Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread Geoff Deering
Lea de Groot wrote: On 10/12/2005, at 1:53 PM, Brian Cummiskey wrote: I wonder how many visits google gets in a day... Probably in the billions - plenty of people have it as their homepage. Of course, there'd be a lot of caching happening... Lea

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread matt andrews
On 10/12/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/9/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/12/2005, at 1:20 AM, matt andrews wrote: Hi Lea, I completely agree. Google have somehow developed a blind spot when it comes to meeting even the basics of current web

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/10/05, matt andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/12/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt's example has more text, which explains the difference... and imagine if the CSS and JS were in an external file... how often do people reuse Google throughout the day? If all

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread Christian Montoya
Don't you just love W3C recommendations? Google is stuck farther into the dark ages than we all thought... I just realized Google's logo is a GIF image, and you know what that means... so I downloaded it, opened it with the GIMP, and saved it as a PNG with the highest compression. The GIF: 8.35

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
... Updated valid page, based on the above: http://xomerang.com/testpages/google/validGoogle.html (1,953 bytes) Ok I took your version and got it to extreme: http://rimantas.com/bits/google/google1.html (1729 bytes). What I did: got rid of some optional tags, shortened name of CSS file to

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread liorean
I feel you are forgetting a number of things. - Response times: Response times are every bit as important to Google as bandwidth usage is. A user should never have to wait for the Google page, or the Google search results. Ever. CSS and JavaScript in separate files means the browser needs two

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/10/05, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel you are forgetting a number of things. - Response times: - Hidden bandwidth consumption: - Obvious bandwidth consumption: See Rimantas' version... I think you are focusing too much on the specific implementation of standards, and not the

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread liorean
On 10/12/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See Rimantas' version... I think you are focusing too much on the specific implementation of standards, and not the simple fact that if Google used standards, they would save a lot. At least Rimantas thought ahead and solved these

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/10/05, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Dynamic elements: Things such as being logged in/not logged in, having Google Desktop or not, sponsored links, search listings etc. all need be take in consideration. How? What does that have to do with it? Consider the entire

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
... I'm wondering what led MSN to go with external files, and Yahoo with CSS in the header. MSN is obviously much more optomized than Yahoo (the yahoo markup is a mess), and I'm thinking MSN might have picked the right choice. Their CSS file is massive and probably covers all the internal

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-10 Thread Geoff Deering
liorean wrote: Consider the entire www.google.com site. Or at least the search part of it. You probably want to create one stylesheet file and one javascript file for the entire thing, probably sent compressed if client supports it, so it gets cached and not requested again in that browser

[WSG] li background image

2005-12-10 Thread Nathan Wheatley
Hello World, I wish to make a horizontal unordered list, in which each li has a background image. I am having trouble getting the image to display properly, and I was wondering if you guys could lend a hand. Below is the html and css I used for the unordered list. I have no idea if it is valid

Re: [WSG] li background image

2005-12-10 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/10/05, Nathan Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello World, I wish to make a horizontal unordered list, in which each li has a background image. I am having trouble getting the image to display properly, and I was wondering if you guys could lend a hand. Below is the html and css I

Re: [WSG] Need help with form

2005-12-10 Thread Terrence Wood
On 8 Dec 2005, at 8:17 PM, Joshua Street wrote: input name=navn value= type=text You're using the name attribute, which isn't valid the name attribute *is* valid for form controls, but not other elements in XHTML strict. kind regards Terrence Wood

Re: [WSG] Need help with form

2005-12-10 Thread Joshua Street
Ah, my bad. I'd seen it misused/causing validation errors in the past, so assumed that it was just not to be used at all. Josh On 12/11/05, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8 Dec 2005, at 8:17 PM, Joshua Street wrote: input name=navn value= type=text You're using the name

Re: [WSG] li background image

2005-12-10 Thread Nathan Wheatley
Right. I set up a page with what I am after, and implement all your suggestions as they come in. Starting with yours. http://www.chiefcodemonkey.com/awbn2/ There is the address. I made the changes you stated. It now throws the allignmenat all out of whack. Can I assume that you were expecting