RE: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Our customer is one of the largest corporations in the world. They have several hundred brands, each of which is valued at upwards of $100M. Most of these brands are many decades old and have historically been advertised in traditional media such as print, TV, billboards etc. Style is everything, p

RE: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Philip Kiff wrote: > If you have enough time to browse the WSG Mailing List [] > then you are probably already at risk of having the > prices for your web design services severely undercut by someone who > is younger and faster, and who places less importance on > "ac

RE: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

James Jeffery wrote: > It is possible to get good Accessibility, Usability and Design, but > usually you have to give and take for each or one of them. > [] > Its not our fault or the clients fault, whatever the > client wants he gets > [...] > The client is the hard part. Sometimes they want s

RE: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

It is scary that people still make the distinction between "design" and "usability/accessibility/fitness for purpose". Design incorporates these things, and if it doesn't then it is indulgence, not design. Cheers, Andrew (working information architect) Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management & T

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

You've got an interesting point, Steve. Transitioning from non-accessible websites to accessible websites seems like it would require some sacrifice in look and feel. In fact, I was prone to thinking the same thing, but check out http://www.zeldman.com. You see that he's using images in the navi

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Hi James, On 14 Aug 2007, at 13:43, James Jeffery wrote: Web Standards, Accessibility and Usability needs to be put right at the top of the list, way before design. Focus on the users and the people, and it will help to create and bring the internet up to a better standard. I agree whol

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Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Why should the client be the hard part of usability or accessibility? As a web designer/developer, its my job to create the accessible version whether they consciously desire it or not simply because I know it should be built that way and it is my desire to build it properly. Its also my job

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Joseph Taylor wrote: Every document should start as a plain, accessible HTML document. That's true -- for *documents*. But many "web sites" these days are *applications*, not collections of static documents. Web applications represent a significantly different design problem, particularly i

RE: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

I would like to agree with you Joe but I currently have a battle with several design agencies who work for a multinational client of ours. Historically they have produced websites that are predominantly Flash-based or sliced and diced from PhotoShop. Our client wants to achieve WCAG AA and the agen

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

I know it seems like im comparing the web to the real world, but nowerdays the web is a part of the real world. If you were to give disabled users second best in the real world and not offer them the same experience and non disabled people i tell you there would be hell breaking loose. Especially h

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

With plain HTML its accessible, if its done correct in the first place. Its the visual design which were talking about. Forcing the user to resize there fonts, or disable CSS or Javascript to be able to read a page is asking a bit to much from them. People are hacking away at there CSS and sometim

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

There's no reason to have to sacrifice on either end of the scale. Every document should start as a plain, accessible HTML document. If the information on the document is well organized and logical, its already usable. At this point, progressive enhancements on all ends can be used to integ

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Exactly the responses i expected. It is possible to get good Accessibility, Usability and Design, but usually you have to give and take for each or one of them. More often then not a website focused on good Accessibility and Usability generally lacks a 'hi-tech' design, not that any of that is a b

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Web Standards, Accessibility and Usability needs to be put right at the top of the list, way before design. I won't argue with that but all of those things are generally a harder sell to a client than the more superficial aspects of a project like the graphic design. -- Tyssen Design www.

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

My general school of thought is that usability is a product of good UI design and accessibility is a product of good coding practice. Of course UI design and coding overlap, in that they both impact both fields, so it is the job of the designer AND front-end developer to make things tick for as man

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Thats an excellent read James, well first my name is MJ I never introduced myself before and just jumped in discussions straight so Hi I am from London and I work at http://www.biginteractive.co.uk/ as a frontend designer. Now back to the matter in hand , this situation is certainly is out of the

[WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Good Evening. Does Or Should Design Out-Weight Usability and/or Accessibility? Ive been faced with a number of situations during development on a number of projects that has forced me make a choice you have all probably had to make Usability/Accessibility over design. I know Usability and Access