrading my PC for sure.
>

Version which I got from
http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html worked
on 1.5RC just fine.

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[WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution

[Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox]

On www.brisbane-webdesign.com there 
are two background images on the page, both included within the mark-up 
instead of in the CSS as a background.
The reason for doing 
this is so that the background stretches when the browser is resized, what I 
wonder is; is there a better way to do this?
 
Also, why does 
the mark-up provided by W3C for the Valid HTML img (see bottom of the 
page) have a  element? Surely it is not a paragraph, is 
it?
 
Kind 
regards,
 
Taco Fleur - Chief Executive OfficerPacific 
Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an 
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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[James Ellis]

Hi all

Just a quick reminder that the WSG "on-topic sphere" doesn't include
software support , like broken extensions. In this case you will
probably get the best responses at the mozilla support sites.

Discussion of browsers and their standards support (or not) is, of course, on topic.

Cheers
James
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Re: [WSG] Browser check & Site crit please

[Richard Stephenson]

Thanks for the advice. I've never used mailing lists before. I usually
just google stuff! but this one seems very helpful.

On 11/30/05, Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/29/05 5:59 AM "Richard Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this
> out:
>
> > Hi everyone, I just joined this list
>
> I like it when there's a site identifier in the subject of the emails.
> Doesn't have to be the site name (so your customer won't find it) but just
> some identifier like "problems with Mac browsers?" or "float problems" or
> such.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[Choan C. Gálvez]

Jay Gilmore wrote:
The one extension set that no longer works and I haven't found a 
solution is the libraries for Spellbound. I am not sure where to find 
the libraries. They are available at for Thunderbird. I really do use it 
alot for blogging and forum posting.


Check .

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[felix . zapata]

Hi, after updated to firefox 1.5 some extensions didn´t work

- Document Map
- Fangs Screen
- Switchproxy
- Taw3
- Measureit
- Hera tool
- Web color names

bye

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