Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions

2007-05-29 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 5/28/07, Mark Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently looking for a cost-effective (preferably opensource) solution to run our companies UK based web site. If you can afford to wait a few months, Magento is open-source and looks to be pretty good: http://www.magentocommerce.com/

Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ?

2007-05-29 Thread Steve Olive
On Tue, 29 May 2007 01:51:16 am Kevin Ross wrote: Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... Regards, Kevin. Have you tried looking at http://www.opensourcecms.com/? They have working installations of all Open Source CMS that you can try as user and administrator. Sit down with the

Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions

2007-05-29 Thread Steve Olive
On Tue, 29 May 2007 06:20:05 am Mark Hedley wrote: Hi everyone. I am currently looking for a cost-effective (preferably opensource) solution to run our companies UK based web site. Have you looked at the e-Commerce section at http://www.opensourcecms.com? -- Regards, Steve Bathurst

Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions

2007-05-29 Thread Micky Hulse
Micky Hulse wrote: You might want to look at these sites: http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ http://start.websitebaker.org/en/introduction.html Doh, just noticed I pasted the website baker url in the wrong spot, I meant to suggest these two sites: http://www.cmsmatrix.org/

RE: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

2007-05-29 Thread michael.brockington
Marvin, I for one don't really understand what it is that you are trying to achieve, but then that may partly be the language barrier! Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marvin hunkin Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:04 AM

[WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Check the guidelines - if

Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ?

2007-05-29 Thread Nick Roper
Hi Mark, Have you looked at Karova? www.karova.com It is XML/XSLT based, so that may be an issue if you want a PHP based solution, but you can get in and edit the XSLTs and of course CSS, so it is pretty flexible and compliant. Not sure about the Protx support. One thing to be aware of is

Re: [WSG] need help with tabular interface

2007-05-29 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 29 May 2007, at 02:10:02, Sander Aarts wrote: I'm glad the designers I work with know that rounded corners can be a real pain in the ass, so they always ask before implementing them in the design. I want your designers! ;-) -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/25/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not causing validation issues does not make them fine; even if the vast majority of user agents don't respect it, img / in an HTML document means An image element followed by a greater than sign. The HTML specification explicitly advises authors

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread David Dorward
On 29 May 2007, at 12:50, Alastair Campbell wrote: On 5/25/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not causing validation issues does not make them fine; even if the vast majority of user agents don't respect it, img / in an HTML document means An image element followed by a greater than

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 29, 2007, at 9:26 AM, David Dorward wrote: Because, in an HTML document, an XHTML style img tag unambiguously means An image element followed by a greater than sign. Sorry to be dense, I'm trying to grasp this concept. Does (at least strictly speaking) the inclusion of a forward

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread David Dorward
On 29 May 2007, at 14:55, Andrew Maben wrote: On May 29, 2007, at 9:26 AM, David Dorward wrote: Because, in an HTML document, an XHTML style img tag unambiguously means An image element followed by a greater than sign. Sorry to be dense, I'm trying to grasp this concept. Does (at least

[WSG] Out of office - Stuart McPhail

2007-05-29 Thread stuart
Thank you for your email. I am out of the office until Monday 4th June. Stuart *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Assistive technology off topic??? On Tue, May 29, 2007 11:52 am, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list.

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/29/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because, in an HTML document, an XHTML style img tag unambiguously means An image element followed by a greater than sign. I still can't see where it says that in the spec, do you need to know the SGML spec as well? It seems strange that the

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Jamie Collins
Assistive Technology is by no means off topic when Web Standards are involved. On 5/29/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assistive technology off topic??? On Tue, May 29, 2007 11:52 am, NickGleitzman wrote: Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT?

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Barney Carroll
Nick Gleitzman wrote: Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Stuart Foulstone wrote: Assistive technology off topic??? It's worth making the point: Don't get intimidated by this - JAWS is a perfectly legitimate thing to discuss here. Regards, Barney

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Assistive technology off topic??? How to use JAWS to work with Photoshop or similar apps to create/manipulate graphics seems a bit far from web standards, so I'd agree OT. P -- Patrick H. Lauke

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 29 May 2007, at 15:58:53, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Assistive technology off topic??? Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Use of assistive technology with desktop applications doesn't

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
I still can't see where it says that in the spec, do you need to know the SGML spec as well? It seems strange that the closing slash is taken as the close, rather than the greater than sign, is that in the HTML spec somewhere? http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/sgmldecl.html FEATURES, SHORTTAG

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/29/07, Rimantas Liubertas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/sgmldecl.html FEATURES, SHORTTAG YES I guess from that I should deduce that I do need to know the SGML spec to know that a slash will terminate a tag? I hope HTML5 does away with this... -Alastair

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jamie Collins wrote: Assistive Technology is by no means off topic when Web Standards are involved. !? and Web Standards and Photoshop intersect exactly where? :-) -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 ===

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 29 May 2007, at 16:14:53, Alastair Campbell wrote: On 5/29/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because, in an HTML document, an XHTML style img tag unambiguously means An image element followed by a greater than sign. I still can't see where it says that in the spec, do you need to

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 29 May 2007, at 16:20:28, Barney Carroll wrote: It's worth making the point: Don't get intimidated by this - JAWS is a perfectly legitimate thing to discuss here. Only in connection with its use in conjunction with a web browser. Would you argue that a discussion of the use of Jaws with

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread liorean
On 29/05/07, Alastair Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/29/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because, in an HTML document, an XHTML style img tag unambiguously means An image element followed by a greater than sign. I still can't see where it says that in the spec, do you need

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Barney Carroll
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Would you argue that a discussion of the use of Jaws with Microsoft Excel (which is, judging by the manufacturer's FAQs, one of its commonest uses) is related to Web Standards? Only if the .csv was downloaded off the cybercom. A statement in the root post would easily

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Jamie Collins
If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said. Do you see the part that says'When Web Standards Are Involved'? I didnt mention photoshop anywere, i said when Web Standards are Involved. So since when does Photoshop mean Web Standards? Because i didn't say that. On 5/29/07,

[WSG] Firefox Wmode

2007-05-29 Thread John Gribben
Hello, Does anyone have any experience dealing with the bug in Firefox that disables mouseover events in Flash when the animation file is placed in an absolutely positioned element and the Wmode parameter of the animation is set to transparent or opaque? I've built a page where an animation

[WSG] Web Accessibility Update from Shawn Henry, London, Tuesday 5 June

2007-05-29 Thread Swan, Henny
Hi All, Shawn Henry will be speaking about Web accessibility in London next week at a free event at the University of Westminster hosted by RNIB. Shawn will mostly talk about Web guidelines and standards, and also talk a little about the relationship between accessibility and usability and

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
Thanks Liorean, On 5/29/07, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in the same way you can't know XHTML if you have no knowledge of XML, you can't really know HTML 2-4.01 with no knowledge of SGML. You don't need to know all of SGML however, just the subset that is used for HTML. It seems

Re: [WSG] Web Accessibility Update from Shawn Henry, London, Tuesday 5 June

2007-05-29 Thread McLaughlin, Gail G
By an chance will Shawn's talk be available via web conferencing or telephone or podcast? On 5/29/07 11:19 AM, Swan, Henny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Shawn Henry will be speaking about Web accessibility in London next week at a free event at the University of Westminster hosted by

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jamie Collins wrote: If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said. If you read the original posting properly... :-) Do you see the part that says'When Web Standards Are Involved'? I didnt mention photoshop anywere, i said when Web Standards are Involved. To quote the OP:

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 29 May 2007, at 17:32:08, Alastair Campbell wrote: It seems strange that the closing slash is taken as the close, rather than the greater than sign, is that in the HTML spec somewhere? Yes, in the SGML declaration. Which someone linked to earlier, and I still can't translate to see

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Robert O'Rourke
I think it would be more useful to try an work out where Marvin is coming from when he mentions those two programs. He's on a web design course and has some awareness of web standards and that it's good to support screen readers. Some of these courses are still teaching 'Save as HTML' and

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread liorean
On 29/05/07, Alastair Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/29/07, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems strange that the closing slash is taken as the close, rather than the greater than sign, is that in the HTML spec somewhere? Yes, in the SGML declaration. Which someone linked to

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/29/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic under discussion is, as I mentioned in my earlier post, mentioned in HTML 4.01 at http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/notes.html#h-B.3.7 as being something with poor support in HTML user agents. Which I read, thank you, but unless

RE: [WSG] Web Accessibility Update from Shawn Henry, London, Tuesday 5 June

2007-05-29 Thread Steve Green
I'll be there. Anyone else? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Swan, Henny Sent: 29 May 2007 17:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Web Accessibility Update from Shawn Henry, London, Tuesday 5 June Hi All, Shawn Henry

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Jamie Collins
The bottom line is, yes its ok to discuss Jaws as long as its related to Web Standards. Obviously photoshop has no relation to Web Standards, so the point of this topic is useless, next time reporting the issue to an Admin may be a better idea :) On 5/29/07, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Web Accessibility Update from Shawn Henry, London, Tuesday 5 June

2007-05-29 Thread Swan, Henny
I'll be blogging it in the RNIB Web Access Centre blog (www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog) and am hoping to also podcast it after the event. Henny -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McLaughlin, Gail G Sent: 29 May 2007 17:36 To:

RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode

2007-05-29 Thread ByteDreams
Have you checked the adobe site for info? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Gribben Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:28 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Firefox Wmode Hello, Does anyone have any experience dealing with the bug in Firefox

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Jason Pruim
On 5/29/07, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie Collins wrote: If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said. If you read the original posting properly... :-) Wouldn't that make the point and topic of this e-mail off topic? Do you see the part that

RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode

2007-05-29 Thread Mark Hedley
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RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode

2007-05-29 Thread Mark Hedley
Have you tried giving the element a z-index? I used to have similar issues with a menu which displayed over a flash element. Using a z-index solved this. Hope that's useful? Regards, Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Tommee Tippee http://www.tommeetippee.com/ From: [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode

2007-05-29 Thread Ted Drake
John wrote: Hello, Does anyone have any experience dealing with the bug in Firefox that disables mouseover events in Flash when the animation file is placed in an absolutely positioned element and the Wmode parameter of the animation is set to transparent or opaque? I've built a page

RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode

2007-05-29 Thread Mark Hedley
Just set the element with a z-index and the problem will be solved. Cheers, Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: 29 May 2007 19:27 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode John wrote: Hello, Does

Re: [WSG] need help with tabular interface

2007-05-29 Thread Sander Aarts
Nick Fitzsimons schreef: On 29 May 2007, at 02:10:02, Sander Aarts wrote: I'm glad the designers I work with know that rounded corners can be a real pain in the ass, so they always ask before implementing them in the design. I want your designers! ;-) Well, it's only because they know that

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Kevin Ross
My apologies to the group... I was not aware of the CMS list. Is there a way to have the entire post, http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg28689.html ported over to the [WSG-CMS] list? Regards, Kevin. On 5/29/07, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Is it

RE: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Mark Hedley
Where on the site do you sign up for the CMS List? I am also after support from people in this list. Cheers, Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: 29 May 2007 20:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] OT on list My apologies

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Sander Aarts
Nick Fitzsimons schreef: On 29 May 2007, at 16:20:28, Barney Carroll wrote: Would you argue that a discussion of the use of Jaws with Microsoft Excel (which is, judging by the manufacturer's FAQs, one of its commonest uses) is related to Web Standards? No, because MS and Web Standards ar

RE: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Web Dandy Design
Hi Mark, You can sign up for the CMS list by logging into WSG at http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/login_edit.cfm then set your preferences to Full CMS list or CMS list in digest mode. Regards, Elaine http://www.webdandy.co.uk

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Micky Hulse
Mark Hedley wrote: Where on the site do you sign up for the CMS List? I am also after support from people in this list. Yeah, the CMS list is hard to find. I signed-up for it when I signed-up for this list... Other than that, I have not found any reference to the CMS list on the net. I

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Alastair Campbell wrote: On 5/29/07, Rimantas Liubertas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/sgmldecl.html FEATURES, SHORTTAG YES I guess from that I should deduce that I do need to know the SGML spec to know that a slash will terminate a tag? I hope HTML5 does away

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Stuart Foulstone wrote: Assistive technology off topic? Barney Carroll wrote: It's worth making the point: Don't get intimidated by this - JAWS is a perfectly legitimate thing to discuss here. When it's used to access Photoshop - which in my experience doesn't have a whole lot to do with

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Alastair Campbell wrote: On 5/29/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic under discussion is, as I mentioned in my earlier post, mentioned in HTML 4.01 at http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/notes.html#h-B.3.7 as being something with poor support in HTML user agents. Which I

Re: [WSG] OT on list - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2007-05-29 Thread russ - maxdesign
Enough with the discussion on off topic on topic. Causing far to much green house gas emissions. Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] need help with tabular interface

2007-05-29 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Ive been following the sliding doors II article and have it working somewhat well. However I cant see the reason for the 1st set of decendent selectors below. The second set with the anchor tag is used to create the current link state but I dont see what the first set is for. The first

[WSG] WCAG 2.0

2007-05-29 Thread Dejan Kozina
Hi all. This one didn't make it to the Reccomended readings, but it seems well worth to me: http://accessites.org/site/2007/05/wcag2-woeful-to-wonderful-in-one-easy-draft/ djn -- - Dejan Kozina Dolina 346 (TS) - I-34018 Italy tel./fax: +39 040 228 436 - cell.: +39 348 7355 225

FW: RE: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

2007-05-29 Thread marvin hunkin
From: Daniel Longstaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marvin hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:03:13 +0930 Hi Marvin I'm not quite sure if you understand what will be required in these subjects. Photoshop and Flash are only the

RE: [WSG] Site Review (www.richardson.co.nz)

2007-05-29 Thread Snadden Tim
www.richardson.co.nz In Firefox 2/Opera on Windows the lightbox images show 'null' as the caption. All the best. This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy,

Re: FW: RE: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

2007-05-29 Thread Katrina
Subject: FW: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash Flash is currently not accessible to Jaws or any screen readers although there are methods for only sending it to the people who can use it. Rob As far as I understood, the latest version of Adobe Flash *is* accessible to