Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Microsoft is and has undoubtedly used the coercive power of their market dominance to interfere with OTHER businesses. What you are presenting here is a double standard. You are saying that governments (whose accountability is to the benefit of the public at large) should not be allowed to interfere, while it's perfectly okay for a private organization, (whose accountability is to its shareholders) to interfere with other people's property. For the most part, yes, healthy competition is a good thing, but the system can get sick, and exploitive, and it's precisely that situation that the government exists for to begin with- to protect the interests of the public. And in this case, getting IE to support standards is to the benefit of the public, because Microsoft is certainly impeding progress in this field, much to the detriment of everyone, but to the benefit of its own business. That my friend is private interfering with public, and that's where your free market utopia falls down. On Dec 17, 2007 1:17 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again this isn't about supporting one company over another. It's about using the coercive power of government to control someone elses private property (which is what a business is) I don't like a lot of how MSFT does things. But they don't control the world. Frontpage died while Dreamweaver dominates the web design market. Not every website is developed in Visual Studio, some of us use PHP. Not every email is sent on an exchange server. I use Vista today and believe if MSFT keeps making such bloated OS's someone else will show up one day with a better mousetrap and MSFT will find itself losing market share in that area as well. Ask yourself where have you ever seen government controlled economies beat a free market one. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Christian Montoya wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 8:27 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look how Firefox has grown to 16% of the market. I think that shows how you are not correct. I also suspect that Open Office is going to start challenging Microsoft as well. Especially is MSFT succeeds with establishing good copy protection Didn't OOo file a complaint regarding Microsoft's Open XML format? I know they started a petition because Microsoft bucked their ODT format and came up with their own, which has been rammed through the standards approval process instead of ODT. So even Microsoft plays the standards system, and OOo appeals to the same powers-that-be as Opera. Do you follow the news about the companies you support? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
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Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust ... ADMIN
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[WSG] Styling Submit buttons with JavaScript by making them anchors
Hi, I'm trying to use some code so that submit buttons on a form are (using JavaScript if available) removed and replaced with anchor tags that then have event handlers added to them to submit a form if clicked. The reason for this is that I have some tabs I want to style in a similar way though some are anchors and some are inputs and it means I should be able to style submit buttons in the same way as anchor tags whilst managing to keep the text resizable (as opposed to using an image for the submit button). I have used this before on an implementation without problems but that was finding the only submit button by ID rather than through a list of inputs and my new code seems to have a problem now where only the first input is changed and it doesn't seem to iterate to the second input). A simplified version of the code is below (DOM checks etc removed)... can anyone see what is wrong? I'd love to do it this way as it is nice and unobtrusive and means I can style things whilst keeping them accessible (hopefully). The same code is also online at http://jamestesting.metafaq.com/clients/jamestesting/test.html Many Thanks James !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; lang=en head titleEntry: jamestest2 /title script type=text/javascript function changeInputs(){ // find all uls var uls = document.getElementsByTagName(ul); // break if no uls present if (uls.length 1) return false; // find uls with class = tabNav for (var i=0; iuls.length; i++){ var current_ul = uls[i]; // break iteration of loop if not tabNav class if (current_ul.className != tabNav) continue; // find all inputs inside tabNav class ul var inputs = current_ul.getElementsByTagName(input); // break iteration if no inputs in ul if (inputs.length1) continue; for(var j=0; jinputs.length; j++){ var current_input = inputs[j]; var newa = document.createElement('a'); newa.setAttribute('href','#'); newa.appendChild(document.createTextNode(current_input.getAttribute('val ue'))); current_input.parentNode.insertBefore(newa,current_input); current_input.parentNode.removeChild(current_input); } } return true; } /script /head body onload=changeInputs() form action=# name=testform ul class=tabNav lia href=#Link 1/a/li lia href=#Link 2/a/li /ul div class=contentbox ul class=tabNav liinput type=submit name=test1 value=test1 //li liinput type=submit name=test2 value=test2 //li /ul div class=contentbox pThis is some content/p /div /div /form /body /html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:17 PM, Michael Horowitz wrote: Ask yourself where have you ever seen government controlled economies beat a free market one. This is not about government CONTROL, but government REGULATION. And no they are not the same thing. But this is (supposed to be) a web standards discussion, not a political ideologies discussion... Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling Submit buttons with JavaScript by making them anchors
James, I guess that you have to count down in your for-loop. You modify the DOM while iterating over the nodes, so the model changes while you are working at it. If you start with the last element, you don't mess up the references. for(var j=inputs.length-1; j=0; j--) { ... } regards Martin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling Submit buttons with JavaScript by making them anchors
On Dec 17, 2007 2:28 PM, James Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to use some code so that submit buttons on a form are (using JavaScript if available) removed and replaced with anchor tags that then have event handlers added to them to submit a form if clicked. The reason for this is that I have some tabs I want to style in a similar way though some are anchors and some are inputs and it means I should be able to style submit buttons in the same way as anchor tags whilst managing to keep the text resizable (as opposed to using an image for the submit button). This might be a stupid question, but why can't you just style your form submit buttons to look like links using CSS? button { border: 0; background: none; text-decoration: underline; color: #006; cursor: pointer; } Your button looks and acts (almost) exactly like a regular link. - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Styling Submit buttons with JavaScript by making them anchors FIXED
I guess that you have to count down in your for-loop. You modify the DOM while iterating over the nodes, so the model changes while you are working at it. If you start with the last element, you don't mess up the references. for(var j=inputs.length-1; j=0; j--) { ... } -- Thanks so much Martin, that works perfectly (and makes sense) James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling Submit buttons with JavaScript by making them anchors
Quoting Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This might be a stupid question, but why can't you just style your form submit buttons to look like links using CSS? button { border: 0; background: none; text-decoration: underline; color: #006; cursor: pointer; } I was going to suggest that as well, but then I seemed to remember that old(er) versions of Safari don't allow for such radical form widget styling. Also, underline (if needed) doesn't seem to work consistently (at least in Firefox). P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:18 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part Ask yourself where have you ever seen government controlled economies beat a free market one. Michael Horowitz China? To over-simplify things dramatically, all Communist countries have come into being as a result of gross mis-management by the previous administrations. In the vast majority of cases, the communist regime has turned out to be as corrupt as before, and have given no chance for the economy to flourish. Whether or not that is an inevitable consequence is way off-topic, but is certainly not a valid defence for democratic governments to do nothing. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] BBC in Beta
Heads up, the BBC has a new site in Beta. http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta Thoughts/praise/comments :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
Hi there, What file comparison tool would you recommend for Dreamweaver CS3? http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/9.0/help.html?content=WSc78c5058ca073340dcda9110b1f693f21-7edc.htmlstates: Before you start, you must install a third-party file comparison tool on your system. For more information on file comparison tools, use a web search engine such as Google Search to search for file comparison or diff tools. Dreamweaver works with most third-party tools. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
I use beyond compare, but im not sure it works within dreamweaver. When I used dreamweaver I used to have Beyond compare open in another window and when I made changes in one and saved them the other programme noticed this and prompted me if I wanted to load the changes or not. Its a nice little programme which is quite feature rich. Paul Simon Cockayne wrote: Hi there, What file comparison tool would you recommend for Dreamweaver CS3? http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/9.0/help.html?content=WSc78c5058ca073340dcda9110b1f693f21-7edc.html http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/9.0/help.html?content=WSc78c5058ca073340dcda9110b1f693f21-7edc.html states: Before you start, you must install a third-party file comparison tool on your system. For more information on file comparison tools, use a web search engine such as Google Search to search for file comparison or diff tools. Dreamweaver works with most third-party tools. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
Assuming you mean on Windows, I've used WinDiff in the past and was reasonably happy with it (though purely to get an at a glance comparison, not to actually do any further processing of compared files - it doesn't seem to like UTF-8, for a start...) P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cockayne Sent: 17 December 2007 15:38 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3 Hi there, What file comparison tool would you recommend for Dreamweaver CS3? http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/9.0/help.html?content=WSc78c5058ca073340dcda9110b1f693f21-7edc.html states: Before you start, you must install a third-party file comparison tool on your system. For more information on file comparison tools, use a web search engine such as Google Search to search for file comparison or diff tools. Dreamweaver works with most third-party tools. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
I've used this one with great success: Beyond Compare - http://www.scootersoftware.com/ On Dec 17, 2007 8:38 AM, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, What file comparison tool would you recommend for Dreamweaver CS3? http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/9.0/help.html?content=WSc78c5058ca073340dcda9110b1f693f21-7edc.html states: Before you start, you must install a third-party file comparison tool on your system. For more information on file comparison tools, use a web search engine such as Google Search to search for file comparison or diff tools. Dreamweaver works with most third-party tools. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Frederick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
Have you looked at UltraCompare, a close cousin of the excellent UltraEdit ? Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
I've used ViseVersa Pro (http://www.tgrmn.com/) with out a problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
That's true. It does not work within Dreamweaver. I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything that does for sure. On Dec 17, 2007 9:00 AM, Paul McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use beyond compare, but im not sure it works within dreamweaver. When I used dreamweaver I used to have Beyond compare open in another window and when I made changes in one and saved them the other programme noticed this and prompted me if I wanted to load the changes or not. Its a nice little programme which is quite feature rich. Paul Simon Cockayne wrote: Hi there, What file comparison tool would you recommend for Dreamweaver CS3? http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/9.0/help.html?content=WSc78c5058ca073340dcda9110b1f693f21-7edc.html states: Before you start, you must install a third-party file comparison tool on your system. For more information on file comparison tools, use a web search engine such as Google Search to search for file comparison or diff tools. Dreamweaver works with most third-party tools. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Frederick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
On 2007/12/17 15:30 (GMT) Paul McCann apparently typed: Heads up, the BBC has a new site in Beta. http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta Thoughts/praise/comments :) I guess they discovered 800x600 is an anachronism, so made it wider. Still objects are sized in px, so with fonts forced big enough to read at high resolution, line lengths are too short and/or overlap and/or extend beyond containers. CSS hard to evaluate, with no line feeds in the whole file. It has display options, but that needs work. And, it's another Clagnut type, suffering the usual effects when viewed with user stylesheet or minimum font size employed in Gecko. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/Clagnut/eonsSS Overall, better, but, worse than good. -- Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
I second or third beyond compare.. we use it, great little tool, integrates into the right click menu.. pretty neat On Dec 17, 2007 10:04 AM, Frederick Matzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used this one with great success: Beyond Compare - http://www.scootersoftware.com/ On Dec 17, 2007 8:38 AM, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, What file comparison tool would you recommend for Dreamweaver CS3? http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/9.0/help.html?content=WSc78c5058ca073340dcda9110b1f693f21-7edc.html states: Before you start, you must install a third-party file comparison tool on your system. For more information on file comparison tools, use a web search engine such as Google Search to search for file comparison or diff tools. Dreamweaver works with most third-party tools. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Frederick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:38:07 +, Simon Cockayne wrote: Hi there, What file comparison tool would you recommend for Dreamweaver CS3? Odd. I'm surprised DW does *not* have a file compare capability. I have used text editors for decades, but have not used DW much. All text editors I ever used had file comparison built in.(?) Currently I am using TextPad (ww.textpad.com) as my Windows based editor. Even better options are available on other platforms. TextPad can compare files. It also has good support for UTF-8, its only weakness due to the need to display the characters using the Windows encoding. More a limitation of Windows than the editor, I believe. Perhaps that will fill the bill? They let you try it out for almost as long as you want. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Styling Submit buttons with JavaScript by making them anchors
This might be a stupid question, but why can't you just style your form submit buttons to look like links using CSS? - Primarily because some browsers don't support styling of inputs very well, but also because I need to add a span in for styling the links/inputs as tabs. If I do this in a browser that doesn't support styling of inputs (Safari for example) then I end up with the span still displaying the left edge of the tab and then a normal submit button. I also don't want to use the Button tag due to its incorrect behaviour in IE (http://www.peterbe.com/plog/button-tag-in-IE) Whilst this method is relatively long winded, it delivers the result I want across our supported browsers effectively and degrades to an acceptable form in the absence of JavaScript (inputs displayed instead of tabs) Hope that makes some sense of my madness *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
Sorry if this has been mentioned already... But BBedit is really good for file comparison (unfortunately, Mac Only). http://www.barebones.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Felix Miata wrote: On 2007/12/17 15:30 (GMT) Paul McCann apparently typed: Heads up, the BBC has a new site in Beta. http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta Thoughts/praise/comments :) snip usual font stuff /snip Overall, better, but, worse than good. Oh come on, let's not be so blinkered that we can't appreciate really good work in most areas! I think it's a great homepage. - The information architecture looks good. Directory options at the bottom are a nice feature. - The Customise homepage feature looks easy and understandable - I love how they've borrowed the NetVibes things of allowing people to move content blocks around the page - I'm not a huge fan of the colours, but it's not overwhelming and easy to orientate yourself on the page - It's an interesting pared-down no-frills visual look - The markup looks reasonably good - Seems to work with javascript disabled Well done I say. And streets ahead of comparable websites in NZ (and I'd wager elsewhere in the world): http://tvnz.co.nz/ http://www.tv3.co.nz/ http://www.sky.co.nz/ Although not Radio NZ which is great: http://www.radionz.co.nz/ Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
Hi, On Dec 18, 2007 3:44 AM, Frederick Matzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true. It does not work within Dreamweaver. I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything that does for sure. I'm using Beyond Compare quite happily with Dreamweaver CS3. Works fine for me (selecting two local documents and hitting compare fires up BC in comparison mode). -- MySource Matrix Product Evangelist Sydney / Melbourne / Canberra / Hobart / London / 2/340 Gore Street T: 1 3000 SQUIZ (77849) Fitzroy, VIC T: +61 (0) 3 9235 5400 3065 F: +61 (0) 3 9235 5444 W: http://www.squiz.net/ . Open Source - Own it - Squiz.net ./ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Oh come on, let's not be so blinkered that we can't appreciate really good work in most areas! Felix isn't the only one who has a number of issues with the new design and for entirely different reasons - http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/bbc_homepage_redesign/ I'd have to agree with Mark that the changing of the pages' colour scheme when you click on the coloured rectangles under the main picture is just weird. What's it meant to signify? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Mike Brown wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta Thoughts/praise/comments :) Overall, better, but, worse than good. Oh come on, let's not be so blinkered that we can't appreciate really good work in most areas! Since the example comes out like this... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/bbc-beta.png ...in IE7, Firefox and Opera - and a bit worse in IE6, when subjected to regular, built-in, user-options, it has to be classified as less than good at this stage. The example is clearly in need of more testing and work if it is to pass BBC's own My web My Way advice... http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/index.shtml ...somewhat intact, and the weakness doesn't go away by snipping comments about it. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Positives: - Theres some clever use of Javascript in there that enables some interesting user interface elements. - In case you missed it, you can drag and drop parts of the page, similar to Yahoo and Googles efforts - although they could have gone some way to making it a bit more obvious. - Another feature I really like is the ability to increase/decrease the number of news stories with the +/- buttons next to the country name. SImilar with the Sports widget. - Customizable interfaces may seem a little gimmicky, but for pages that you visit on a daily basis, they allow people to reduce the 'noise' and increase exposure to content that interests them. - Code is semantic ,gone are the tables for layout, and there are tons of hidden headings and other goodies for screen readers. - Like the use of bold headings and overall larger font sizes compared to previous versions. Negatives: - Messy CSS and Javascript first in source order. - Bit follow the leader (see John Faulds post for link in this thread), but frankly why shouldn't the BBC move with the times. - Agree with Mark Boulton on the Weather icons, the Sunny one is just shocking! - The colour change thing is okay, but I think the colours are a little too light in spots (especially with white text on top). Perhaps its just my LCD... Karl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***